Tiberius Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Iran retaliating, perhaps, against the sanctions against their economy put on by Trump. Burning tankers in the Gulf and Straights! Trump's foreign policy leading us to war? He doesn't have a clue about what he is doing. And yet...Obama's greatness still resonates. Quote According to the U.N. nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, Iran remains in compliance with the 2015 agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 51 minutes ago, B-Man said: All too believable............. . This reminds me of a Carly Simon song titled (I think) "The World Turned Upside Down". For anyone to think that Iran is the good guy here, they're crazy. Iran is being taken to task because of their misdeeds and promotion of terrorism, in addition to their nuclear program. Iran is pushing the envelope right now and they need to see that we will make them pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 1 hour ago, B-Man said: All too believable............. . "BREAKING NEWS: Pearl Harbor attacked, because Roosevelt failed to heed the French Indochina warning and imposed more sanctions on Japan." There were people who honestly believed that, too...and still do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 (edited) The briefing, which places the blame at Iran's feet: Edited June 13, 2019 by Hedge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Hedge said: The briefing, which places the blame at Iran's feet: is it just the inherent distrust in me of the elite that thinks a false flag is a possibility here? used as rational to go after all those WMD's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Hedge said: The briefing, which places the blame at Iran's feet: Awfully light on "specifics." Literally, no more evidence than "because we said so." Doesn't mean the statement was wrong...just that it was empty. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 31 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Awfully light on "specifics." Literally, no more evidence than "because we said so." Doesn't mean the statement was wrong...just that it was empty. Or intentionally bland in order to hide methods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Or intentionally bland in order to hide methods. Probably. Still doesn't change anything I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: Probably. Still doesn't change anything I said. My gut feeling is it's getting time to get very tough with Iran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: My gut feeling is it's getting time to get very tough with Iran. My gut feeling is that your gut's an idiot...because when has that NOT been your gut feeling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Just now, DC Tom said: My gut feeling is that your gut's an idiot...because when has that NOT been your gut feeling? Often. Like many in the ME subtlety doesn't work very well. They respect strength if they feel you have the balls to use it. Our tepid foreign policy over the last few decades casts doubt on our determination in dealing with them. They need to be convinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: My gut feeling is it's getting time to get very tough with Iran. https://twitter.com/RadGeekpartduex/status/1139252316211539968 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Foxx said: is it just the inherent distrust in me of the elite that thinks a false flag is a possibility here? used as rational to go after all those WMD's? If you are distrustful, think about people that already distrust this administration and their constant lies. Never has there been an administration with less credibility than this one. Way less than the WMD crowd even had. They are seriously in Baghdad Bob territory, and you guys have been able laugh off all these lies and wink and say, "Well, he's really pissing off the Libs with the lies, so it's ok" Now we have serious situation and our friggin government has zero credibility. Why would anyone believe anything this Trump crowd had to say. Would you trust them with your sons life? 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: Often. Like many in the ME subtlety doesn't work very well. They respect strength if they feel you have the balls to use it. Our tepid foreign policy over the last few decades casts doubt on our determination in dealing with them. They need to be convinced. So you were with Hillary on the Iraq War thing, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 If it is Iran behind the tanker attacks, I wonder if it's a ploy to goad the US or KSA into a limited military response, so that they can rally their people around the flag against the Great Satan, and convince them to forget about overthrowing the mullahs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, Tiberius said: If you are distrustful, think about people that already distrust this administration and their constant lies. Never has there been an administration with less credibility than this one. Way less than the WMD crowd even had. They are seriously in Baghdad Bob territory, and you guys have been able laugh off all these lies and wink and say, "Well, he's really pissing off the Libs with the lies, so it's ok" Now we have serious situation and our friggin government has zero credibility. Why would anyone believe anything this Trump crowd had to say. Would you trust them with your sons life? So you were with Hillary on the Iraq War thing, huh? I don't know if I can simplify a response enough for you but I'll try. Foreign policy needs a steady and resolute hand. You don't draw red lines in the sand and then not follow through. We are fortunate to be big and powerful enough that we have other options than just going to war with a country like Iran. Our energy reserves allow us to be independent in a way that most other countries cannot. That along with our large markets allow us to use sanctions and convince others to go along with them. Iran has no other choice than to eventually bend to our will. They can try going to war with us but we know how that would work out. This nonsense of using their proxys to attack shipping, etc. needs to be dealt with in a swift and crushing way. They need to know that if they attack a tanker again they're going to lose a refinery or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Koko78 said: If it is Iran behind the tanker attacks, I wonder if it's a ploy to goad the US or KSA into a limited military response, so that they can rally their people around the flag against the Great Satan, and convince them to forget about overthrowing the mullahs. I think the general populace in Iran is more sophisticated than some of the other countries there and wouldn't fall for that. Sanctions are killing them. That's why they are acting up and that's why we need to keep them going until we eliminate their nuclear ambitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, Tiberius said: If you are distrustful, think about people that already distrust this administration and their constant lies. Never has there been an administration with less credibility than this one. Way less than the WMD crowd even had. They are seriously in Baghdad Bob territory, and you guys have been able laugh off all these lies and wink and say, "Well, he's really pissing off the Libs with the lies, so it's ok" Now we have serious situation and our friggin government has zero credibility. Why would anyone believe anything this Trump crowd had to say. Would you trust them with your sons life? ... are you interested in having an honest discussion here or are you going to do nothing more than throw old outdated talking points at me? i am not interested in the latter, by any means. i don't trust the elected elite in any way, shape or form. they do not have my, nor your best interests at heart and they haven't for quite some time. they are more consumed with their own vested interests and implementing the desired agenda of the hidden hand. we are nothing more than chattel to them and we only exist to serve them. so if it is a choice between Trump and the life long corruption of the swamp, i will gladly take my chances with Trump. at least he does things that are giving me a glimmer of hope that we can correct the wrong road we are on. Edited June 14, 2019 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, Foxx said: are you interested in having an honest discussion here or are you going to do nothing more than throw old outdated talking points at me? Have you not interacted with Tibs before? 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 I have zero respect for Wesley Clark. That’s even less than I have for George McClellan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Koko78 said: If it is Iran behind the tanker attacks, I wonder if it's a ploy to goad the US or KSA into a limited military response, so that they can rally their people around the flag against the Great Satan, and convince them to forget about overthrowing the mullahs. More likely a plan by neocons in the US. Donald has done a good job keeping us out of wars. Can't have that! It's been a few years since we have had a major altercation with another country! Roll out the false flag. Again. Seems even Trump can't keep evil at bay for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, Dante said: More likely a plan by neocons in the US. Donald has done a good job keeping us out of wars. Can't have that! It's been a few years since we have had a major altercation with another country! Roll out the false flag. Again. Seems even Trump can't keep evil at bay for long. Our best chance of staying out of a war may be a swift response to Iran's transgressions. A weak response will only embolden Iran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Our best chance of staying out of a war may be a swift response to Iran's transgressions. A weak response will only embolden Iran. Only if you believe it's all legit I suppose. Personally I don't but that's just me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 5 hours ago, Foxx said: is it just the inherent distrust in me of the elite that thinks a false flag is a possibility here? used as rational to go after all those WMD's? Remember the Kokuka Courageous!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Dante said: Only if you believe it's all legit I suppose. Personally I don't but that's just me. Who do you think is behind this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Just now, 3rdnlng said: Who do you think is behind this? States or Israel if it is fake. Seems like certain elements have been banging the drums to go after Iran forever. Not sure why Iran would be so dumb to sink a couple tankers. Just doesn't make sense. I know I could be wrong but I just don't buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Dante said: States or Israel if it is fake. Seems like certain elements have been banging the drums to go after Iran forever. Not sure why Iran would be so dumb to sink a couple tankers. Just doesn't make sense. I know I could be wrong but I just don't buy it. Iran has done it in the past. I don't think even the Mullahs are dumb enough to go to total war with us. If they do another tanker I'm willing to bet we take out some of their facilities like radar or missile defense and then maybe a refinery. Look at what Trump has done with ROE since becoming president. He made it possible for our troops to fight and win. He won't handcuff our military and Iran will be worse off for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Dante said: States or Israel if it is fake. Seems like certain elements have been banging the drums to go after Iran forever. Not sure why Iran would be so dumb to sink a couple tankers. Just doesn't make sense. I know I could be wrong but I just don't buy it. You have to keep in mind that they're getting desperate. The Iranian economy is collapsing, there have been widely unreported protests going on for months (with members of their goon squads turning sides and joining the protesters), apparently they can't afford to pay the Revolutionary Guard anymore (causing significant desertions/defections). What course of action do they have - that doesn't involve caving to Trump's demands - that would put their internal struggles on the back burner? Using proxies (allowing regime deniability) to goad a foreign power into conducing a limited military strike is a perfect fit. On top of that, causing problems in the gulf by attacking tankers spikes oil prices and de-legitimizes their enemies' (USA/KSA/Gulf States) abilities to say they can protect shipping. I also doubt that it's a coincidence that the tankers attacked were heading to Japan, the day Abe left Iran to return home. Edited June 14, 2019 by Koko78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 24 minutes ago, Dante said: States or Israel if it is fake. Seems like certain elements have been banging the drums to go after Iran forever. Not sure why Iran would be so dumb to sink a couple tankers. Just doesn't make sense. I know I could be wrong but I just don't buy it. It also wouldn't surprise me if it was actual Iranian elements/proxies going rogue, not sanctioned by the actual government. Given how the financial coffers are starting to dry up, there are certain factions which may be starting to play things a bit looser. The actual goal could even be to make sure their own funding doesn't dry up and this is a negotiating tactic being employed against their own side to keep the money flowing to them. Just a thought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 35 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Iran has done it in the past. I don't think even the Mullahs are dumb enough to go to total war with us. If they do another tanker I'm willing to bet we take out some of their facilities like radar or missile defense and then maybe a refinery. Look at what Trump has done with ROE since becoming president. He made it possible for our troops to fight and win. He won't handcuff our military and Iran will be worse off for it. You think if they were to do something it would be over here. Some sort of terrorist thing. There are a lot of Iranians here. Not to say as a whole they are bad. Just that it would make it a lot easier to have agents mixed in. 15 minutes ago, Hedge said: It also wouldn't surprise me if it was actual Iranian elements/proxies going rogue, not sanctioned by the actual government. Given how the financial coffers are starting to dry up, there are certain factions which may be starting to play things a bit looser. The actual goal could even be to make sure their own funding doesn't dry up and this is a negotiating tactic being employed against their own side to keep the money flowing to them. Just a thought. Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Quote A short video released late Thursday night by U.S. Central Command shows the crew of an Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps patrol boat removing an unexploded limpet mine from a tanker that sustained damage in a suspected attack earlier in the day, officials said. Sounds like the naval warfare equivalent of BleachBit'ing a server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 10 hours ago, Koko78 said: Have you not interacted with Tibs before? i can't help it. i like Tibs and see where he wants to believe but the NLP has him so engrained in TDS that it is hard to pull the claws out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 https://twitter.com/miavendetta10/status/1139296458476261378 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 1. NOT SO FAST Japanese Oil Tanker Owner Says U.S. Is Wrong About Gulf Attack Barbie Latza Nadeau Correspondent-At-Large Updated 06.14.19 7:15AM ET / Published 06.14.19 6:21AM ET Yukaka Katada, the owner of one of the stricken oil tankers crippled in explosions in the Gulf of Oman on Thursday, says the U.S. is wrong about the way the attack was carried out. Speaking at a press conference in Tokyo on Friday, he contradicted Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and the U.S. Navy, which released a video that purports to show an Iranian patrol boat removing a limpet mine from the port side of the Kokuka Courageous. Katada said his ship was attacked on the starboard side by a flying object, not by a mine. “It seems that something flew towards them. That created the hole, is the report I’ve received,” Katada said, according to the Financial Times. “It seems there was a high chance they were attacked by a flying object. The impact was well above the water. I don’t think it was a torpedo.” The Japanese ship owner did not say who might be responsible for the attack. Iran has vehemently denied it was involved. READ IT AT FINANCIAL TIMES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Bolton & Pompeo are trying to goad Trump into war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Omri Ceren @omriceren 19m19 minutes ago Iran Foreign Minister: there's no evidence! US journalists: there's no evidence! US think tankers: there's no evidence! US military: here's a video of an IRGC Gashti Class patrol boat secretly approaching the M/T Kokuka Courageous and removing unexploded magnetic mine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 13 hours ago, Dante said: States or Israel if it is fake. Seems like certain elements have been banging the drums to go after Iran forever. Not sure why Iran would be so dumb to sink a couple tankers. Just doesn't make sense. I know I could be wrong but I just don't buy it. Saudi Arabia maybe. Or it could possibly be rogue elements in Iran itself acting on their own. Who knows 21 minutes ago, B-Man said: Omri Ceren @omriceren 19m19 minutes ago Iran Foreign Minister: there's no evidence! US journalists: there's no evidence! US think tankers: there's no evidence! US military: here's a video of an IRGC Gashti Class patrol boat secretly approaching the M/T Kokuka Courageous and removing unexploded magnetic mine. The video really could be anything. Secretly removing a mine? Well, not secretly. The video might be genuine or pure bull puss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Saudi Arabia maybe. Or it could possibly be rogue elements in Iran itself acting on their own. Who knows The video really could be anything. Secretly removing a mine? Well, not secretly. The video might be genuine or pure bull puss That video was taken at night, you Highest Knight of The Dumbshit order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 20 hours ago, Dante said: States or Israel if it is fake. Seems like certain elements have been banging the drums to go after Iran forever. Not sure why Iran would be so dumb to sink a couple tankers. Just doesn't make sense. I know I could be wrong but I just don't buy it. WhEN iN dOuBt BlAmE j00s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Hedge said: That's hilarious. Right, @Tiberius? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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