3rdnlng Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 44 minutes ago, GG said: Perhaps that's why Jared & Lighthizer have been at the tip of the negotiations to ensure that it isn't simply a money dump. In any event, you can't expect instant results, but if you offer the carrot and stick of investing in Central America and force them to change laws which allow those business investments to thrive, then you start chipping away at the problem. That is far more effective than trying to police a 5,000 mile borderline. I'm still of the opinion that the catalyst of change really has to come from the people of the country. We spilt our blood and paid the dues to form this country. We earned it. They'll never get better than what they now have if they don't earn it themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: I'm still of the opinion that the catalyst of change really has to come from the people of the country. We spilt our blood and paid the dues to form this country. We earned it. They'll never get better than what they now have if they don't earn it themselves. The Central American countries have been in a perpetual civil war for the last 2 generations and you think more bloodshed is the cure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 2 hours ago, row_33 said: still in the ignore pile Q stands for what? You talkin’ to me jive turkey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, GG said: Perhaps that's why Jared & Lighthizer have been at the tip of the negotiations to ensure that it isn't simply a money dump. In any event, you can't expect instant results, but if you offer the carrot and stick of investing in Central America and force them to change laws which allow those business investments to thrive, then you start chipping away at the problem. That is far more effective than trying to police a 5,000 mile borderline. Mexico and Central America have missed giant economic opportunities. Those countries have low cost labor and the largest marketplace in their backyard (the U.S.) and while some manufacturing and exports have resulted, they could have been like China in terms of growing a manufacturing economy. In addition they are full of natural resources yet haven't capitalized on that to the extent they could. These are cultures of corrupt leadership which is very hard to change. To your point though, we should be working better with them. Edited May 31, 2019 by keepthefaith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Mexico and Central America have missed giant economic opportunities. Those countries have low cost labor and the largest marketplace in their backyard (the U.S.) and while some manufacturing and exports have resulted, they could have been like China in terms of growing a manufacturing economy. In addition they are full of natural resources yet haven't capitalized on that to the extent they could. These are cultures of corrupt leadership which is very hard to change. To your point though, we should be working better with them. You're preaching to the choir. The corruption is almost codified into national laws. There was hope that NAFTA would provide a spark in Mexico to liberalize their markets, but it was very slow because they still put big guards around foreign ownership. The ultimate promise never came fast, but has trickled in over the various administrations. who knows, maybe AMLO will be the catalyst to break up the family business cartels, but hopefully he will open up the country for more investment and not renationalize. So far, he's been talking the right tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 "America is for migrants" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 37 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: "America is for migrants" Sorry amigo. No comprende. Donde esta tu tarjeta verde? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 16 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Sorry amigo. No comprende. Donde esta tu tarjeta verde? Google translate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 No justice no peace! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Could go in the media thread too -- but considering this is hitting right as he's going to London... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Wow, that's mean. Accurate and funny, but mean. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Could go in the media thread too -- but considering this is hitting right as he's going to London... Link to CNN saying he said she was nasty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: When are we going to see some charges against these people? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 6 hours ago, OJ Tom said: When are we going to see some charges against these people? Gotta be soon. Otherwise the window closes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 6 hours ago, OJ Tom said: When are we going to see some charges against these people? The twelfth. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Either Guaido has been rendered irrelevant, or Maduro did something to piss Putin off... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 On 6/1/2019 at 5:15 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Will you look at that? One Muslim helping out another. Whodathunk it. Deport him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 ODS... Obama Derangement Syndrome Obama Bad® Just like the Communists on the Right... Gotta keep constant "revolution." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: ODS... Obama Derangement Syndrome Obama Bad® Just like the Communists on the Right... Gotta keep constant "revolution." Saved for posterity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 44 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Saved for posterity. My bad, National Socialists. Hitler was on Stalin's Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, McGee Return TD said: So many in Congress arrive with little or no money, and walk out 20 years later multimillionaires on a salary of (now) $174K a year. Exactly how do they do it? Cabinet members are chosen for connections; political and corporate. Should they be? Some would argue nope, others would say "of course, those connections are valuable". Would someone serve in a Cabinet if not for the "benefits"? Should someone serve in a cabinet if they are serving for "benefits" and taking advantage of government connections? Anyhooooo this trip was cancelled. As in it did not take place. So, she was wrong to not have the meeting? I am confused here. If it didn't happen, why is it a story? If she has no affiliation or stake in the family's company, why is this an issue? The argument could be made that she is in an ideal situation to "rescue" the US shipping industry knowing what she does about the Chinese shipping industry. Anything can be painted as nefarious, regardless of how innocent it really is. Ms. Chao could end up being evil personified, or the savior of the US shipping industry. Or, this could be another NYT hit-job. Only time will tell. Edited June 3, 2019 by Buffalo_Gal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: So many in Congress arrive with little or no money, and walk out 20 years later multimillionaires on a salary of (now) $174K a year. Exactly how do they do it? Cabinet members are chosen for connections; political and corporate. Should they be? Some would argue nope, others would say "of course, those connections are valuable". Would someone serve in a Cabinet if not for the "benefits"? Should someone serve in a cabinet if they are serving for "benefits" and taking advantage of government connections? Anyhooooo this trip was cancelled. As in it did not take place. So, she was wrong to not have the meeting? I am confused here. If it didn't happen, why is it a story? If she has no affiliation or stake in the family's company, was is this an issue? The argument could be made that she is in an ideal situation to "rescue" the US shipping industry knowing what she does about the Chinese shipping industry. Anything can be painted as nefarious, regardless of how innocent it really is. Ms. Chao could end up being evil personified, or the savior of the US shipping industry. Or, this could be another NYT hit-job. Only time will tell. Math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 On 6/1/2019 at 12:01 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Could go in the media thread too -- but considering this is hitting right as he's going to London... "I didn't know that she was nasty." That seems to me that he called her nasty. What am I missing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 34 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: "I didn't know that she was nasty." That seems to me that he called her nasty. What am I missing? He didn't know she would say nasty things about people. IOW she was nasty to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: He didn't know she would say nasty things about people. IOW she was nasty to him. Funny how the left suddenly has no concept of how the English language works whenever Trump says something they can pull out of context. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 59 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: "I didn't know that she was nasty." That seems to me that he called her nasty. What am I missing? Context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 21 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: He didn't know she would say nasty things about people. IOW she was nasty to him. The report is still accurate. The Trump official war room can say his statement was taken out of context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: Will you look at that? One Muslim helping out another. Whodathunk it. Deport him. If true that news report, it's outrageous. Edited June 3, 2019 by keepthefaith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Koko78 said: Funny how the left suddenly has no concept of how the English language works whenever Trump says something they can pull out of context. Oh come on man. Taking things out of context shows no political stripe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) On 6/1/2019 at 5:15 PM, Deranged Rhino said: oh my lord DR, please tell me you are not trusting one scintilla of anything in this "report." " Listen to this again and then ask In a shocking report from whom????? Kerrys deep ties are known..wtf does that mean..thet he has spent countless hours in negotiations with them? I guess Trump's deep ties to North Korea are known. The same act Flynn was spied upon...umm dude plead guilty..he was not spied upon. they were photographed" and then show some picture of Kerry from like 8 years ago. This is just such a joke, honestly, anyone who buys this ar face value scares the hell out of me as someone you say you despise..a non-thnking partisan hack who can only see one side of an argument. That is the jokiest of joke "reporting" i have ever seen 6 hours ago, Koko78 said: Funny how the left suddenly has no concept of how the English language works whenever Trump says something they can pull out of context. what did they pull out of context? Please give context and full explanation then. More just locker room talk I guess? I mean who cares, but to say its pulled out of context is just not accurate...its on freaking tape. Edited June 3, 2019 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Maybe it's just me, but I don't get what the fascination with Megan Markle is. Yeah she's kinda hot, but there's plenty of hot women out there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabrecrazed Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, /dev/null said: Maybe it's just me, but I don't get what the fascination with Megan Markle is. Yeah she's kinda hot, but there's plenty of hot women out there Race Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 hour ago, sabrecrazed said: Race what????? do explain please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 1 hour ago, /dev/null said: Maybe it's just me, but I don't get what the fascination with Megan Markle is. Yeah she's kinda hot, but there's plenty of hot women out there Princess Sparkles? Gee why ever wouldn't someone be simply fascinated with her? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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