Freddie's Dead Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 If you don't think that getting a 5th for Cassel is a good deal, you are WOEFULLY misinformed about the general draft pick trade value for players. Only a team in desperate QB need would even remotely consider giving up a 5th for him. The Bills got MAXIMUM value. I'm fine with the 5th. I just don't understand why we had to give them Cassel AND a 7th for the 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Hope Cassel can meet the conditions for the Bills to receive a 5th rd pick. Have not seen the fine print yet. Considering he was cut by the Bills before start of season and no team signed him was a good deal for Buffalo. Good players walk away FAs all the time for nothing in return. Well done Doug Whaley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Are there conditions to this? Sounds like a straight up Cassell & 2017 7th rounder for Cowboys 2017 5th rounder. Hope Cassel can meet the conditions for the Bills to receive a 5th rd pick. Have not seen the fine print yet. Considering he was cut by the Bills before start of season and no team signed him was a good deal for Buffalo. Good players walk away FAs all the time for nothing in return. Well done Doug Whaley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Are there conditions to this? Sounds like a straight up Cassell & 2017 7th rounder for Cowboys 2017 5th rounder. @JasonLaCanfora: The Bills will receive a conditional 2017 draft pick from the Cowboys for back-up QB Matt Cassel. I hope its a straight up trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 So in the past 14 days we have cut cassel, signed him, started him, and traded him. Hilarious and true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 On the face of it, this trade makes little sense. Given that the 5th we're getting is two years from now, Cassel alone should have been plenty. Why would we have to also cough up a 7th? I hope the early reports are wrong, because Cassel and a 7th for a 5th two years from now does not seem like a good trade. Cowboys don't have a 5th or 6th next year. So we waited for the next one available. Good deal for dead weight, especially if he's miffed about Tyrod getting the job. Cant teach an old dog new tricks. Why are any of you acting like Matt Cassel was gonna make a positive impact on this team? Not a big loss IMO. 7th into 5th is a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 I'm fine with the 5th. I just don't understand why we had to give them Cassel AND a 7th for the 5th. The 7th in 2 years is worth near literally nothing. If that's hanging you up you must not sleep at night when you see people not bend over to pick up a penny on the sidewalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Bills 5th round draft selections going back to 2000: Karlos Williams Cyril Richardson Jonathan Meeks Zebrie Sanders Tank Carder Johnny White Ed Wang Nic Harris Alvin Bowen KYLE WILLIAMS Brad Butler Eric King Ben Sobieski Justin Bannan Marques Sullivan Sammy Morris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Bills 5th round draft selections going back to 2000: Karlos Williams Cyril Richardson Jonathan Meeks Zebrie Sanders Tank Carder Johnny White Ed Wang Nic Harris Alvin Bowen KYLE WILLIAMS Brad Butler Eric King Ben Sobieski Justin Bannan Marques Sullivan Sammy Morris i thought Duke was in the 5th and Meeks in the 6th in 2013. Fwiw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Bills 5th round draft selections going back to 2000: Karlos Williams Cyril Richardson Jonathan Meeks Zebrie Sanders Tank Carder Johnny White Ed Wang Nic Harris Alvin Bowen KYLE WILLIAMS Brad Butler Eric King Ben Sobieski Justin Bannan Marques Sullivan Sammy Morris Not a bad list. Morris, Bannan, Butler were major contributors. Kyle Williams is All Pro. The book is still out on Karlos, Meeks, Richardson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Hope Cassel can meet the conditions for the Bills to receive a 5th rd pick. Have not seen the fine print yet. Considering he was cut by the Bills before start of season and no team signed him was a good deal for Buffalo. Good players walk away FAs all the time for nothing in return. Well done Doug Whaley i don't think there are any conditions. It's a 5th in 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 i don't think there are any conditions. It's a 5th in 2017. Thanks , thats good news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) I'm fine with the 5th. I just don't understand why we had to give them Cassel AND a 7th for the 5th.i am guessing that it is so they have something tangible from the trade after this season. They don't even expect Cassel to play. They are signing him to back up Weeden for 2 months. If no one gets hurt he will be cut after that. If Weeden gets hurt he's gone in February. That's too little ROI for a 5th round pick in any year. Edited September 23, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 oh sure, you take Yolo's word for it, but throw JasonLaCanfora in my face when I say the same thing....FINE!!!! Be that way... Thanks , thats good news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Over/under on how many pages till this becomes another EJ thread? Since you already started the "EJ" thing on page 1, I'll go with under 2 pages. That doesn't even make any sense. Sure it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 i thought Duke was in the 5th and Meeks in the 6th in 2013. Fwiw. Duke was 4th and Meeks was 5th. Hopkins was 6th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 23, 2015 Author Share Posted September 23, 2015 @TBNSports Vic Carucci's 3 #Bills thoughts this morning: QB, QB & ... QB. @viccarucci at BN Blitz: http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/09/23/vic-caruccis-3-bills-thoughts-manuel-moves-up/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 I've heard more than once, admittedly on this board(and probably in this thread) that Manuel WAS the #2 QB and that in case TT got hurt, Cassell was going in to finish the game and that if need be EJ would be the next game starter...anyone know the real story behind the QB depth up until yesterday? @TBNSports Vic Carucci's 3 #Bills thoughts this morning: QB, QB & ... QB. @viccarucci at BN Blitz: http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/09/23/vic-caruccis-3-bills-thoughts-manuel-moves-up/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 @TBNSports Vic Carucci's 3 #Bills thoughts this morning: QB, QB & ... QB. @viccarucci at BN Blitz: http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/09/23/vic-caruccis-3-bills-thoughts-manuel-moves-up/ Poor, poor Vic. He's had some of the most negative takes on Taylor's play from Sunday, and he just still can't get over "his boy" Cassel being traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Wow. So it WAS Cassel who gave the P*A*T*S* his playbook. Justice is swift at OBD! Farewell Benedict Cassel. Ha - that's the first thing I thought - now the Pats** won't have our gameplan the next time we play them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 oh sure, you take Yolo's word for it, but throw JasonLaCanfora in my face when I say the same thing....FINE!!!! Be that way... Yolo is only the gold standard for news , but now Poojer is right up there I thought a 5th was too good to be true . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 A 3rd Kicker just for Extra Points. This was funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 23, 2015 Author Share Posted September 23, 2015 This was funny #Rogue, but oh so "Innovative". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Dear Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 I know i am.My biggest worry this year was Tyrod going down and meh coming in.Mine too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 After listening to Cassell talk about why he took the pay cut in Buffalo....his wife was 8 months with child.....and he wanted to stay as a move wasn't in the best interests of his family, and that he had a number of calls when he was a free agent. So, he signs for a lot less money......and then Whaley trades him to Dallas. Now, it crosses my mind, that he just might refuse to report, stay in Buffalo with his wife to have the child...and resume his career next season. And, were I him, I would feel that Whaley treated him poorly in this situation as the series of events played out. So, if he is vindictive, and has made enough money (11 years in the league as a QB, yes he is a millionaire many times over), he might also stay out of football the rest of the season to spite Whaley (and the Bills)....and they won't get the 5th round choice. So, imho, I am wondering if he will report to Dallas at all. At the very least, he might hold out for a restoration of salary to its prior level. Going to watch this one...not sure we have heard the last of this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) After listening to Cassell talk about why he took the pay cut in Buffalo....his wife was 8 months with child.....and he wanted to stay as a move wasn't in the best interests of his family, and that he had a number of calls when he was a free agent. So, he signs for a lot less money......and then Whaley trades him to Dallas. Now, it crosses my mind, that he just might refuse to report, stay in Buffalo with his wife to have the child...and resume his career next season. And, were I him, I would feel that Whaley treated him poorly in this situation as the series of events played out. So, if he is vindictive, and has made enough money (11 years in the league as a QB, yes he is a millionaire many times over), he might also stay out of football the rest of the season to spite Whaley (and the Bills)....and they won't get the 5th round choice. So, imho, I am wondering if he will report to Dallas at all. At the very least, he might hold out for a restoration of salary to its prior level. Going to watch this one...not sure we have heard the last of this situation. I don't know... at the time he was cut, he had a choice, and made that choice based on family. Plus he may have made more $ in Buffalo than the other teams who had interest, we don't know what they were offering. But you don't always have a choice in the NFL, you can be traded at any time unless you have a no-trade clause. Players understand this. It comes with the territory of being an NFL player. I feel bad for his family situation too, but Whaley made the trade because his responsibility is managing the assets of a football team. Edited September 23, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) At the end of the day, it is not the biggest deal in the world, but I would have thought that the Bills would have gotten a 5th in 2016 straight up. Instead (according to reports): 2015 Cowboys get Cassel 2016 No compensation either way 2017 Bills essentially move up two late rounds (approximately 60 late round picks) to Cowboys 5th round pick in exchange for our 7th round pick. Given the very limited compensation that we will receive in a year and one-half, was it worthwhile even making this deal from the Bills' perspective? Would we have been better off keeping a veteran QB as a back up and a low salary? Was there something else going on? Edited September 23, 2015 by Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) At the end of the day, it is not the biggest deal in the world, but I would have thought that the Bills would have gotten a 5th in 2016 straight up. Instead: 2015 Cowboys get Cassel 2016 No compensation either way 2017 Bills essentially move up two rounds (approximately 60 late round picks). Given the very limited compensation that we will receive in a year and one-half, was it worthwhile even making this deal from the Bills' perspective? Would we have been better off keeping a veteran QB as a back up and a low salary? Was there something else going on? you also save money, which is nice. and a roster spot. and get the 60 spots in the draft later. in 2015 the bills will get some player that they are about to sign. Edited September 23, 2015 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) At the end of the day, it is not the biggest deal in the world, but I would have thought that the Bills would have gotten a 5th in 2016 straight up. Instead: 2015 Cowboys get Cassel 2016 No compensation either way 2017 Bills essentially move up two rounds (approximately 60 late round picks). Given the very limited compensation that we will receive in a year and one-half, was it worthwhile even making this deal from the Bills' perspective? Would we have been better off keeping a veteran QB as a back up and a low salary? Was there something else going on? I don't think he would have been worth a 2016 5th. He's coming in as their 3rd QB, essentially, and is a FA at the end of the season. They may only have him for 2 months before Romo comes back. The Bills got what they could. As far as 2015, they did have a vet QB here for about 7 months, through OTAs and TC, and 2 weeks of the season, which could only help the young QBs who remain. Edited September 23, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leroi Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 After listening to Cassell talk about why he took the pay cut in Buffalo....his wife was 8 months with child.....and he wanted to stay as a move wasn't in the best interests of his family, and that he had a number of calls when he was a free agent. So, he signs for a lot less money......and then Whaley trades him to Dallas. Now, it crosses my mind, that he just might refuse to report, stay in Buffalo with his wife to have the child...and resume his career next season. And, were I him, I would feel that Whaley treated him poorly in this situation as the series of events played out. So, if he is vindictive, and has made enough money (11 years in the league as a QB, yes he is a millionaire many times over), he might also stay out of football the rest of the season to spite Whaley (and the Bills)....and they won't get the 5th round choice. So, imho, I am wondering if he will report to Dallas at all. At the very least, he might hold out for a restoration of salary to its prior level. Going to watch this one...not sure we have heard the last of this situation. This is a shrewd business, Rhino skin is needed to work for the NFL. Not reporting is career suicide, he will report and I wouldn't be surprised if he plays in the playoffs before we do. Imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 This is a shrewd business, Rhino skin is needed to work for the NFL. Not reporting is career suicide, he will report and I wouldn't be surprised if he plays in the playoffs before we do. Imo Because they'll be a wildcard and we'll have a 1st round bye! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Duke was 4th and Meeks was 5th. Hopkins was 6th. Thanks - this just makes me hate Duke even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 i am guessing that it is so they have something tangible from the trade after this season. They don't even expect Cassel to play. They are signing him to back up Weeden for 2 months. If no one gets hurt he will be cut after that. If Weeden gets hurt he's gone in February. That's too little ROI for a 5th round pick in any year. Thank you for 'splainin' that Luthy, makes sense. In those terms, Cassel's worth = lower than whale **** in the bottom of the ocean. After listening to Cassell talk about why he took the pay cut in Buffalo....his wife was 8 months with child.....and he wanted to stay as a move wasn't in the best interests of his family, and that he had a number of calls when he was a free agent. So, he signs for a lot less money......and then Whaley trades him to Dallas. Now, it crosses my mind, that he just might refuse to report, stay in Buffalo with his wife to have the child...and resume his career next season. And, were I him, I would feel that Whaley treated him poorly in this situation as the series of events played out. So, if he is vindictive, and has made enough money (11 years in the league as a QB, yes he is a millionaire many times over), he might also stay out of football the rest of the season to spite Whaley (and the Bills)....and they won't get the 5th round choice. So, imho, I am wondering if he will report to Dallas at all. At the very least, he might hold out for a restoration of salary to its prior level. Going to watch this one...not sure we have heard the last of this situation. No doubt about it, Whaley is a dick. But he's our dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 I think it's stupid to unload Cassel! We may need him!!! If and when TT goee down, I think Matt had the experience to not get us in trouble! AND, all we got were 2017 draft picks. How about something now???? Trade makes perfect sense. Rex has control over the game-day roster and didn't feel EJ was worthy of dressing. OTOH, Whaley's rep hangs in the balance (he hasn't been re-signed) and much of that is related to the Manuel selection. Of course "Trader Doug" has no qualms trading the veteran QB to essentially a super-rookie starter. And so now Manuel gets to dress. Which means if Taylor struggles, Manuel's the only option left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Deal is fine. We would never get anything more than a 5th for Cassel. Some 5th rounders make it like Karlos Williams. He was never going to light it up for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 23, 2015 Author Share Posted September 23, 2015 Thurman Thomas: Whaley "has done an oustanding job" (13:42)Bills Hall of Fame running back Thurman Thomas called in to The John Murphy Show to discuss the trade of quarterback Matt Cassel, the game against the Patriots, and his thoughts on this weekend's matchup in Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Thanks - this just makes me hate Duke even more. Never fear, the Meeks will inherit the earth...if Duke doesn't get his act together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 At the end of the day, it is not the biggest deal in the world, but I would have thought that the Bills would have gotten a 5th in 2016 straight up. Dallas was the team in immediate need of a QB and they didn't have a 2016 5th round to give. They traded it for Brice Butler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Trade makes perfect sense. Rex has control over the game-day roster and didn't feel EJ was worthy of dressing. OTOH, Whaley's rep hangs in the balance (he hasn't been re-signed) and much of that is related to the Manuel selection. Of course "Trader Doug" has no qualms trading the veteran QB to essentially a super-rookie starter. And so now Manuel gets to dress. Which means if Taylor struggles, Manuel's the only option left. When I read your posts, I always think of this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_realism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 After listening to Cassell talk about why he took the pay cut in Buffalo....his wife was 8 months with child.....and he wanted to stay as a move wasn't in the best interests of his family, and that he had a number of calls when he was a free agent. So, he signs for a lot less money......and then Whaley trades him to Dallas. Now, it crosses my mind, that he just might refuse to report, stay in Buffalo with his wife to have the child...and resume his career next season. And, were I him, I would feel that Whaley treated him poorly in this situation as the series of events played out. So, if he is vindictive, and has made enough money (11 years in the league as a QB, yes he is a millionaire many times over), he might also stay out of football the rest of the season to spite Whaley (and the Bills)....and they won't get the 5th round choice. So, imho, I am wondering if he will report to Dallas at all. At the very least, he might hold out for a restoration of salary to its prior level. Going to watch this one...not sure we have heard the last of this situation. I think he will move to Dallas . Hire a cute illegal nanny and housekeeper to help out his wife. Orton walking away from big money is still a mystery to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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