BobChalmers Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) both guys stink it up about the same magnitude, just in different ways. Even this is a completely FALSE STATEMENT, and I am seriously sick of seeing it repeated, presumably in ignorance. Please look at the stats and reconsider. Matt Cassel two games, QBR 62.3, 61.6, 2 losses (NYG 4-4, SEA 4-4), 324 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT EJ Manuel, two games, QBR 81.7, 75.3, 2 losses (CIN 7-0, JAX 2-5), 561 yards, 3 TD, 3 INT Cassel has brought almost no value whatsoever to his team. Manuel has played mediocre football behind a poor and injured OL and missing the team's top two WR. BUT Manuel has been CLEARLY BETTER than Cassel. Edited November 2, 2015 by BobChalmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Even this is a completely FALSE STATEMENT, and I am seriously sick of seeing it repeated, presumably in ignorance. Please look at the stats and reconsider. Matt Cassel two games, QBR 62.3, 61.6, 2 losses (NYG 4-4, SEA 4-4), 324 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT EJ Manuel, two games, QBR 81.7, 75.3, 2 losses (CIN 7-0, JAX 2-5), 561 yards, 3 TD, 3 INT Cassel has brought almost no value whatsoever to his team. Manuel has played mediocre football behind a poor and injured OL and missing the team's top two WR. BUT Manuel has been CLEARLY BETTER than Cassel. All I can suggest is that you try to ignore those who keep trolling that EJ sucks and is a complete failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Even this is a completely FALSE STATEMENT, and I am seriously sick of seeing it repeated, presumably in ignorance. Please look at the stats and reconsider. Matt Cassel two games, QBR 62.3, 61.6, 2 losses (NYG 4-4, SEA 4-4), 324 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT EJ Manuel, two games, QBR 81.7, 75.3, 2 losses (CIN 7-0, JAX 2-5), 561 yards, 3 TD, 3 INT Cassel has brought almost no value whatsoever to his team. Manuel has played mediocre football behind a poor and injured OL and missing the team's top two WR. BUT Manuel has been CLEARLY BETTER than Cassel. I think Manuel's performance vs Cincy is clearly the best of the 4 performances and really it is not even close. His performance against Jacksonville was every bit as bad as Cassel's performances though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I think Manuel's performance vs Cincy is clearly the best of the 4 performances and really it is not even close. His performance against Jacksonville was every bit as bad as Cassel's performances though. And it was such a shame, with the STELLAR support he got from the defense and special teams :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Which is only 20 more than Aaron Rodgers managed last night....... In all fairness Denver looks like the best defense in the league this year under Wade Phillips, better than Seattle's. Cassell had no easy task himself, but to compare Rodgers and Cassell in any form is ludicrous *Mike Tyson voice* Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) I believe if EJ took a knee on every play we still would have won the game. The real truth is that Cassel sucks less than EJ. But still sucks. Edited November 2, 2015 by BuffaloMatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I still believe that if we started Cassel against the jags we win that game. No doubt about it here. This wasn't against the Giants D in NY or the Seattle D after being on the team for a few weeks, it was against the Jax D on a neutral field after being with this staff since training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) No doubt about it here. This wasn't against the Giants D in NY or the Seattle D after being on the team for a few weeks, it was against the Jax D on a neutral field after being with this staff since training camp. Geezus. Can we just agree that they both suck? I think there are some games/teams that EJM might match up better against, and some that Cassel might do better against....so what? Wringing hands over these 2 guys is ridiculous, because these Bills find so many ways to lose, that anyone can ruin a game for them. The coach, a QB, a backup safety, a fumbler, a ball- dropper, a kicker, a special teams penalty specialist....these guys find a way. There is no way to know how Cassel would have fared, and no way to know who else might have stepped forward to contribute to a loss if Cassel played. Anyone backing either Cassel or EJM in any way at this point, is just being ridiculous. Edited November 2, 2015 by HoF Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Payback for giving us Orton😝 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Are we still supposed to want Whaley fired for trading him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 therefore Matt Cassel is better then Aaron Rodgers! he's a WITCH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarRifleman Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 He is worse than Trent Edwards. Yes I was an EJ supporter and he let me down. But Cassel is horrible. Worse than EJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I still believe that if we started Cassel against the jags we win that game. No doubt about it here. This wasn't against the Giants D in NY or the Seattle D after being on the team for a few weeks, it was against the Jax D on a neutral field after being with this staff since training camp. So easy to say because of EJ's dreaded five minutes in the 2nd quarter of that Jax game, but in truth it is impossible to prove. The Bills led Jacksonville by 4 pts. with 5:00 to go, with the Jags on their own 16 yard line. Behind this defense, that should be a W. Who is to say how many points the Bills' offense would have scored with Cassel at the helm? Judging by his performances with Dallas can anyone say with certainty it would have been more than 17? If anything, it's actually more likely the Bills would have been less than a TD ahead in the 4th quarter -- just like they were with EJ -- with Cassel playing QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Even this is a completely FALSE STATEMENT, and I am seriously sick of seeing it repeated, presumably in ignorance. Please look at the stats and reconsider. Matt Cassel two games, QBR 62.3, 61.6, 2 losses (NYG 4-4, SEA 4-4), 324 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT EJ Manuel, two games, QBR 81.7, 75.3, 2 losses (CIN 7-0, JAX 2-5), 561 yards, 3 TD, 3 INT Cassel has brought almost no value whatsoever to his team. Manuel has played mediocre football behind a poor and injured OL and missing the team's top two WR. BUT Manuel has been CLEARLY BETTER than Cassel. Cassel also had only 2 weeks to learn a completely new offence on a different team that he had no experience with no with. EJ was with this team for the off-season to learn the teams play book and has prior experience working with all of the offence except for the RBs and one of the WRs. I'm not saying Cassel is better, but also not saying he is much worse considering the circumstances we are comparing them too. It's not exactly apples to apples. EJs play has been horrible, and yet there are many here complementing him for coming back after the dumpster fire first half in the last game where he still only lead the offence to 2 total tds and some FGs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 All Cassel vs. EJ talk should be officially put to rest, now that both have had two starts and both have two losses. This just in -- they're both subpar. If I was a Dallas fan I'd be pulling my hair out. I watched the end of both of their games and Cassel's inability to even try to make a play downfield is embarrassing. The local Buffalo media crucifying Whaley for moving Cassel should put their smartphones and laptops away. Hopefully both Taylor and Romo are healthy soon, and these other two QBs can go to the bench where they belong. hear hear. Whaley is on a huge hot streak with FAs brought in and players let go. Let the man do his job. Didn't even have a first this year and gets two key starters in Darby and Miller bam just like that. Clay deal is a clear winner. McCoy is better than Spiller and Fred ever were. Kiko may not even make it back all the way from injury. Getting Rex, who got TMobile saved the season from a QB perspective. Signing Dareus and grabbing IK to replace Mario next year (so his $$ can pay Bradham and Gilmore) was inspired. These guys are good. Now if we can just get these players ON THE FIELD we'll be all set. Go bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 So easy to say because of EJ's dreaded five minutes in the 2nd quarter of that Jax game, but in truth it is impossible to prove. The Bills led Jacksonville by 4 pts. with 5:00 to go, with the Jags on their own 16 yard line. Behind this defense, that should be a W. Who is to say how many points the Bills' offense would have scored with Cassel at the helm? Judging by his performances with Dallas can anyone say with certainty it would have been more than 17? If anything, it's actually more likely the Bills would have been less than a TD ahead in the 4th quarter -- just like they were with EJ -- with Cassel playing QB. But would Cassel, being on this team all of training camp and knowing the playbook have given the bills that same wonderful 5 minutes that EJ did putting the Bills behind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 But would Cassel, being on this team all of training camp and knowing the playbook have given the bills that same wonderful 5 minutes that EJ did putting the Bills behind? Straw man argument. Perhaps Cassel wouldn't have given the Jags 14 straight points (and a short field), but maybe the Bills would only have scored 10 themselves. That's the point. EJ actually made big plays on offense to bring them back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rstencel Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 But someone from bills once said at beginning of training camp that he was their favorite, so he has to be the best they had this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 You can chalk it up to it being one of the worst 0:07 in football history, but that doesn't mean it didn't all of a sudden happen. Taking four steps forward and five steps backward is still a step in the wrong direction. And it wasn't just those seven seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Straw man argument. Perhaps Cassel wouldn't have given the Jags 14 straight points (and a short field), but maybe the Bills would only have scored 10 themselves. That's the point. EJ actually made big plays on offense to bring them back. I don't think EJ is good, but he has a big arm. Cassel couldn't make either of the TD throws Manuel made against Jax. He has a rag arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I don't think EJ is good, but he has a big arm. Cassel couldn't make either of the TD throws Manuel made against Jax. He has a rag arm. Yep. It's as if some are arguing over whether they would rather be up on the Jags 31-27 (EJ) or 13-10 (Cassel) in the 4th quarter. It's the same boat, folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 EJM is a home run hitter who strikes out a lot. Matt Cassel is a bunter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 All Cassel vs. EJ talk should be officially put to rest, now that both have had two starts and both have two losses. This just in -- they're both subpar. If I was a Dallas fan I'd be pulling my hair out. I watched the end of both of their games and Cassel's inability to even try to make a play downfield is embarrassing. The local Buffalo media crucifying Whaley for moving Cassel should put their smartphones and laptops away. Hopefully both Taylor and Romo are healthy soon, and these other two QBs can go to the bench where they belong. If they were truely smart phones they would stop working for Buffalo media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Even this is a completely FALSE STATEMENT, and I am seriously sick of seeing it repeated, presumably in ignorance. Please look at the stats and reconsider. Matt Cassel two games, QBR 62.3, 61.6, 2 losses (NYG 4-4, SEA 4-4), 324 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT EJ Manuel, two games, QBR 81.7, 75.3, 2 losses (CIN 7-0, JAX 2-5), 561 yards, 3 TD, 3 INT Cassel has brought almost no value whatsoever to his team. Manuel has played mediocre football behind a poor and injured OL and missing the team's top two WR. BUT Manuel has been CLEARLY BETTER than Cassel. This is like saying chlamydia is better than gonorrhea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 EJM is a home run hitter who strikes out a lot. Matt Cassel is a bunter. Even a bunter has to move the bat a little. Maybe more like a bat-holder told to just stand there and collect a walk. "Whatever you do, son, don't swing the bat!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Even this is a completely FALSE STATEMENT, and I am seriously sick of seeing it repeated, presumably in ignorance. Please look at the stats and reconsider. Matt Cassel two games, QBR 62.3, 61.6, 2 losses (NYG 4-4, SEA 4-4), 324 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT EJ Manuel, two games, QBR 81.7, 75.3, 2 losses (CIN 7-0, JAX 2-5), 561 yards, 3 TD, 3 INT Cassel has brought almost no value whatsoever to his team. Manuel has played mediocre football behind a poor and injured OL and missing the team's top two WR. BUT Manuel has been CLEARLY BETTER than Cassel. You can't not factor in the fumbles into your comparison. Manuel has had two really bad fumbles. The Bills luckily recovered one, but the other resulted in defensive TD. That was all on Manuel. Those fumble stats don't show up in QB rating, but you have to build them into any assessment. EJM is a home run hitter who strikes out a lot. Matt Cassel is a bunter. Dave Kingman vs. Mark Belanger, in other words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 You can't not factor in the fumbles into your comparison. Manuel has had two really bad fumbles. The Bills luckily recovered one, but the other resulted in defensive TD. That was all on Manuel. Those fumble stats don't show up in QB rating, but you have to build them into any assessment. Dave Kingman vs. Mark Belanger, in other words. You can't not factor in the fumbles into your comparison. Manuel has had two really bad fumbles. The Bills luckily recovered one, but the other resulted in defensive TD. That was all on Manuel. Those fumble stats don't show up in QB rating, but you have to build them into any assessment. Dave Kingman vs. Mark Belanger, in other words. I still don't think the fumble that went for a TD was all on EJ. The protection was bad, McCoy missed his assignment and it resulted in a bad play. I don't absolve him totally, but I don't think that was all on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Everyone still making signs to fire Whaley. That thread was a knee jerk reaction, and now he looks like a genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Everyone still making signs to fire Whaley. That thread was a knee jerk reaction, and now he looks like a genius. If you're referring to the thread I started, it wasn't really a knee jerk reaction. I wasn't advocating his firing at all; I was simply surmising that there was friction between him and a coach who doesn't report to him, and that if Cassel played well, it might have an impact on his future (and I said "if"). I've long said that Cassel isn't good, but I didn't know how he was going to perform because I'm no expert. I still think that Whaley's future with the Bills is very much up in the air. He's employed for two more months, and I've heard nothing about an extension. He doesn't look like a genius to me in any case; I think he's an average GM who is overcriticized by many and overpraised by others. The Bills' roster is OK overall (not great), as is evidenced by their mediocre/average ratings in pretty much every major category. Every team has good players, after all. The Bills' premier d-line and corners are counterbalanced by their weak o-line and nondescript LB corps, for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 still mind boggling that so many Bills fans we're pissed at Whaley for trading Cassel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) If I had a penny for every time people here say MC is better than EJ I'd be a millionaire If I had a penny for every time people here say EJ sucks I'd be a billionaire Edited November 4, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 still mind boggling that so many Bills fans we're pissed at Whaley for trading Cassel. That seemed to be a Buffalo sports media thing more than the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Okay people.... it was a joke. I am not saying Matt Cassel is good because Rodgers only threw for 77 yards... it was a joke. As Rodgers himself once said R-E-L-A-X. Could you imagine what Cassell would look like against that Denver D? I'm thinking fake an injury before half time bad.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 That seemed to be a Buffalo sports media thing more than the fans. Oh you haven't met firechan and oldschool ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Oh you haven't met firechan and oldschool ? There are always exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Oh you haven't met firechan and oldschool ? Isn't firechan one of the media people? He seems as clueless. I'd not see his posts but someone keeps quoting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baltos best Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) Nothing for nothing but how much did Dez Bryant play in those 2 games with Cassel? Even this is a completely FALSE STATEMENT, and I am seriously sick of seeing it repeated, presumably in ignorance. Please look at the stats and reconsider. Matt Cassel two games, QBR 62.3, 61.6, 2 losses (NYG 4-4, SEA 4-4), 324 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT EJ Manuel, two games, QBR 81.7, 75.3, 2 losses (CIN 7-0, JAX 2-5), 561 yards, 3 TD, 3 INT Cassel has brought almost no value whatsoever to his team. Manuel has played mediocre football behind a poor and injured OL and missing the team's top two WR. BUT Manuel has been CLEARLY BETTER than Cassel. Edited November 4, 2015 by Baltos best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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