Nanker Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Funny how some folks have turned into Trump chasers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Until the man is sworn in and begins making decisions, it's all just noise to me for now. Is that kinda like....We look horrible in the preseason....going 0-4 and making no semblnace of identity on offense or defense...but once the season starts we are gonna be great....? Oh...and never mind the psychotic tweets....its "preseason" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Is that kinda like....We look horrible in the preseason....going 0-4 and making no semblnace of identity on offense or defense...but once the season starts we are gonna be great....? Oh...and never mind the psychotic tweets....its "preseason" Buffalo Bills 1990 0-4 13-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Unexpectedly some Senate Dems are ready to work with Trump and the GOP What a difference a few weeks makes. Right up until the morning of November 8th the two parties were lined up in the political equivalent of trenches on the western front in WW1. You’d have been hard pressed to find a Democrat anywhere in the nation who wasn’t ready to declare open rhetorical warfare on Donald Trump and anyone agreeing with a single policy he endorsed. But now, with the dust largely settled, there’s a particular group of Democrats in the Senate who suddenly are finding common ground to be a good thing and are ready to work across the aisle. (The Hill) North Dakota Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.) is ready to work with Republicans on legislation to invest in “clean coal” technologies. More broadly, she says she’s willing to work across the aisle on regulatory reform… Sen. Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.) is ready to work with the GOP and the Trump administration on military mental healthcare issues, curbing the exodus of U.S. jobs to foreign countries and combating the opioid epidemic… Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.) hopes to work with Republicans to reduce the deficit, clean up Washington by stopping former lawmakers from becoming lobbyists and passing legislation to improve service at the Department of Veterans Affairs, a major Trump talking point during the campaign. Those three are joined by Joe Manchin, Bob Casey and Sherrod Brown, all of whom have some ideas about a legislative agenda which could line up nicely with the GOP’s priorities. And Chuck Schumer isn’t doing anything to tamp them down either. Have you already guessed what they all have in common? For one very good hint, just take a look at this map of 2018 Senate seats which are up for grabs. More at the link: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Is that kinda like....We look horrible in the preseason....going 0-4 and making no semblnace of identity on offense or defense...but once the season starts we are gonna be great....? Oh...and never mind the psychotic tweets....its "preseason" Most would say Obama had a good pre-season. He went 1-15 in his first term and has he won a game in his 2nd term? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Unexpectedly some Senate Dems are ready to work with Trump and the GOP What a difference a few weeks makes. Right up until the morning of November 8th the two parties were lined up in the political equivalent of trenches on the western front in WW1. You’d have been hard pressed to find a Democrat anywhere in the nation who wasn’t ready to declare open rhetorical warfare on Donald Trump and anyone agreeing with a single policy he endorsed. But now, with the dust largely settled, there’s a particular group of Democrats in the Senate who suddenly are finding common ground to be a good thing and are ready to work across the aisle. (The Hill) North Dakota Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.) is ready to work with Republicans on legislation to invest in “clean coal” technologies. More broadly, she says she’s willing to work across the aisle on regulatory reform… Sen. Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.) is ready to work with the GOP and the Trump administration on military mental healthcare issues, curbing the exodus of U.S. jobs to foreign countries and combating the opioid epidemic… Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.) hopes to work with Republicans to reduce the deficit, clean up Washington by stopping former lawmakers from becoming lobbyists and passing legislation to improve service at the Department of Veterans Affairs, a major Trump talking point during the campaign. Those three are joined by Joe Manchin, Bob Casey and Sherrod Brown, all of whom have some ideas about a legislative agenda which could line up nicely with the GOP’s priorities. And Chuck Schumer isn’t doing anything to tamp them down either. Have you already guessed what they all have in common? For one very good hint, just take a look at this map of 2018 Senate seats which are up for grabs. More at the link: Thanks, this is exactly what I was hoping for when I voted for Trump. Everyone hated him, wasn't fit to be President, well what're ya gonna do now? At least some in congress are starting to get the message. Here's to finding a functional government again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Personally, I don't want the Congress and Trump to get too "functional" too quickly. There is definitely a mandate to change the course. There's a lot that needs fixing though. But sometimes wild swings in direction can be counterproductive. It's the fundamental law of unintended consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Unexpectedly some Senate Dems are ready to work with Trump and the GOP What a difference a few weeks makes. Right up until the morning of November 8th the two parties were lined up in the political equivalent of trenches on the western front in WW1. You’d have been hard pressed to find a Democrat anywhere in the nation who wasn’t ready to declare open rhetorical warfare on Donald Trump and anyone agreeing with a single policy he endorsed. But now, with the dust largely settled, there’s a particular group of Democrats in the Senate who suddenly are finding common ground to be a good thing and are ready to work across the aisle. (The Hill) North Dakota Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.) is ready to work with Republicans on legislation to invest in “clean coal” technologies. More broadly, she says she’s willing to work across the aisle on regulatory reform… Sen. Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.) is ready to work with the GOP and the Trump administration on military mental healthcare issues, curbing the exodus of U.S. jobs to foreign countries and combating the opioid epidemic… Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.) hopes to work with Republicans to reduce the deficit, clean up Washington by stopping former lawmakers from becoming lobbyists and passing legislation to improve service at the Department of Veterans Affairs, a major Trump talking point during the campaign. Those three are joined by Joe Manchin, Bob Casey and Sherrod Brown, all of whom have some ideas about a legislative agenda which could line up nicely with the GOP’s priorities. And Chuck Schumer isn’t doing anything to tamp them down either. Have you already guessed what they all have in common? For one very good hint, just take a look at this map of 2018 Senate seats which are up for grabs. More at the link: Not all that surprising. Democratic legislators in states that went for Trump willing to not reflexively dismiss everything Republican. I'm pretty sure the coastal wings of the Democratic Party are going to call them "traitors" and "appeasers" before long. I hope someone in Die Partei is educated enough to refer to one of them as "Franz von Papen." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Unexpectedly some Senate Dems are ready to work with Trump and the GOP What a difference a few weeks makes. Right up until the morning of November 8th the two parties were lined up in the political equivalent of trenches on the western front in WW1. You’d have been hard pressed to find a Democrat anywhere in the nation who wasn’t ready to declare open rhetorical warfare on Donald Trump and anyone agreeing with a single policy he endorsed. But now, with the dust largely settled, there’s a particular group of Democrats in the Senate who suddenly are finding common ground to be a good thing and are ready to work across the aisle. (The Hill) North Dakota Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.) is ready to work with Republicans on legislation to invest in “clean coal” technologies. More broadly, she says she’s willing to work across the aisle on regulatory reform… Sen. Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.) is ready to work with the GOP and the Trump administration on military mental healthcare issues, curbing the exodus of U.S. jobs to foreign countries and combating the opioid epidemic… Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.) hopes to work with Republicans to reduce the deficit, clean up Washington by stopping former lawmakers from becoming lobbyists and passing legislation to improve service at the Department of Veterans Affairs, a major Trump talking point during the campaign. Those three are joined by Joe Manchin, Bob Casey and Sherrod Brown, all of whom have some ideas about a legislative agenda which could line up nicely with the GOP’s priorities. And Chuck Schumer isn’t doing anything to tamp them down either. Have you already guessed what they all have in common? For one very good hint, just take a look at this map of 2018 Senate seats which are up for grabs. More at the link: One trait of being a successful business person (especially in RE investing) is being a master negotiator. Something that has been lacking in DC for quite some time now and really what a lot of the position of POTUS is all about. Now this is not to say Trump is a master negotiator but this is why many of us have been saying for a long time getting someone in there with a business background is important. Only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 One trait of being a successful business person (especially in RE investing) is being a master negotiator. Something that has been lacking in DC for quite some time now and really what a lot of the position of POTUS is all about. Now this is not to say Trump is a master negotiator but this is why many of us have been saying for a long time getting someone in there with a business background is important. Only time will tell. That's why Mitt Romney was a good choice. And Obama a poor one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Ding! Ding! Ding! Winner winner chicken dinner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 That's why Mitt Romney was a good choice. And Obama a poor one. Having a bidness background sure worked for W Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Having a bidness background sure worked for W Bush. It did. Bush was a quality executive. That isn't diminished by a war you disliked. The two are separate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 It did. Bush was a quality executive. That isn't diminished by a war you disliked. The two are separate. Unfortunately, you can't separate them. The grotesque mismanagement of the run-up to Gulf War 1 Act 2 is central to his administration, and compounded by his executive leadership (specifically, by delegating to the likes of Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Ashcroft without sufficiently directing them or controlling their egos.) Which is too bad, because if you take out OIF, his foreign policy was surprisingly sound. And if you take that out, and remember that he had probably the MOST snakebit presidency in history (bookended by the worst attack on the US in some 200 years, and the worst economic crisis in 90 years, with the worst natural disaster to ever hit the US in the middle), his presidency was surprisingly competent. But you can't cherry-pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Unfortunately, you can't separate them. The grotesque mismanagement of the run-up to Gulf War 1 Act 2 is central to his administration, and compounded by his executive leadership (specifically, by delegating to the likes of Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Ashcroft without sufficiently directing them or controlling their egos.) Which is too bad, because if you take out OIF, his foreign policy was surprisingly sound. And if you take that out, and remember that he had probably the MOST snakebit presidency in history (bookended by the worst attack on the US in some 200 years, and the worst economic crisis in 90 years, with the worst natural disaster to ever hit the US in the middle), his presidency was surprisingly competent. But you can't cherry-pick. I think you can in regards to foreign vs. domestic policy. His domestic policy was, as you said, very competent. His mismanagement in the Gulf doesn't change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 It did. Bush was a quality executive. That isn't diminished by a war you disliked. The two are separate. Other than the shooting, how did you like the play Mrs. Lincoln? I also seem to recall the brilliant executive leaving the economy in shambles. All due to his great executiveness no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Other than the shooting, how did you like the play Mrs. Lincoln? I also seem to recall the brilliant executive leaving the economy in shambles. All due to his great executiveness no doubt. You need to gain an understanding of the causes of the "Great Recession". Read up on the CRA for starters. When you've done that see who practically begged Congress to reign in the risky practices associated with it. Your disdain for anyone associated with a "yes" vote for the Iraqi war is blinding you in other areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 You need to gain an understanding of the causes of the "Great Recession". Read up on the CRA for starters. When you've done that see who practically begged Congress to reign in the risky practices associated with it. Your disdain for anyone associated with a "yes" vote for the Iraqi war is blinding you in other areas. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 Other than the shooting, how did you like the play Mrs. Lincoln? I also seem to recall the brilliant executive leaving the economy in shambles. All due to his great executiveness no doubt. Please explain, in detail, how Bush was responsible for the Great Recession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 http://www.mediaite.com/online/loss-of-citizenship-or-year-in-jail-trump-incredibly-says-burning-flag-must-have-consequences/ Donald J. Trump ✔@realDonaldTrump Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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