dpberr Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Mental health - THE issue of our time. Someday, we'll start paying attention to it in the workplace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) He most likely staked out around the premise of the station and then followed the van to the location. Not saying right or wrong, but in that story there is a picture of a Tweet the boyfriend of the female reporter tweeted out at 9.36 saying how they were in love, they had just moved in together, and he was numb. 3 hours Edited August 26, 2015 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Didn't seem to me like she had any idea what was happening. Looked more like a complete panic and flight reflex. Without even looking in the direction of the gunman she screamed loudly after the first shot in fear, based only on sound. That alone is recognizing the situation and it surprises me. And note how the older woman did not exhibit a flight reflex at all. She went more with the "curl up in a ball and wait to die" approach. As I said, interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Without even looking in the direction of the gunman she screamed loudly after the first shot in fear, based only on sound. That alone is recognizing the situation and it surprises me. And note how the older woman did not exhibit a flight reflex at all. She went more with the "curl up in a ball and wait to die" approach. As I said, interesting. Yet she's currently the only one who lived. Not saying right or wrong, but in that story there is a picture of a Tweet the boyfriend of the female reporter tweeted out at 9.36 saying how they were in love, they had just moved in together, and he was numb. 3 hours I heard about that before I heard about the disgruntled employee; my first thought was someone else probably had a thing for her and found out about them moving in together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Shooter identified: https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Vester+Lee+Flanagan%22&ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Esearch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Without even looking in the direction of the gunman she screamed loudly after the first shot in fear, based only on sound. That alone is recognizing the situation and it surprises me. And note how the older woman did not exhibit a flight reflex at all. She went more with the "curl up in a ball and wait to die" approach. As I said, interesting. No, she was watching the cameraman crumple. And she ran directly away from the cameraman, not the gunman. If I had to guess...she was reacting to seeing the cameraman shot in the head (specifically - and pardon the bluntness - seeing the splatter from the exit wound), and not the gun shot. But hey, we are great at covering the entire football field with an American flag before football games. Don't forget the pre-game flyovers. Gotta have those. (Though honestly, there's no money to be saved there. They double as necessary time-in-type training flights.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Shooter identified: https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Vester+Lee+Flanagan%22&ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Esearch You can't judge a book by its cover, and those still shots aren't super clear, but damn. Vester does look like a sociopathic gunman, doesn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 No, she was watching the cameraman crumple. And she ran directly away from the cameraman, not the gunman. If I had to guess...she was reacting to seeing the cameraman shot in the head (specifically - and pardon the bluntness - seeing the splatter from the exit wound), and not the gun shot. Don't forget the pre-game flyovers. Gotta have those. (Though honestly, there's no money to be saved there. They double as necessary time-in-type training flights.) The camera came to ground level far too gradually and controlled for it to have been a head shot. The cameraman would have dropped like a rock had that happened. You're missing the point. The young female reporter recognized something bad was happening immediately, and her initial scream comes when her head is turned to the interview subject away from the cameraman and the shooter. She reacts initially to sound alone. Watch it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 the alleged shooter is tweeting? claiming the reporter made racist comments??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 The camera came to ground level far too gradually and controlled for it to have been a head shot. The cameraman would have dropped like a rock had that happened. You're missing the point. The young female reporter recognized something bad was happening immediately, and her initial scream comes when her head is turned to the interview subject away from the cameraman and the shooter. She reacts initially to sound alone. Watch it again. If her head was turned how do you know those screams were hers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 The madman recorded the shooting from his perspective and posted it to Twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 at least from that still, he looks so matter of factedly doing it too. but at that time of the morning, who is walking around an amusement park in a dark outfit, armed, and maybe even with cuffs? Maybe maintenance man and what you perceive as cuffs may be keys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 i don't trust people with the middle name lee or wayne....always seems to be trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 The camera came to ground level far too gradually and controlled for it to have been a head shot. The cameraman would have dropped like a rock had that happened. You're missing the point. The young female reporter recognized something bad was happening immediately, and her initial scream comes when her head is turned to the interview subject away from the cameraman and the shooter. She reacts initially to sound alone. Watch it again. I bow to the amateur photo-analyst who's doubtlessly never been shot at before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 If her head was turned how do you know those screams were hers? Because there are only two females anywhere near the scene and the older woman is bigger and has a much deeper voice. The screaming all comes from the young reporter. Also interesting to note is that she continues to scream well after having been shot herself in all likelihood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I bow to the amateur photo-analyst who's doubtlessly never been shot at before. You said you're a physicist. Bow to the laws of physics, not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 You said you're a physicist. Bow to the laws of physics, not me. I bow to the amateur photo-analyst who doubtlessly has never been shot at, and clearly knows jack **** about physics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) I bow to the amateur photo-analyst who doubtlessly has never been shot at, and clearly knows jack **** about physics.I hope you become happier. I see you have a habit, 50,000 + posts long, of arguing with nameless strangers on the internet, playing the role of the grumpy old man, playing contrarian, and generally spewing negativity. Happy, fulfilled, complete people don't do that. Edited August 26, 2015 by Just Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 The madman recorded the shooting from his perspective and posted it to Twitter. I was just gonna write about this. I can't believe I actually watched the video. I'm disgusted with myself and sick to my stomach. I really wasn't sure what I was watching at the start but at the end I wanted to puke. I will be having nightmares about this. RIP to the victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 if it's a former employee, how did he know time and location of news interview? Maybe because morning newscasts like to constantly announce "Coming up in the next half hour, Reporter Blah Blah with a live report from [fill in location]". Or maybe they've been doing reports from there all morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I was just gonna write about this. I can't believe I actually watched the video. I'm disgusted with myself and sick to my stomach. I really wasn't sure what I was watching at the start but at the end I wanted to puke. I will be having nightmares about this. RIP to the victims. I am grateful that I didn't actually watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 me too, not gonna watch it but will still probably have nightmares with the mental images in my head... I am grateful that I didn't actually watch it. hearing he may have just shot himself Virginia State Police just announced he is no longer a threat to the community Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 me too, not gonna watch it but will still probably have nightmares with the mental images in my head... hearing he may have just shot himself Coward Should have just done that first CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I was just gonna write about this. I can't believe I actually watched the video. I'm disgusted with myself and sick to my stomach. I really wasn't sure what I was watching at the start but at the end I wanted to puke. I will be having nightmares about this. RIP to the victims. Since you watched it, I might as well ask. Which side of the petty argument/speculation in this thread is closer to the truth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Since you watched it, I might as well ask. Which side of the petty argument/speculation in this thread is closer to the truth? Neither because none of us where there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Since you watched it, I might as well ask. Which side of the petty argument/speculation in this thread is closer to the truth? Mine, of course. If only because I can count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I am grateful that I didn't actually watch it.i regret watching the first video. The sound of that women screaming has been in my head all morning. Just awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 they have confirmed he is dead me too, not gonna watch it but will still probably have nightmares with the mental images in my head... hearing he may have just shot himself Virginia State Police just announced he is no longer a threat to the community Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Mine, of course. If only because I can count. Huh? Did you watch the video? He didn't even shoot the cameraman first. He fired many shots at the young reporter and all of her reactions had nothing to do with any violence inflicted on the cameraman, as directly opposed to your "head shot" theory. Keep it up on Tom. You are definitely a superstar in your own mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Huh? Did you watch the video? He didn't even shoot the cameraman first. He fired many shots at the young reporter and all of her reactions had nothing to do with any violence inflicted on the cameraman, as directly opposed to your "head shot" theory. Keep it up on Tom. You are definitely a superstar in your own mind. I defer to your superiority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 is it really important to some of you who is right and who is wrong in this case? sadly, I know the answer already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 they have confirmed he is dead Coward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Neither because none of us where there. I may have misread Wooderson's post, but I thought he was saying that he watched the video that the shooter had posted. That one would more than likely show you where his initial shots were directed. I know I have no interest in watching that, but if someone actually did, they might as well end the stupid fight so we don't have to read it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 is it really important to some of you who is right and who is wrong in this case? sadly, I know the answer already No it's not, but I'm just getting sick of DC Tom's routine around here. I wish he'd get some anti-depressants. They would help him. In fact, I was just going to post that this is not about the usual sort of meaningless chat forum pissing matches that go on all the time here and elsewhere. Clearly the shooter was rather ill and fell through the cracks of treatment somehow. He obviously had no plans to survive this day. I am not a gun supporter, but as usual, this will get air play now as a "gun control" story when in fact it is a mental illness story. This is a tragedy all the way around and a horrific day for all involved directly in the shootings and those who know them. Coward Very mentally ill is better, if you have to throw a label on the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 he got from augusta county to i-66 before shooting himself??? that is at least an hour and a half up 81... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 is it really important to some of you who is right and who is wrong in this case? sadly, I know the answer already When a jackass is trying to find heroism in blind panic and thereby illustrating a ridiculous misunderstanding of what actually happened? Reality is...well, not unimportant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 In fact, I was just going to post that this is not about the usual sort of meaningless chat forum pissing matches that go on all the time here and elsewhere. Only, what, 8 posts too late? Ditch the sanctimonious garbage already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 turns out he was 3 hours away...not sure if they were chasing him on I-64 and I-81 they allowed him the 1.5 hours minimum form the I-64/I-81 merger in Staunton to get to I-66 up towards Front Royal.... he got from augusta county to i-66 before shooting himself??? that is at least an hour and a half up 81... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 The shooter is not dead yet. In critical condition from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Being helicoptered to a trauma center now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I may have misread Wooderson's post, but I thought he was saying that he watched the video that the shooter had posted. That one would more than likely show you where his initial shots were directed. I know I have no interest in watching that, but if someone actually did, they might as well end the stupid fight so we don't have to read it anymore. He stood there for a few seconds with just the gun facing the female reporter but nobody noticed him. He shot at the reporter first, looked like he *might've* missed her, but then fired several more as she fled before he turned to the cameraman. The video was facing her more-so than the cameraman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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