DC Tom Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Kind of like this dumb!@#$ery? http://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/local/education/article150926787.html So if we rename Washington's football team the Re?s/ins, that's fine? Someday, some Cal-Poly graduate is going to wonder why bragging about living in yakʔitʸutʸu doesn't earn him a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Don't worry. History is still safe in New Orleans. They still have this Civil War Museum: http://www.neworleansonline.com/directory/location.php?locationID=1253 Give'em time. That'll go away soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 The aim and accomplishment of Lincoln to preserve the Union by admitting the Confederates back, after loyalty oaths and such, is one of the most magnanimous actions in war history. Asking a sworn enemy to swear to loyalty oaths is magnanimous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Asking a sworn enemy to swear to loyalty oaths is magnanimous? It is when compared with gunning them all down, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 It is when compared with gunning them all down, I suppose. I think many of them would likely have preferred that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I think many of them would likely have preferred that. Judging by my decades living in the south as a WNY transplant, I suspect you're right about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) Judging by my decades living in the south as a WNY transplant, I suspect you're right about that. No one can be forced to take a loyalty oath without an alternative. Death was certainly an option. Edited May 24, 2017 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 No can be forced to take a loyalty oath without an alternative. Death was certainly an option. I completely agree with you. I was just being a wise-ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 The aim and accomplishment of Lincoln to preserve the Union by admitting the Confederates back, after loyalty oaths and such, is one of the most magnanimous actions in war history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 You had to bring Fletcher into this, eh? https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=josey+wales+movie&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3djosey%2bwales%2bmovie%26form%3dPRHPR1%26pc%3dHRTE%26mkt%3den-us%26httpsmsn%3d1%26refig%3d97e4b4885fa14a8d82b63cc20dc80383%26sp%3d3%26qs%3dSC%26pq%3djosie%2bwales%26sk%3dSC2%26sc%3d8-11%26cvid%3d97e4b4885fa14a8d82b63cc20dc80383&mmscn=tpvh&view=detail&mid=94744D4A8B664B2DAAD794744D4A8B664B2DAAD7&rvsmid=D550FD9A2FCC384312EFD550FD9A2FCC384312EF&fsscr=0&FORM=VDQVAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 just thinking after a discussion at a bar last week i overheard. premise was that we need to avoid cultural appropriation of our past in order to move forward. remove monuments to the archaic southern lifestyle and advance in a generation of equality. our past history does not need to be discussed by anyone. of course, they compared it to hitler, wwii germany, etc... and i almost went to their table to ask if they should remove the interment camps and other such things, as well. but, i didn't. i also wanted to ask them their approach on isil, isis & daesch, LLC partners. do they endorse them destroying the culture of the past in order to advance their society? in 100 years when isil, isis and daesch, LLC partners take over the country will the be acceptably removing uhmeriKKKan monuments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 I have no Southern heritage, all of this means nothing to me. I'm not sure why this upsets so many Northerners. Many of whom didn't even have any ancestors in America at the time of the Civil War. I couldn't care less about they do. I don't know why so many others do. I can understand why someone with Southern heritage would hate this. I would be completely understanding of their feelings. I just can't comprehend why in 2017 so many Northeners have a love affair with the Confederacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 I have no Southern heritage, all of this means nothing to me. I'm not sure why this upsets so many Northerners. Many of whom didn't even have any ancestors in America at the time of the Civil War. I couldn't care less about they do. I don't know why so many others do. I can understand why someone with Southern heritage would hate this. I would be completely understanding of their feelings. I just can't comprehend why in 2017 so many Northeners have a love affair with the Confederacy. It's not a love affair with the Confederacy. It's a respect for history and heritage. Hell, aren't you upset with the destruction of ancient sites and artifacts caused by ISIS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 I have no Southern heritage, all of this means nothing to me. I'm not sure why this upsets so many Northerners. Many of whom didn't even have any ancestors in America at the time of the Civil War. I couldn't care less about they do. I don't know why so many others do. I can understand why someone with Southern heritage would hate this. I would be completely understanding of their feelings. I just can't comprehend why in 2017 so many Northeners have a love affair with the Confederacy. I have no connection to Afghanistan, and the destruction of the Bamian Buddhas pissed me off too. People who want to erase history because it offends their own sense of idolatry are !@#$s, plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 It's not a love affair with the Confederacy. It's a respect for history and heritage. Hell, aren't you upset with the destruction of ancient sites and artifacts caused by ISIS? I agree, but I don't care about statues that commentate opponents of the United States. Do we care about statues of other opponents of the US in wars? One bullet hitting the wrong person could have stopped my very existence. Why would I care about statues of those guys? I don't necessarily agree with taking them down. I'm just saying that as a Northerner it doesn't matter to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 I agree, but I don't care about statues that commentate opponents of the United States. Do we care about statues of other opponents of the US in wars? One bullet hitting the wrong person could have stopped my very existence. Why would I care about statues of those guys? I don't necessarily agree with taking them down. I'm just saying that as a Northerner it doesn't matter to me. The funny thing is that you make statements about them being "opponents of the United States" and refuse to recognize their regional and state loyalty that, at the time, was a much bigger concern that it is nowadays, and that led decorated veterans like Lee and Jackson to resign their commissions in the US Army and sign on to the Army of Virginia. And yet...you justify your apathy using a concept of regional loyalty that you deny them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 I agree, but I don't care about statues that commentate opponents of the United States. Do we care about statues of other opponents of the US in wars? One bullet hitting the wrong person could have stopped my very existence. Why would I care about statues of those guys? I don't necessarily agree with taking them down. I'm just saying that as a Northerner it doesn't matter to me. I'm glad my attitude towards the South won out in the years after the Civil War ended. Your attitude would not have aided reconciliation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 The funny thing is that you make statements about them being "opponents of the United States" and refuse to recognize their regional and state loyalty that, at the time, was a much bigger concern that it is nowadays, and that led decorated veterans like Lee and Jackson to resign their commissions in the US Army and sign on to the Army of Virginia. And yet...you justify your apathy using a concept of regional loyalty that you deny them. I don't deny them "regional loyalty". They fought a war against the United States. It is the heritage of many southerners. I don't see why any Southern local/state government would bow to pressure. I grant them all the regional loyalty they please. The statues being removed don't erase history or change anything. I'm just not going to pine the loss of those statues like many on this board. Why would I care if statues of people who fought against my forefathers were removed? I'm glad my attitude towards the South won out in the years after the Civil War ended. Your attitude would not have aided reconciliation. I'm all about reconciliation. It's not like I'd make them remove the statues. I just said that I don't understand all the Northerners who are sad about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 I don't deny them "regional loyalty". They fought a war against the United States. It is the heritage of many southerners. I don't see why any Southern local/state government would bow to pressure. I grant them all the regional loyalty they please. The statues being removed don't erase history or change anything. I'm just not going to pine the loss of those statues like many on this board. Why would I care if statues of people who fought against my forefathers were removed? I'm all about reconciliation. It's not like I'd make them remove the statues. I just said that I don't understand all the Northerners who are sad about it. My type of heartfelt respect after the war, would have been conducive to reconciliation. Your attitude wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 My type of heartfelt respect after the war, would have been conducive to reconciliation. Your attitude wouldn't. What attitude? My only attitude is that I don't care if they choose to decimate their own heritage. It's not my heritage. I haven't said one negative thing about the south, so I don't know what the h*** you are talking about. It's a crying shame you weren't alive in the 19th century. You would have been able to solve a lot of problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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