Tiberius Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 The funny thing is that you make statements about them being "opponents of the United States" and refuse to recognize their regional and state loyalty that, at the time, was a much bigger concern that it is nowadays, and that led decorated veterans like Lee and Jackson to resign their commissions in the US Army and sign on to the Army of Virginia. And yet...you justify your apathy using a concept of regional loyalty that you deny them. Too bad that regional locality was based upon racist ideology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 I wonder if those calling for removal of these statues would call for the removal of any monuments to that racist FDR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) I wonder if those calling for removal of these statues would call for the removal of any monuments to that racist FDR. I think we both know the answer to that. He must have just locked up all those Japanese Americans for their own protection, right? Edited May 30, 2017 by Azalin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Should probably unperson these two while we're at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 History. How does it work? Texas 'Antifacist' Group to Protest Statue of Sam Houston Yes, Houston owned slaves. But during his tenure as a Texas Senator, he voted against the spread of slavery into new states repeatedly. His refusal to join the secessionist movement and swear allegiance to the Confederacy cost Houston the Texas Governorship. Thanks to his loyalty to preserving the Union, Houston was kicked out of office and replaced by the pro-Confederacy Lieutenant Governor. But history is meaningless to many. Despite his allegiance to the Union and to preventing the spread of slavery, a strange group calling themselves the Texas Antifa is promising to eradicate Texas of its Confederate emblems. They’ve started by declaring war on a statue of Sam Houston located in Houston’s well-loved Hermann Park. So wild is the language in their posts, that I’m not entirely sure whether they’re sincerely anarchist extremists, or just trolling everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 History. How does it work? Texas 'Antifacist' Group to Protest Statue of Sam Houston Yes, Houston owned slaves. But during his tenure as a Texas Senator, he voted against the spread of slavery into new states repeatedly. His refusal to join the secessionist movement and swear allegiance to the Confederacy cost Houston the Texas Governorship. Thanks to his loyalty to preserving the Union, Houston was kicked out of office and replaced by the pro-Confederacy Lieutenant Governor. But history is meaningless to many. Despite his allegiance to the Union and to preventing the spread of slavery, a strange group calling themselves the Texas Antifa is promising to eradicate Texas of its Confederate emblems. They’ve started by declaring war on a statue of Sam Houston located in Houston’s well-loved Hermann Park. So wild is the language in their posts, that I’m not entirely sure whether they’re sincerely anarchist extremists, or just trolling everyone. Jesus Christ...I was !@#$ing kidding, people!!!! My jokes are having a sad habit of becoming reality, recently. I've got to start joking more positively, about me winning the lottery or Tom Brady getting mauled by a rabid pit bull or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Jesus Christ...I was !@#$ing kidding, people!!!! My jokes are having a sad habit of becoming reality, recently. I've got to start joking more positively, about me winning the lottery or Tom Brady getting mauled by a rabid pit bull or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 I wonder if those calling for removal of these statues would call for the removal of any monuments to that racist Lincoln. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Should probably unperson these two while we're at it That flag is only okay if Freebird will be played soon. Don't remind the Dems that they were the Jim Crow dis-Reconstructed south.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 I wonder if those calling for removal of these statues would call for the removal of any monuments to that racist Lincoln. The dude that freed the slaves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 The dude that freed the slaves? Yeah that's the one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 Yeah that's the one The guy who made friends with Frederick Douglass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 The most volatile monuments are what the south put up at Gettysburg National Military Park. (which was and in the North for those obviously ignorant of basic Civil War and post-war decisions...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 The most volatile monuments are what the south put up at Gettysburg National Military Park. (which was and in the North for those obviously ignorant of basic Civil War and post-war decisions...) The worst "monuments" at Gettysburg are all the fast food places and stores starting to crowd the battlefield. I was there about a month ago and its still pretty awesome. Standing at the Bloody Angle! Wow. General John Gibbon looking over your shoulder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 That flag is only okay if Freebird will be played soon. Don't remind the Dems that they were the Jim Crow dis-Reconstructed south.... Reminds me of a former black coworker that kept a copy of Skynards Greatest Hits in his car in case he ever got pulled over:lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 The guy who made friends with Frederick Douglass? Yeah I think he's the same dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 The dude that freed the slaves? No, he !@#$ing didn't. Lincoln freed ZERO slaves. None. Robert E. Lee freed more slaves than Lincoln. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 No, he !@#$ing didn't. Lincoln freed ZERO slaves. None. Robert E. Lee freed more slaves than Lincoln. Lincoln freed many slaves and pushed to have them all freed. The EP did free and then allowed to enlist those former slaves into the army. The Great Emancipator! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Lincoln freed many slaves and pushed to have them all freed. The EP did free and then allowed to enlist those former slaves into the army. The Great Emancipator! The EP freed no one. It was a speech. Slaves in the North were still slaves, because the Emancipation Proclamation didn't apply to the Union. Slaves in the South were still slaves, because Lincoln had no legal or practical authority over the South (which is the entire reason the Civil War was fought). Slaves in portions of the South occupied by the Union Army were legally contraband - i.e., property - in line with federal law and Dred Scott. Lee, on the other hand, emancipated as many as 200 slaves from the Custis estates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 The EP freed no one. It was a speech. Slaves in the North were still slaves, because the Emancipation Proclamation didn't apply to the Union. Slaves in the South were still slaves, because Lincoln had no legal or practical authority over the South (which is the entire reason the Civil War was fought). Slaves in portions of the South occupied by the Union Army were legally contraband - i.e., property - in line with federal law and Dred Scott. Lee, on the other hand, emancipated as many as 200 slaves from the Custis estates. shhh Don't let actual facts disrupt what an 8 yr old learned in history class. Lincoln freed the slaves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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