ALF Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 when you compare Hitler to Trump you're a !@#$ing moron. Stop quoting this !@#$ good grief,no one is comparing Hitler to Trump , no one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 good grief,no one is comparing Hitler to Trump , no one he just said no one stopped Hitler. ... Do you not read him? I saw it when someone else quoted him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 From what I posted before the march. What, exactly, is the big deal about a march espousing a political point of view? Isn't this the sort of thing Americans should take in stride? Why not say some kind words about free speech, register your disagreement with the opinion the crowd is expressing, and move on? I think the best answer to that last question is that people who disagree with the opinion see an opportunity to express their own opinion, to use the assembled crowd as a platform to express disagreement with the opinion expressed by that crowd. There's nothing really wrong with that, but why should onlookers like me get riled up about anything? It's just another normal day in America. But that's not what CNN wants me to think. There is absolutely nothing wrong with protesting these idiot "nazis", if they showed up in my town I would also. But I will not turn a blind eye to the thugs from Antifa also. Do you really expect us to forget their violent actions in the past year ? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 he just said no one stopped Hitler. ... Do you not read him? I saw it when someone else quoted him One Officer tried to assassinate Hitler but failed. He was able to fool the masses. No one here would equate Trump to Hitler. No one could fool the masses here. There are small radical groups on the far right and left the police need to deal with like in VA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 We have history books to record the good and bad of historical events. Statues are normally reserved for inspirational people or events. Celebrating the treasonous actions of the Confederacy with statues is not inspirational, and shows a lack of empathy for the historical treatment of blacks. Never forget, but don't celebrate or honor. Belief in a cause doesn't excuse action, otherwise we'd have statues of Nazis, and would tell Jews that it's a historical record. Did you know we - the United States - have a statue honoring Josef Stalin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) No one should die for exercising their constitutional rights. Some animal killed her because he obviously doesn't think she should have rights. They were holding a hate rally and of course people are going to protest them. Blaming the victims is kind of strange to say the least I didn't say that. My one hope was and I stated it earlier today is that nobody died because of this stupidity. Obviously, it's the wack job in the car who is at fault, but would you still protest in the streets after the governor declared a state of emergency for the area and begged people to go home (I'm not sure if public protest rights are suspended under a state of emergency)? All I saw yesterday were idiots on opposite sides fighting each other and a casualty occurred because of it. Not to mention, the horrific helicopter crash that killed two police officers trying to prevent the mayhem there. Edited August 13, 2017 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Franklin Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) You're right, good thing Auschwitz is only a memory in books and picturesThat giant Mengele statue in Berlin is touching. Auschwitz is a solemn reminder of the Holocaust, not a symbol for Neo Nazi protests. The Lee statue is a celebration of the general and become a rallying point for racists. There's no equivalence to Auschwitz. Edited August 13, 2017 by Benjamin Franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 That giant Mengele statue in Berlin is touching. Auschwitz is a solemn reminder of the Holocaust, not a symbol for Neo Nazi protests. The Lee statue is a celebration of the general and become a rallying point for racists. There's no equivalence to Auschwitz. So, if in the future, bald supremacists begin a movement and rally around the writings of Franklin and Newton, then we should tear down statues and burn books? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 If you advocate violence... looking at YOU antifa, you should be prepared for violence in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 That giant Mengele statue in Berlin is touching. Auschwitz is a solemn reminder of the Holocaust, not a symbol for Neo Nazi protests. The Lee statue is a celebration of the general and become a rallying point for racists. There's no equivalence to Auschwitz. I highly doubt that a hunk of metal inspires somebody to be a hateful bigot. To them the rallying point wasn't the statue, but the reinforcement of their view that the white man is under attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Franklin Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 So, if in the future, bald supremacists begin a movement and rally around the writings of Franklin and Newton, then we should tear down statues and burn books? I did say exactly that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 I did say exactly that. So then what should be the new name for Columbus Ohio in your humble opinion? The bottom line is that people are imperfect beings. In reality people as a whole do not deserve statues being made of them. That is because no matter how many great ideas they espoused, if we are forced to remember the whole person, there will inevitably be flaws, some of them gigantic....in every single person. Columbus' discovery, along with Newton's and Franklin's deserve plaudits, perhaps in the form of a statue, who gets to measure the offsets to these achievements to determine statue worthiness? Should knuckleheads of future generations surrounding a statue of Franklin and bragging about their European mistresses be enough to take it down? I have my opinions....I certainly thought Joe Paterno's disgusting concealment of a child rapist was enough to take his statue down. Most Penn State loons disagreed. I'm sure you have your opinions. Who gets to decide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 Did you know we - the United States - have a statue honoring Josef Stalin? As part of a larger WWII memorial dedicated to all the Allies that fought against the Nazis. It's not there to honor his murder of Russians. Many of the Confederate statues were erected in the '60s as a protest against the Civil rights act and the federal government's support for desegregation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 (edited) As part of a larger WWII memorial dedicated to all the Allies that fought against the Nazis. It's not there to honor his murder of Russians. Many of the Confederate statues were erected in the '60s as a protest against the Civil rights act and the federal government's support for desegregation. Link ? The Charlottesville Robert E. Lee Statue isn’t something that was built when Virginia was a member of the Confederate States of America. It wasn’t even built in the years after the Civil War. The statue was commissioned in 1917, 52 years after the war ended, and was finally erected in 1924, 59 years after the war ended. Edited August 13, 2017 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 As part of a larger WWII memorial dedicated to all the Allies that fought against the Nazis. NOW context matters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 13, 2017 Share Posted August 13, 2017 NOW context matters? Come on, not a single one of the people outraged today said a word when 44 not only funded, but helped install real Nazis into power in the Ukraine. Wonder what the difference is: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hughes/the-neo-nazi-question-in_b_4938747.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Franklin Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) So then what should be the new name for Columbus Ohio in your humble opinion? The bottom line is that people are imperfect beings. In reality people as a whole do not deserve statues being made of them. That is because no matter how many great ideas they espoused, if we are forced to remember the whole person, there will inevitably be flaws, some of them gigantic....in every single person. Columbus' discovery, along with Newton's and Franklin's deserve plaudits, perhaps in the form of a statue, who gets to measure the offsets to these achievements to determine statue worthiness? Should knuckleheads of future generations surrounding a statue of Franklin and bragging about their European mistresses be enough to take it down? I have my opinions....I certainly thought Joe Paterno's disgusting concealment of a child rapist was enough to take his statue down. Most Penn State loons disagreed. I'm sure you have your opinions. Who gets to decide? I don't really care who decides. Clearly the future does. This Lee statue thing is not about Lee: It's about the white supremacists who showed up. Somehow a bunch of people here have turned this into, "It's the left's fault for creating them/inviting them/something." I could give two spits about whether they keep the statue or not. They have some local council for that decision. (And if you're going to judge a founding father as morally wanting, I'm down the list. Jefferson is the easy target.) Edited August 14, 2017 by Benjamin Franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 15, 2017 Author Share Posted August 15, 2017 Hurrah!!! http://wncn.com/2017/08/14/protesters-rally-against-confederate-monument-in-front-old-durham-county-courthouse/ So beautiful!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Taking down statues that offend some, next it will be banning books that some find offensive, and that's how it starts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Hurrah!!! http://wncn.com/2017/08/14/protesters-rally-against-confederate-monument-in-front-old-durham-county-courthouse/ So beautiful!! Hurrah to mob rule! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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