Interesting stat just presented on WGR

[Reks Ryan]

I think 3rd down conversion is something that definitely needs improvement and it will automatically improve other areas.

 

As for the total drives, are we so low bc the opposing team sustains their drives on us and we dont get the ball back as often as other teams? Is that what that # entails?

 

Yes the Bills are 22nd in 3rd down defense allowing over 42% of the time. And it sure seems like most of those are 3rd and 6 or more. The inability for the D to get off the field has been worse than the Offense's difficulty sustaining drives. BTW Miami is 1st in 3rd down D only allowing 33% and Oakland is 4th @ 35%.

[Big Turk]

What concerns me about this chart (it's sortable) is Tyrod's 11 TD passes.

 

I respect that he's done well with not turning the ball over. I'm not bashing him. But when "protecting the ball" becomes your claim to fame, there simply has to be more to it.

Tyrod has the same numbers as Wilson does in Seattle...11 TDs and 4 INTs...why isn't he getting bashed? Cause his defense bails him out all the time when he puts up crap numbers? Edited November 28, 2016 by matter2003

[section122]

Tyrod has the same numbers as Wilson does in Seattle...11 TDs and 4 INTs...why isn't he getting bashed? Cause his defense bails him out all the time when he puts up crap numbers?

I've done it myself but people should compare the start of Wilson's career with the start of tyrods. They are very similar. I think most if not all would be very happy to have Wilson starting for the Bills.

[fansince88]

What concerns me about this chart (it's sortable) is Tyrod's 11 TD passes.

 

I respect that he's done well with not turning the ball over. I'm not bashing him. But when "protecting the ball" becomes your claim to fame, there simply has to be more to it.

 

 

15 Russell Wilson SEA 11 4 7 2.8

16 Tyrod Taylor BUF 11 4 7 2.8

Interesting stats.......Pretty comparable one is a SB champ and on is aspiring to be. Not that any of this means anything but I think you would have given up on Russell Wilson. Just saying. LGM and LGB!

Edited November 29, 2016 by fansince88

[Mango]

 

Adding in rushing TDs he is 4:1 tds to ints. That is something special.

 

I knew the stat posted by jtsp was wrong but it still piqued my interest to do some digging.

 

Tyrod is 23rd in the league in passing tds. Tied with "elite" Joe Flacco.

 

Tyrod is 38th in passing attempts per game. 33rd if you limit it to 200+ passes.

 

Tyrod is 15th in the league in rushing tds. More than Todd Gurley and Leveon Bell.

 

Tyrod is 32nd in Rushing yards per game if you limit it to 70+ rushes or 37th if you don't.

If you're going to do it for TT, make sure you add Dak, Newton, Rogers, Dalton, Smith,Bree's, Flacco, and Mariotta. About half of those are already ahead of TT. You can't add to one and not the group.

[NoSaint]

Tyrod has the same numbers as Wilson does in Seattle...11 TDs and 4 INTs...why isn't he getting bashed? Cause his defense bails him out all the time when he puts up crap numbers?

Because people are saying "wow that normally pretty good qb with a track record of better play is being hobbled by injury but they are still winning" instead of "that qb that runs hot and cold and has known deficiencies is suffering from not being able to overcome said deficiencies"

[Samwell Tarly]

 

I've tried to hate him. I just can't.

It's easier than you think. Let the hate flow through you..

[Big Turk]

There's a middle-ground. I don't believe if this team has Marcus Mariota under center, we only call 17 pass plays per game. Maybe we call only 24-26, but there's no way we take the ball out of his hands for quarters of a game. Not to mention it's a chicken and egg scenario. Are we super run dominant because we are deficient at QB and it's worked out for us? Or it's worked and in reality TT can actually shine as a passer? I tend to the former. A different game, but Michigan didn't run the offense they did with Denard Robinson just because they scored a lot.

 

To your question, no. Because that stat doesn't tell the whole story. EJ put us in the top 5 for scoring over the two weeks he played last season and you'd "expect" us to have been in a winning team if that was the only stat you got. When you throw the rest of the stats in the pot, as well as what you see with your eyes, we're right were I expected to be. Some games where we hit a bunch of HR's and blow teams out. Other games where we sputter for 3Q's and our defense dies on the field. And right around .500.

Except we aren't talking about 2 weeks,we are talking about 25 weeks and the numbers are similar from last year to this year...

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

So as has been pointed out the data for this list was completely wrong as there are really only 12 QB's with a TD/Int of greater than 3.0 and TT is #17. Looking at that list, if you were to ask 100 people to name the top three QB's over the past say five years, likely the names of Beg Ben, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers would be on everyone's list. So if anything when looking at those names, that tells me not turning over the ball absolutely IS an indicator of a top QB. Not saying TT is anywhere near those names, but when you add in that the Bills are one of the top scoring teams over the past two seasons, that does start to say, maybe TT isn't nearly as bad as some are making him out to be. If anything the Bills are losing games due to poor defensive play as they are scoring enough points for most teams to win with.

 

I'm, no TT lover, if the Bills could find a better QB I'm all for it, but doubt that is going to happen as there just aren't enough to go around. But do find it kind of funny in that the purpose of this thread was to point out how bad TT is, but if anything this data shows he really is something special and likely needs to be kept here as not going to find anyone better. So thank you for starting this thread in support of TT!!

 

27 starting QB have a 3:1 TD:Int ratio or better.

 

27.

 

So, it kinda looks like not turning the ball over isn't necessarily an indicator of a solid NFL starter.

 

It looks like it's a quality just about EVERY qb has.

 

 

 

 

Not hardly. 2 or better is close.

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2016/passing.htm

NAME	        Team	Age	Pos	G	GS	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	TD/INT Ratio	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds
Tom Brady	NWE	39	qb	7	7	175	256	68.4	2201	18	7	1	0.4	18.0	116.7	89	11	62
Dak Prescott	DAL	23	QB	11	11	231	340	67.9	2835	18	5.3	2	0.6	9.0	108.6	82.8	15	89
Derek Carr	OAK	25	QB	11	11	281	423	66.4	3115	22	5.2	5	1.2	4.4	100.5	62.8	13	50
Matt Ryan	ATL	31	QB	11	11	262	380	68.9	3516	26	6.8	6	1.6	4.3	114.3	85.3	27	182
Sam Bradford	MIN	29	QB	10	10	248	348	71.3	2415	12	3.4	3	0.9	4.0	98.3	72.9	26	189
Mat Stafford	DET	28	QB	11	11	261	391	66.8	2883	19	4.9	5	1.3	3.8	99.3	70.1	25	147
Drew Brees	NOR	37	QB	11	11	326	456	71.5	3587	30	6.6	8	1.8	3.8	109.1	66.1	18	123
Aaron Rodgers	GNB	33	QB	10	10	259	410	63.2	2761	25	6.1	7	1.7	3.6	96	72.9	24	157
C. Kaepernick	SFO	29	qb	7	6	115	208	55.3	1440	10	4.8	3	1.4	3.3	87	73.2	18	110
Roethlisberger	PIT	34	QB	10	10	242	373	64.9	2745	23	6.2	7	1.9	3.3	99.5	73.5	14	123
Marcus Mariota	TEN	23	QB	12	12	243	378	64.3	2998	25	6.6	8	2.1	3.1	101.9	54.4	18	129
Cody Kessler	CLE	23	qb	8	8	126	192	65.6	1369	6	3.1	2	1	3.0	92.6	55.6	19	129
Jared Goff	LAR	22	qb	3	2	37	63	58.7	348	3	4.8	1	1.6	3.0	83.3		4	45
Kirk Cousins	WAS	28	QB	11	11	299	437	68.4	3540	20	4.6	7	1.6	2.9	101.4	58.2	14	108
Russell Wilson	SEA	28	QB	11	11	238	368	64.7	2865	11	3	4	1.1	2.8	93.9	59.6	26	205
Tyrod Taylor	BUF	27	QB	11	11	193	313	61.7	2101	11	3.5	4	1.3	2.8	87.8	67.3	30	136
Alex Smith	KAN	32	QB	10	10	229	346	66.2	2297	10	2.9	4	1.2	2.5	89.7	50.7	24	124
Andrew Luck	IND	27	QB	10	10	236	375	62.9	2827	19	5.1	8	2.1	2.4	93.9	68.3	35	219
Trevor Siemian	DEN	24	QB	10	10	195	325	60	2396	15	4.6	7	2.2	2.1	89.2	55.2	24	136
Eli Manning	NYG	35	QB	11	11	261	413	63.2	2902	20	4.8	10	2.4	2.0	90.1	60.2	13	75
Andy Dalton	CIN	29	QB	11	11	259	408	63.5	3043	12	2.9	6	1.5	2.0	89.7	64.5	32	188
Jameis Winston	TAM	22	QB	11	11	249	406	61.3	2900	22	5.4	11	2.7	2.0	89.7	59.7	23	155
Paxton Lynch	DEN	22	qb	2	1	37	59	62.7	393	2	3.4	1	1.7	2.0	86.3	38.1	7	40
Philip Rivers	SDG	35	QB	11	11	251	399	62.9	3128	23	5.8	12	3	1.9	93.9	74.4	26	142
Ryan Tannehill	MIA	28	QB	11	11	217	329	66	2574	15	4.6	8	2.4	1.9	94.7	43.1	26	194
Cam Newton	CAR	27	QB	10	10	189	338	55.9	2432	13	3.8	8	2.4	1.6	81.6	56	27	208
Carson Wentz	PHI	24	QB	10	10	225	356	63.2	2339	11	3.1	7	2	1.6	84.2	54.1	21	118
Blake Bortles	JAX	24	QB	11	11	263	441	59.6	2749	20	4.5	13	2.9	1.5	80.6	50.6	23	132
Carson Palmer	ARI	37	QB	10	10	252	414	60.9	2931	15	3.6	11	2.7	1.4	83.3	51.2	32	222
Joe Flacco	BAL	31	QB	11	11	285	450	63.3	2877	11	2.4	10	2.2	1.1	80.4	57.1	23	176
Josh McCowan	CLE	37	qb	5	3	90	165	54.5	1100	6	3.6	6	3.6	1.0	72.3	63.8	18	126
Landry Jones	PIT	27	qb	6	1	29	49	59.2	281	1	2	1	2	1.0	73.6	3.3	0	0
Drew Stanton	ARI	32	qb	4	1	17	44	38.6	184	2	4.5	2	4.5	1.0	47.9	27.6	1	8
Bryce Petty	NYJ	25	qb	2	1	21	34	61.8	182	1	2.9	1	2.9	1.0	73.4		1	6
Brock Osweiler	HOU	26	QB	11	11	238	400	59.5	2307	12	3	13	3.3	0.9	72.2	50	20	152
Blaine Gabbert	SFO	27	qb	5	5	87	150	58	890	5	3.3	6	4	0.8	69.6	62	10	40
Case Keenum	LAR	28	qb	9	9	191	313	61	2169	9	2.9	11	3.5	0.8	76.8	46.4	23	140
Jay Cutler	CHI	33	qb	5	5	81	137	59.1	1059	4	2.9	5	3.6	0.8	78.1	40.4	17	104
R Fitzpatrick	NYJ	34	qb	10	9	190	330	57.6	2252	10	3	13	3.9	0.8	72.2	55.9	18	73
Matt Barkley	CHI	26	qb	2	1	34	69	49.3	397	3	4.3	4	5.8	0.8	57.5		1	10
Derek Anderson	CAR	33	qb	3	1	36	52	69.2	453	2	3.8	4	7.7	0.5	76.8	28.3	0	0
Scott Tolzien	IND	29	qb	1	1	22	36	61.1	205	1	2.8	2	5.6	0.5	62.8		3	21
Brian Hoyer	CHI	31	qb	6	5	134	200	67	1445	6	3	0	0	6 TDs 0 INTs	98	63.7	4	18
Jimmy Garoppolo	NWE	25	qb	4	2	42	60	70	496	4	6.7	0	0	4 TDs 0 INTs	117.1	91.6	3	15
Nick Foles	KAN	27	qb	2	1	36	55	65.5	410	3	5.5	0	0	3 TDs 0 INTs	105.9		4	34
Jacoby Brissett	NWE	24	qb	3	2	34	55	61.8	400	0	0	0	0	0 TDs 0 INTs	83.9	48	6	46

[r00tabaga]

Okay so I missed this one. JSP is actually giving Tyrod credit? Cuz his 2.8 td/int % is better than Cam, Flacco, Tanny, Blake, Daulton, Luck, Carson, Jameis, Eli, etc, etc.

 

Oops.

[3rdand12]

It's easier than you think. Let the hate flow through you..

om

[boyst]

The guy eats nothing but organic mushrooms and avocado ice cream. Who would want to live that way anyway.

he also sucks richard

[rockpile]

 

A valid criticism. And the last time I make that mistake

 

Today?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Tyrod Taylor has 16 total TDs and 5 total turnovers. In 25 starts he has 40 total TDs and 12 total turnovers. The Bills haven't had a QB close to this efficiency ever. He isnt the best passer, but people need to back off him.

Edited November 29, 2016 by TheTruthHurts

[MAJBobby]

Tyrod Taylor has 16 total TDs and 5 total turnovers. In 25 starts he has 40 total TDs and 12 total turnovers. The Bills haven't had a QB close to this efficiency ever. He isnt the best passer, but people need to back off him.

Why? Because our QB isn't the best passer so we need to back off because he is so risk adverse he doesn't take shots. Ok nah but thanks for the advice

[Dr. K]

Well it is true that 22 have a ratio of 2.0 or better.

[Simon]

Why? Because our QB isn't the best passer so we need to back off because he is so risk adverse he doesn't take shots. Ok nah but thanks for the advice

Sometimes having a guy who is too worried about the turnover is just as bad as having a guy who isn't worried enough

[Kirby Jackson]

Why? Because our QB isn't the best passer so we need to back off because he is so risk adverse he doesn't take shots. Ok nah but thanks for the advice

I think that the point was more 40 TDs to 12 INTs isn't worth the criticism that he gets. I tend to agree. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but there aren't a lot of guys that are accounting for almost 4 times as many TDs as turnovers. Again, it doesn't mean that he is perfect but there are a lot of teams that would love to have that ratio.

[MAJBobby]

I think that the point was more 40 TDs to 12 INTs isn't worth the criticism that he gets. I tend to agree. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but there aren't a lot of guys that are accounting for almost 4 times as many TDs as turnovers. Again, it doesn't mean that he is perfect but there are a lot of teams that would love to have that ratio.

31 to 12 is a 2.58 ratio passing the ball. And yes a lot of QBs in the NFL have that ratio passing the ball and are nearly not as risk adverse with throwing the football.

[Kirby Jackson]

31 to 12 is a 2.58 ratio passing the ball. And yes a lot of QBs in the NFL have that ratio passing the ball and are nearly not as risk adverse with throwing the football.

So we are deciding that the stats when he carries the ball don't count even though that it a central part of what he does? Why should we exclude fumbles and TD runs when he is asked to be a ball carrier? No one holds that against Cam....