bilzfancy Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, B-Man said: They will NEVER stop....... They've already pulled Mark Twain and To Kill a Mockingbird in the Minneapolis school district 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 24 minutes ago, bilzfancy said: They've already pulled Mark Twain and To Kill a Mockingbird in the Minneapolis school district Not that it matters, because the whole ordeal is intellectually repugnant, but all of Twain’s works or just Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 4 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Not that it matters, because the whole ordeal is intellectually repugnant, but all of Twain’s works or just Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn? This happened a couple of years ago and I believe those books were required readings as part of the English curriculum. None of Twain's other works were and all of these books are available to read in their school libraries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share Posted July 6, 2020 11 hours ago, bilzfancy said: What's your excuse for tearing down Washington, Jefferson, Fredrick Douglas etc? Small minority wants that, nothing more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share Posted July 6, 2020 5 hours ago, Doc Brown said: This happened a couple of years ago and I believe those books were required readings as part of the English curriculum. None of Twain's other works were and all of these books are available to read in their school libraries. Teaching Huck Finn would be a challenge. It’s not just a great book, it’s open for all kinds of interpretation and it’s so full of racism, but much of it is a child rising above that racism to see the light. I actually just read it and was thinking about how a teacher would present it. Huck’s fathers racist rant is pretty hard core stuff, but that’s how it was. I could see a non skillful teacher making mistakes, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Numark3 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, bilzfancy said: They've already pulled Mark Twain and To Kill a Mockingbird in the Minneapolis school district that’s dumb. But in fairness, those books have unfortunately been getting pulled from school districts for decades. 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: Teaching Huck Finn would be a challenge. It’s not just a great book, it’s open for all kinds of interpretation and it’s so full of racism, but much of it is a child rising above that racism to see the light. I actually just read it and was thinking about how a teacher would present it. Huck’s fathers racist rant is pretty hard core stuff, but that’s how it was. I could see a non skillful teacher making mistakes, lol. it was taught fine to me in middle school. It is a tough book, that’s the point though Edited July 6, 2020 by Crayola64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 6, 2020 Author Share Posted July 6, 2020 56 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Gee, wonder who did that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 BRYAN PRESTON: Do We Still Hold These Truths to Be Self-Evident? Taking the words of the Declaration together with the preamble to Constitution and Douglass rightly saw the ideas that would inevitably end slavery, as long as the republic endured long enough to see it. In 1852, as now, this was not ironclad. So, to the free man, the Fourth of July represented his guarantee. To those still enslaved, the Fourth of July represented hope of freedom to come. Frederick Douglass’ experience led him to see this more clearly than anyone else of his age and probably anyone since or now. The storm, the whirlwind, and the earthquake Douglass spoke of came, in the form of a destructive civil war. America paid in blood and treasure as it never had before, and slavery was ended. Douglass lived through it as one of abolitionism’s most ardent, eloquent, passionate, and heard spokesman. He had risen from slavery to become a friend of presidents, as a citizen, though not yet in full. Few have the power of oration without experience, and Douglass had experienced it all. He had lived under unjust law. He had broken that law. And he also respected and served the higher law, the Constitution, which he respected as a means of reaching understanding and offering hope. He was a true American on July 4, 1852, more true than many others. On July 4, 2020, people as yet unknown damaged and toppled the statue of Frederick Douglass in Rochester that marks his moment and his speech. The damage was so extensive that it will probably have to be replaced. Read the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Trump is nuts... Trump campaign claims the president will protect Brazil's famous Christ the Redeemer statue from vandalism and destruction 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 13 minutes ago, BillStime said: Trump is nuts... Trump campaign claims the president will protect Brazil's famous Christ the Redeemer statue from vandalism and destruction Yeah, let's take that one down too,........smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 minute ago, bilzfancy said: Yeah, let's take that one down too,........smh Yeah - and what say does he have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Uncle Joe said: And this is why they don’t call them history teachers. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) One thing struck me. You don't see anyone pulling down a MLK statue. Give them time. Edited July 6, 2020 by Wacka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 50 minutes ago, Uncle Joe said: I'm sure he'll be given tenure for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 "End police violence!" "YES!" "Black Lives Matter!" "YES!" "Take confederate names off military bases!" "YES!" "And take down their statues!" "YES!" "And Washington & Jefferson's!" "YE- well um..." "and Lincoln & Grant!" "waitwhut" "and Frederick Douglass!" "yeah Imma head out" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Sums up the Trump admin and campaign perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOBUFFALO716 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 23 minutes ago, B-Man said: "End police violence!" "YES!" "Black Lives Matter!" "YES!" "Take confederate names off military bases!" "YES!" "And take down their statues!" "YES!" "And Washington & Jefferson's!" "YE- well um..." "and Lincoln & Grant!" "waitwhut" "and Frederick Douglass!" "yeah Imma head out" waitwhut? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 7, 2020 Author Share Posted July 7, 2020 The Confederate flag is about racism, treason and slavery. That’s the hill these people want to die on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: The Confederate flag is about racism, treason and slavery. That’s the hill these people want to die on. Let em 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 It's not about the Confederacy........... Goodbye, Columbus by John Hinderaker Original Article The current rage for tearing down statues and renaming things has reached a sort of reductio ad absurdum: the city of Columbus, Ohio has removed the statue of Christopher Columbus from in front of its City Hall. The Wall Street Journal reports: The city of Columbus, Ohio, this week unceremoniously evicted a 16-foot bronze statue . . . of Christopher Columbus. “For many people in our community, the statue represents patriarchy, oppression and divisiveness,” said Mayor Andrew Ginther, giving the removal order two weeks ago. “That does not represent our great city.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Democrats on the House Appropriations Committee on Monday released a draft of a funding bill that includes a provision to remove statues and busts of those who served the Confederacy or have "unambiguous records of racial intolerance" from the U.S. Capitol, setting up a potential fight over the issue as President Trump emphasizes preserving such tributes in at least some circumstances. The bill, which provides more than $4 billion to fund the legislative branch as part of the fiscal year that begins in October, is almost certain not to pass in its current form due to how Congress has run its appropriations process in recent years. But it could serve as a template for continuing resolutions that keep the government running, and the statue-removal provision could make its way into that legislation. "The bill includes language directing the Architect of the Capitol to remove statues or busts in the U.S. Capitol that represent figures who participated in the Confederate Army or government, as well as the statues of individuals with unambiguous records of racial intolerance, Charles Aycock, John C. Calhoun, and James Paul Clarke, and the bust of Roger B. Taney," an online summary of the bill reads. (Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 BillZtime and SectionC3 ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 7, 2020 Author Share Posted July 7, 2020 Racism does seem to make people stupid. This is how you accurately describe President Trump’s latest actions: “Instead of working around the clock on [the pandemic], visiting hospitals, rallying the troops, rallying the public to wear masks, fight complacency, care for elderly and the sick, this president is simply declaring victory, declaring [the novel coronavirus] 99 percent harmless instead of talking about the virus and doing things about it. He’s spending his time to trying to distract now with racist and jingoistic talk. He’s just leaning full into the racist he’s long been; he’s just letting us see it more clearly now than ever before.” That was Anderson Cooper on CNN Monday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, B-Man said: BillZtime and SectionC3 ?? Yep, with Tiberius taking a leak behind the statue out of view. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Even Trump has publicly stated the confederate flag needs to get out of public spaces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 7, 2020 Author Share Posted July 7, 2020 4 hours ago, B-Man said: BillZtime and SectionC3 ?? That sounds like right wingers, not open minded, science believing, health expert following, US intelligence believing, educated Democrats. Go go to your Trump rallies, that’s where the heads are up the asses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 We Need More Statues and Ways to Interact With History, Not Less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 I WAS TOLD THIS WAS JUST ABOUT CONFEDERATE GENERALS: You were a fool (like the OP) if you believed that. Vandals cut down flagpole at 9/11 memorial for fallen firefighters in Washingtonville. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) Lot of this going around...............? Don Lemon Butchers a Key Christian Doctrine While Trying to Lecture America on Statues On Monday, CNN’s Don Lemon undermined his own argument when it comes to removing statues by engaging in what any Christian should consider outright blasphemy. In a truly bizarre moment, the CNN host suggested that the Founders were not perfect … just like Jesus Christ. “But here’s the thing. Jesus Christ, if that’s who you believe in, Jesus Christ, admittedly was not perfect when he was here on this earth,” the CNN host falsely claimed. “So why are we deifying the Founders of this country? Many of whom owned slaves.” This nonsensical argument reveals a great deal about Lemon’s own ignorance, not only about the impetus for protecting statues of America’s heroes but also the basic worldview of conservatives in general and Christians in particular. If Christians believe one thing, it is that Jesus Christ is perfect. After God made humans sinless, Adam and Eve sinned, dooming humanity. God the Father sent Jesus Christ to be the perfect sacrifice to reconcile sinful humanity with a perfect God. This is Christianity 101, the most basic “Mere Christianity” on which all small-o orthodox denominations agree. The doctrine of Jesus’ moral perfection is painfully obvious throughout the New Testament. Here is a tiny sample of such verses: More at the link: https://pjmedia.com/culture/tyler-o-neil/2020/07/09/don-lemon-resorts-to-blasphemy-to-weaken-his-argument-against-statues-n624450 Edited July 9, 2020 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) The City of Buffalo took down the Christopher Columbus statue in Columbus Park. If they can put it in a museum or Italian meeting place to keep it safe . The native americans have been protesting against Columbus Day for some time. This is getting sad , grew up with many Italian friends. I bet Russ Salvatore has a good place for the statue. Edited July 10, 2020 by ALF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 On 7/6/2020 at 8:13 AM, Tiberius said: Gee, wonder who did that? In regards to knocking over the Frederick Douglass statue, I have no idea. I' m going to wait til they find the person who did this, then I'll know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 22 hours ago, B-Man said: Lot of this going around...............? Don Lemon Butchers a Key Christian Doctrine While Trying to Lecture America on Statues On Monday, CNN’s Don Lemon undermined his own argument when it comes to removing statues by engaging in what any Christian should consider outright blasphemy. In a truly bizarre moment, the CNN host suggested that the Founders were not perfect … just like Jesus Christ. “But here’s the thing. Jesus Christ, if that’s who you believe in, Jesus Christ, admittedly was not perfect when he was here on this earth,” the CNN host falsely claimed. “So why are we deifying the Founders of this country? Many of whom owned slaves.” This nonsensical argument reveals a great deal about Lemon’s own ignorance, not only about the impetus for protecting statues of America’s heroes but also the basic worldview of conservatives in general and Christians in particular. If Christians believe one thing, it is that Jesus Christ is perfect. After God made humans sinless, Adam and Eve sinned, dooming humanity. God the Father sent Jesus Christ to be the perfect sacrifice to reconcile sinful humanity with a perfect God. This is Christianity 101, the most basic “Mere Christianity” on which all small-o orthodox denominations agree. The doctrine of Jesus’ moral perfection is painfully obvious throughout the New Testament. Here is a tiny sample of such verses: More at the link: https://pjmedia.com/culture/tyler-o-neil/2020/07/09/don-lemon-resorts-to-blasphemy-to-weaken-his-argument-against-statues-n624450 heathens gonna heathe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 It’s NOT about the Confederacy ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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