The Poojer Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 oh sure...he fails in THAT attempt...wtf??? The shooter is not dead yet. In critical condition from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Being helicoptered to a trauma center now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I may have misread Wooderson's post, but I thought he was saying that he watched the video that the shooter had posted. That one would more than likely show you where his initial shots were directed. I know I have no interest in watching that, but if someone actually did, they might as well end the stupid fight so we don't have to read it anymore. I'm not sure which video he watched. I would be interested in seeing the video from the shooter's perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 oh sure...he fails in THAT attempt...wtf??? It's actually easy to mess up killing yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I'm not sure which video he watched. I would be interested in seeing the video from the shooter's perspective. It was the shooter's perspective. He walked up the boardwalk with gun drawn. None of the 3 people even noticed that he was standing there. He had the gun pointed at the female reporter for a good 5-7 seconds before he actually fired. It looked to me like he might've missed the first shot, but then she reacted and started to run and he shot off several more rounds before turning to the cameraman. The video was facing her for the most part so the rest was unknown. It was a :30 video which the shooting probably started at :15. I'm almost positive twitter removed it. Somehow I just happened to see it posted 3 mins after he posted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 26, 2015 Author Share Posted August 26, 2015 Very mentally ill is better, if you have to throw a label on the situation. Nope, I still say Coward. Mentally Ill or not, he knew what he was doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Nope, I still say Coward. Mentally Ill or not, he knew what he was doing. Well from a legal perspective, if he was legally mentally ill, he would not have known what he was doing. But I don't want to get into that. I understand the coward reaction to this sort of thing. It's just a coping mechanism for dealing with something that confronts us and which we find horrific and reprehensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 oh sure...he fails in THAT attempt...wtf??? It's surprising how many people survive self-inflicted gunshot wounds. I mean, it's not a lot...but it's quite a bit more than you would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 It's surprising how many people survive self-inflicted gunshot wounds. I mean, it's not a lot...but it's quite a bit more than you would think. I went to school with someone who survived a suicide attempt with a shotgun blast to the mouth. I was back east many years ago for my 10 year reunion and he was at a family reunion at the same park (he was a year or two behind me). His face was a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Well from a legal perspective, if he was legally mentally ill, he would not have known what he was doing. But I don't want to get into that. I understand the coward reaction to this sort of thing. It's just a coping mechanism for dealing with something that confronts us and which we find horrific and reprehensible. Or, you know...it's that people think he's a coward for walking up behind a group of unsuspecting people, shooting them, attempting to run away, and then shooting himself when it appears he will be caught. Sorry, not a whole lot of psychological digging needed to figure that one out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 oh i am sure, but i guess i was coming from a more "cosmic karma" type thing...why couldn't the stars or whatever higher body aligned to cause him to fail while shooting the other 3 people. It's surprising how many people survive self-inflicted gunshot wounds. I mean, it's not a lot...but it's quite a bit more than you would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 oh i am sure, but i guess i was coming from a more "cosmic karma" type thing...why couldn't the stars or whatever higher body aligned to cause him to fail while shooting the other 3 people. Oh I hope he survives and spends the rest of his life in a shithole prison with debilitating pain from the attempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Or, you know...it's that people think he's a coward for walking up behind a group of unsuspecting people, shooting them, attempting to run away, and then shooting himself when it appears he will be caught. Sorry, not a whole lot of psychological digging needed to figure that one out. You're pre-supposing that the shooter is sane and thinking the way you were when you wrote your post. I am assuming he is not sane and so labeling him a coward is not really appropriate or correct. Of course, neither of us knows for sure if he is sane or insane. We can guess though based on the information at hand. Oh I hope he survives and spends the rest of his life in a shithole prison with debilitating pain from the attempt. Because that will help his mental illness how? I agree he should be removed from society but throwing him in jail isn't going to bring the people back or do anything positive for anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) You're pre-supposing that the shooter is sane and thinking the way you were when you wrote your post. I am assuming he is not sane and so labeling him a coward is not really appropriate or correct. Of course, neither of us knows for sure if he is sane or insane. We can guess though based on the information at hand. He can't be cowardly and insane? I think you're trying too hard. I don't care at all about his sanity. Edited August 26, 2015 by Acantha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 26, 2015 Author Share Posted August 26, 2015 Oh I hope he survives and spends the rest of his life in a shithole prison with debilitating pain from the attempt. It would be better if he just died. Less tax dollars spent on keeping this assclown alive and fed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 well. he just killed himself. ddn't see that coming... eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 You're pre-supposing that the shooter is sane and thinking the way you were when you wrote your post. I am assuming he is not sane and so labeling him a coward is not really appropriate or correct. Of course, neither of us knows for sure if he is sane or insane. We can guess though based on the information at hand. Because that will help his mental illness how? I agree he should be removed from society but throwing him in jail isn't going to bring the people back or do anything positive for anyone. Everyone has an excuse nowadays. Criminals are criminals. Send his ass to Texas. Sizzle sizzle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 The shooter is not dead yet. In critical condition from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Being helicoptered to a trauma center now. Someday someone will need to explain to me the point of doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Whoa, the GoPro video... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Everyone has an excuse nowadays. Criminals are criminals. Send his ass to Texas. Sizzle sizzle. Mental illness is such a cop out in this one. If he's mentally ill then we might as well say the same exact thing for every single murder out there. This isn't someone shooting up a random movie theater or a school. This is a guy going after a very specific target that he had a history with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 oh i am sure, but i guess i was coming from a more "cosmic karma" type thing...why couldn't the stars or whatever higher body aligned to cause him to fail while shooting the other 3 people. I agree. I thought your observation was humorous, but even my embracing of gallows humor didn't extend as far as responding with a laughing emoji. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Someday someone will need to explain to me the point of doing this. Because it's never the right thing to do, to not try to save a dying human's life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 nsfw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxCWrDGN5s0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Mental illness is such a cop out in this one. If he's mentally ill then we might as well say the same exact thing for every single murder out there. This isn't someone shooting up a random movie theater or a school. This is a guy going after a very specific target that he had a history with. It's not a "cop out." You're confusing "explaining" with "excusing." It's almost certain he was mentally ill (the correlation of suicide to mental illness is almost 1.0 - never lower than .95 in any study I've seen. Even including situations were someone kills themselves rather than face the authorities). That observation in no way absolves him of guilt. Mentally ill people are just as responsible for their actions as anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 26, 2015 Author Share Posted August 26, 2015 It's not a "cop out." You're confusing "explaining" with "excusing." It's almost certain he was mentally ill (the correlation of suicide to mental illness is almost 1.0 - never lower than .95 in any study I've seen. Even including situations were someone kills themselves rather than face the authorities). That observation in no way absolves him of guilt. Mentally ill people are just as responsible for their actions as anyone else. This guy knew exactly what he was doing. He had a F*(*& go pro attached to his head. He pointed the gun at the reporter and the camerman for a good minute before opening fire. It was almost as if he wanted the reporter to look at him as he shot her. He then uploaded this to an online social media site for billions to see. and someone is trying to tell me, he may not have known what he was doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Because that will help his mental illness how? I agree he should be removed from society but throwing him in jail isn't going to bring the people back or do anything positive for anyone. I have no desire to help his mental illness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 26, 2015 Author Share Posted August 26, 2015 I have no desire to help his mental illness. Why is he automatically deemed mentally ill? Cant he just be a really sh**** person who deserves to die. Because it's never the right thing to do, to not try to save a dying human's life. I disagree with this, completely. Whoa, the GoPro video... absolutely sickening, I am kind of mad at myself for watching it. You can tell from the video she was the primary target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Why is he automatically deemed mentally ill? Cant he just be a really sh**** person who deserves to die. I didn't say he was. I have no idea I don't know him from Adam. It was my response to Fadingpain saying him rotting his prison will not help his mental illness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 26, 2015 Author Share Posted August 26, 2015 I didn't say he was. I have no idea I don't know him from Adam. It was my response to Fadingpain saying him rotting his prison will not help his mental illness. Could have worded it better, wasn't directed at you. More of a general question. Everytime there is a shooting, bam shooter is mentally ill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Why is he automatically deemed mentally ill? Cant he just be a really sh**** person who deserves to die. I disagree with this, completely. absolutely sickening, I am kind of mad at myself for watching it. You can tell from the video she was the primary target. I agree. Same here I feel so sick now CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Showed the GoPro video to my wife. She asked to see it. Here was her response: Several things:I'm surprised he got so close, gun in plain sight, and no one noticed;It's a glock;She did a lot of moving around before she (evidently) went down;We need hollow points We take our home invasion course this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) It's not a "cop out." You're confusing "explaining" with "excusing." It's almost certain he was mentally ill (the correlation of suicide to mental illness is almost 1.0 - never lower than .95 in any study I've seen. Even including situations were someone kills themselves rather than face the authorities). That observation in no way absolves him of guilt. Mentally ill people are just as responsible for their actions as anyone else. The bold is exactly what I think this one was. Who knows though. Just once I'd like to actually hear the real story behind one of these scenarios. And as for the study data you're mentioning, what exactly is the definition of "mental illness" there? It's starting to feel like a very broad term that catches just about everything. The numbers your stating aren't really possible as I'm sure there are plenty of mentally ill who do not commit suicide, but I realize that you're trying to say there. edit: And someone at work was just watching the news footage multiple times on their computer without headphones. Some people aren't too bright. Edited August 26, 2015 by shrader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 http://abcnews.go.com/US/shooting-alleged-gunman-details-grievances-suicide-notes/story?id=33336339 In the 23-page document faxed to ABC News, the writer says “MY NAME IS BRYCE WILLIAMS” and his legal name is Vester Lee Flanagan II” He writes what triggered today’s carnage was his reaction to the racism of the Charleston church shooting: “Why did I do it? I put down a deposit for a gun on 6/19/15. The Church shooting in Charleston happened on 6/17/15…” “What sent me over the top was the church shooting. And my hollow point bullets have the victims’ initials on them." #alllivesmatter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 http://abcnews.go.com/US/shooting-alleged-gunman-details-grievances-suicide-notes/story?id=33336339 #alllivesmatter Great a revenge killing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 holy crap http://abcnews.go.com/US/shooting-alleged-gunman-details-grievances-suicide-notes/story?id=33336339 #alllivesmatter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Great a revenge killing. as I put in the PPP thread, it's sad because now people will blame not just guns for the but they'll truly blame Dylann Roof for this. Vester will get sympathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Who in the heck names their child: Vester Lee. I am not defending the creep, but there had to be 41 years of torment. Like Pooj said about names. Throw a middle name Harvey in there and you also got trouble. So freaking sad. Guns yeah! No, guns boo! Not that guns are the real issue. But, what's the final solution? Everybody packing like the Old West? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Great a revenge killing. Unbelievable I don't understand how people let hate dominate their lives. It's exhausting. Live and let live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 holy crap in this sort of underground belly of the world, it is popular online, there is a lot of praise of Cho. Talk from people about "beating Cho's score" and such are very popular. Of course, they want to praise Breivik and beat his 77 kills. It is almost like these socially awkward, dejected and socially rejected people approach their moment as a video game. They see society as the fault for their inadequacies. http://www.youtube.com/verify_controversy?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3DMQUW3Km01BM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 http://abcnews.go.com/US/shooting-alleged-gunman-details-grievances-suicide-notes/story?id=33336339 #alllivesmatter so he was sparked by the coverage of a killing that was committed by someone that was sparked by the trayvon killing/coverage.... great cycle starting here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flomoe Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) nsfw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxCWrDGN5s0 Holy sh*t!! I'm guessing we aren't going to see any protests that "white lives matter" after this. This guy knew what he was doing and who he was targeting. This was racially motivated among other things but I'm sure the media won't be discussing race on this one! Edited August 26, 2015 by flomoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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