HamSandwhich Posted August 23, 2015 Author Share Posted August 23, 2015 Nice thought... But if Rex was that smart, he'd still be coaching the Jets.... EJ is no brainiac either. One of the major downfalls of EJ's career was coming in contact with fellow mental midgets Hackett and Marrone... He literally didn't get a chance to become what he could have been... I suppose it's unfair to call EJ dumb... EJ was more like a BLANK SLATE with the potential to be filled-up with all sorts of good stuff... As long as someone reasonably smart was holding the chalk, EJ had a chance... Fast forward to now.... EJ is once again a blank slate... A little dirty from all the bad chalk that had to be erased, but nonetheless EMPTY.. Years have passed with no progress (through no fault of his own.) The question now, is whether to continue, or abandon the project altogether... Possibly giving EJ the fresh start he deserves.... I can see myself backing this option... I think KC would make an excellent trade partner for this venture... They need help at WR... We definitely need help at QB... EJ plus a wideout (Goodwin or Hogan) for Chase Daniel would be an awesome deal for both parties.... That's just a rough cut... Not sure what that would entail, but I tink it'd be great for EJ to be around one of the sharpest minds in the game (Andy Reid), and I think Daniel's arm is underrated at this point in his career.... That's the pistol... there's a full clip inside, and one in the chamber.... Just needs a finger to go ahead and squeeze. -Any takers? I think he's made it clear, he will not make the same mistakes. An entertaining post, Ham. But I think you're way over-thinking it. Not really overthinking it all, more like a food for thought/fun/entertaining thread. Sounds like it's getting the job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 EJ's last pass was 10' over the receiver. So.....probably not.his last 3 passes were, IMO, picture perfect. (The last was the conversion) At least get your facts straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Ahem...it was Russ Tyler, not Fulton Reed. "It's knucklepuck time!" The Dentist said "DA SHOOTAH." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToTasker Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) You sound like you're in hiding from the very same situation. Or I'm kidding. Have you seen Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory? Edited August 23, 2015 by KellyToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Or I'm kidding. Have you seen Mel Gibson in Conspiracy Theory?from when he played for the Saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted August 23, 2015 Author Share Posted August 23, 2015 from when he played for the Saints? Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) The Dentist said "DA SHOOTAH." He did say earlier that Tyler was "da shootah", but in this scene, it was "da goalie!" Edited August 23, 2015 by LBSeeBallLBGetBall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Someone who is good at navigating this site could put together a chronological list of EJ Fanboy Threads, and we could see the evolution of EJ fandom, which has led us to this thread-- CONSPIRACY!!! When (and IF, of course) EJ gets cut, I assume there would be five more threads on the subject, vaguely following the five stages of grief: Denial Anger Bargaining Depression Acceptance Although, that last one may be a long time coming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted August 23, 2015 Author Share Posted August 23, 2015 Someone who is good at navigating this site could put together a chronological list of EJ Fanboy Threads, and we could see the evolution of EJ fandom, which has led us to this thread-- CONSPIRACY!!! When (and IF, of course) EJ gets cut, I assume there would be five more threads on the subject, vaguely following the five stages of grief: Denial Anger Bargaining Depression Acceptance Although, that last one may be a long time coming... I certainly am not a fan boy, I want the best QB to win. I think EJ has the highest ceiling, so if he wins that means he is likely better than the other two. That's a good thing for our franchise. If not, then we'll roll with TT or Cassel. Whatever happens, I believe that this coaching staff will choose the best man. May the best man win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Someone who is good at navigating this site could put together a chronological list of EJ Fanboy Threads, and we could see the evolution of EJ fandom, which has led us to this thread-- CONSPIRACY!!! When (and IF, of course) EJ gets cut, I assume there would be five more threads on the subject, vaguely following the five stages of grief: Denial Anger Bargaining Depression Acceptance Although, that last one may be a long time coming... Rock, I didn't know you were such a Kubler-Ross fan. I go through these 5 phases every year after we don't make the playoffs. I'm getting good at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Could EJ start? let me put it this way, just because the local media have been reading tea leaves and deciphering the meaning of Rex scratching his left ball more than his right ball doesn't mean they know crap - I think this is still a three horse race and even if EJ doesn't start in the beginning of the season I believe small running QBs have trouble staying healthy and immobile older QBs have trouble staying healthy too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted August 23, 2015 Author Share Posted August 23, 2015 Could EJ start? let me put it this way, just because the local media have been reading tea leaves and deciphering the meaning of Rex scratching his left ball more than his right ball doesn't mean they know crap - I think this is still a three horse race and even if EJ doesn't start in the beginning of the season I believe small running QBs have trouble staying healthy and immobile older QBs have trouble staying healthy to EJ only gets starting job due to injuries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Someone who is good at navigating this site could put together a chronological list of EJ Fanboy Threads, and we could see the evolution of EJ fandom, which has led us to this thread-- CONSPIRACY!!! When (and IF, of course) EJ gets cut, I assume there would be five more threads on the subject, vaguely following the five stages of grief: Denial Anger Bargaining Depression Acceptance Although, that last one may be a long time coming... No, the biggest EJ fanboys are currently in the 2nd stage: there's already denial that the coaching staff doesn't consider him the best QB in camp, and anger that he hasn't been given a fair chance. IF EJ did in fact get cut, there wouldn't be any more stages that we'd be able to see, they'd just leave the board on an 'extended business trip'. There would be normal discourse over a big story like that, along with some haters laughing TAO (not so much EJ-haters, but EJ fanboy-haters). As it was with JP. As it was with Drew. As it was with RJ. That's all IF EJ got cut. Right now, he certainly looks safe but there are 2 more PS games left to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Could EJ start? let me put it this way, just because the local media have been reading tea leaves and deciphering the meaning of Rex scratching his left ball more than his right ball doesn't mean they know crap - I think this is still a three horse race and even if EJ doesn't start in the beginning of the season I believe small running QBs have trouble staying healthy and immobile older QBs have trouble staying healthy too. Denial! EJ only gets starting job due to injuries? Bargaining! Rock, I didn't know you were such a Kubler-Ross fan. I go through these 5 phases every year after we don't make the playoffs. I'm getting good at it. Acceptance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted August 23, 2015 Author Share Posted August 23, 2015 No, the biggest EJ fanboys are currently in the 2nd stage: there's already denial that the coaching staff doesn't consider him the best QB in camp, and anger that he hasn't been given a fair chance. IF EJ did in fact get cut, there wouldn't be any more stages that we'd be able to see, they'd just leave the board on an 'extended business trip'. There would be normal discourse over a big story like that, along with some haters laughing TAO (not so much EJ-haters, but EJ fanboy-haters). As it was with JP. As it was with Drew. As it was with RJ. That's all IF EJ got cut. Right now, he certainly looks safe but there are 2 more PS games left to play. Denial! Bargaining! Acceptance! I think you both are going through this same process with the fact that I'm not a fanboy? This was not a fanboy thread, just a fun conspiracy theory. I think he sits and develops, like a few others here think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) Why is it that THIS funny lighthearted thread brings out the vile in the non EJ "Fanboys"? Again its so freaking hypocritical you people don't like the label haters but you throw out Fanboys and Super Fans quite a lot. HGH Hypocrites Gotta be Hypocrite I guess. Cassel could start, TT could start or EJ could start. Just Freaking relax over peoples opinions Edited August 23, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I think you both are going through this same process with the fact that I'm not a fanboy? This was not a fanboy thread, just a fun conspiracy theory. I think he sits and develops, like a few others here think. I didn't say you were a fanboy. I just find the five stages of grief more interesting than a fun conspiracy theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) I think you both are going through this same process with the fact that I'm not a fanboy? This was not a fanboy thread, just a fun conspiracy theory. I think he sits and develops, like a few others here think. If you say things like, "I think EJ has the highest ceiling..." you might be a fanboy. Be that as it may, intentional or not, this thread has become like a small life-raft for those with a stubbornly inflated opinion of EJ, to cling to in their belief that he is somehow larger than the sum of his parts. Why is it that THIS funny lighthearted thread brings out the vile in the non EJ "Fanboys"? Again its so freaking hypocritical you people don't like the label haters but you throw out Fanboys and Super Fans quite a lot. HGH Hypocrites Gotta be Hypocrite I guess. Cassel could start, TT could start or EJ could start. Just Freaking relax over peoples opinions Fan guy??? I troll, I troll! Edited August 24, 2015 by Rocky Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I didn't say you were a fanboy. I just find the five stages of grief more interesting than a fun conspiracy theory. I have never gotten the five stages done in correct order for some reason> regardless of the subject matter. But no reason these two concepts need to be mutually exclusive is there? If you say things like, "I think EJ has the highest ceiling..." you might be a fanboy. Be that as it may, intentional or not, this thread has become like a small life-raft for those with a stubbornly inflated opinion of EJ, to cling to in their belief that he is somehow larger than the sum of is parts. Fan guy??? I troll, I troll! LOL"d well done Rocky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Rex's Plan: Platoon ALL three. Wouldn't that blow everyone's mind. I think it would be pretty cool. LMAO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Rex's Plan: Platoon ALL three. Wouldn't that blow everyone's mind. I think it would be pretty cool. LMAO... Too hard to do with the roster limits. I think one would have to be inactive on game day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyDogLuvsPB Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I think the local media is just plain stupid when it comes to EJ Manuel. As for Rex, I think he is using Manuel's good performances as a smokescreen for the Colts game. I'm sure that Rex and Roman very much like what EJ's doing but I get the feeling they want to sit him longer because they are worried he's not quite ready yet. They don't want to rush him into action when they don't have to. That's the sense I'm getting. So agree with you. I just had this feeling once TC started that Ryan wants Taylor to succeed and take the job by wowing the fans. He wants Cassell not to fail so that he becomes the defacto backup and EJ perhaps the long term answer. Who knows until the season starts tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 If you say things like, "I think EJ has the highest ceiling..." you might be a fanboy. Be that as it may, intentional or not, this thread has become like a small life-raft for those with a stubbornly inflated opinion of EJ, to cling to in their belief that he is somehow larger than the sum of his parts. Fan guy??? I troll, I troll! Or just an opinion. I challenge you to find posts authored by myself where I am blindly and continuously calling EJ the best QB and saying he needs to start regardless of the coaching acumen on this team showing that EJ is not the best QB. This is just a fun, light hearted thread, sit back and enjoy. Plenty of other threads to attack the "EJ Fanboys", no? To add to the conspiracy theory--- Rocky Landing and 3and12 are clearly in on the agenda. Tell me, when did Coach Ryan contact you to let you in on the grand plan? More importantly, did he let you have a pretzel rod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) Or just an opinion. I challenge you to find posts authored by myself where I am blindly and continuously calling EJ the best QB and saying he needs to start regardless of the coaching acumen on this team showing that EJ is not the best QB. This is just a fun, light hearted thread, sit back and enjoy. Plenty of other threads to attack the "EJ Fanboys", no? To add to the conspiracy theory--- Rocky Landing and 3and12 are clearly in on the agenda. Tell me, when did Coach Ryan contact you to let you in on the grand plan? More importantly, did he let you have a pretzel rod? I certainly don't consider you to be one of the EJ fanatics. I'm just poking fun, myself. I thought the photo of a toy troll with a fishing pole would have illustrated that? As far as having an agenda-- that's news to me. My personal feelings are that EJ was never in the lead in this three-way competition, but he has improved significantly from last year. I started the offseason down on the TT hype-- not because of any agenda, but because I though he complicated the issue in an unproductive way. I thought Rex was a little too gushing, and I don't trust his stubbornness. At this point, however, I feel like he is the best choice for making this a winning team. And, I still think Cassel is a necessary safety net. And, I believe that puts EJ in third place. But, here's the thing: I have no problem changing my mind. As you just pointed out to me, opinions are not agendas. If EJ proves himself to be better than the other two, I'll be happy to jump on that train. (And, BTW-- if you have a problem with my light-hearted posts, poking fun at those who clearly have an agenda and can't take a joke, might I suggest that it is you who needs to lighten up a bit? ) Edited August 24, 2015 by Rocky Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 I certainly don't consider you to be one of the EJ fanatics. I'm just poking fun, myself. I thought the photo of a toy troll with a fishing pole would have illustrated that? As far as having an agenda-- that's news to me. My personal feelings are that EJ was never in the lead in this three-way competition, but he has improved significantly from last year. I started the offseason down on the TT hype-- not because of any agenda, but because I though he complicated the issue in an unproductive way. I thought Rex was a little too gushing, and I don't trust his stubbornness. At this point, however, I feel like he is the best choice for making this a winning team. And, I still think Cassel is a necessary safety net. And, I believe that puts EJ in third place. But, here's the thing: I have no problem changing my mind. As you just pointed out to me, opinions are not agendas. If EJ proves himself to be better than the other two, I'll be happy to jump on that train. (And, BTW-- if you have a problem with my light-hearted posts, poking fun at those who clearly have an agenda and can't take a joke, might I suggest that it is you who needs to lighten up a bit? ) The agenda part was a harken back to my original post, an attempt to soften the serious tenor of my post. It seems like we understand each other so, here's one for you, Enjoy, and keep on with these posts. This has been a fun thread so far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 The agenda part was a harken back to my original post, an attempt to soften the serious tenor of my post. It seems like we understand each other so, here's one for you, Enjoy, and keep on with these posts. This has been a fun thread so far! Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarRifleman Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I think he's made it clear, he will not make the same mistakes. Not really overthinking it all, more like a food for thought/fun/entertaining thread. Sounds like it's getting the job done. Yes it is getting the job done, Ham. Go Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 (edited) I agree with 1billsfan ( I need more sleep). I'm a Hater, but EJ is ever so slowly not sucking. Perhaps Year 4??Crazy what coaches. .. AND a real competition can do huh eight 1Boooooring, clearly all Bills personel are in lock step with the media to get people to believe EJ sucks. Week 1, they will unleash the beast on the league and the league won't know what hit them! Ham is dead set. I am loving this threadBah gawd king that's ej Manuel's music!Lol wrestling fan are we? Does his music come with shattered glass?EJ's last pass was 10' over the receiver. So.....probably not. you talking about the deep ball that slightly missed dez lewis' outstretched hands. Yeah that was definitely 10'. Smh My theory (a lot more plausible) - Doug Whaley sits in a interview and explains that the bills will be too good to be able to get into the blue chip rounds to select a qb - The coaches get to camp and they realize that EJ manuel actually has talent.....but that he has been coached like crap - EJ is in the middle of a cheap 5 year rookie contract - The bills realize that with every passing day this 3 way qb competition takes away needed reps from whoever is going to be the starter - EJ gets moved to 3rd team......a position that is reserved for a developmental qb.....so that they can get the reps to TT and Cassel - EJ gets lots of pre season playing time in preseason........but in a way that gets TT time with the starters MY THEORY is they will NOT draft a QB with their 1st round pick next year (which I thought they were going to do....but I also thought EJ would have been traded at this point....he looks pretty good in pre season.....QBs are hard to come by) EJ MANUEL is STILL THE FUTURE of the team.......he will continue to work on his game and under these coaches.....and NEXT YEAR will make a strong push to be the starter. Cassell is on a one year contract.....TT is gonna get his chance to prove that he can be the starter....... TT to start.....Cassell in the bullpen.....EJ Manuel the future We are not going to be able to sign all of these high priced free agents.......they are going to need to replace one of them (Bradham would be my guess) I'm gonna get roasted for this but i think Dareus will be replaced. Edited August 25, 2015 by Agent 91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Crazy what coaches. .. AND a real competition can do huh eight 1 Ham is dead set. I am loving this thread Lol wrestling fan are we? Does his music come with shattered glass? you talking about the deep ball that slightly missed dez lewis' outstretched hands. Yeah that was definitely 10'. Smh I'm gonna get roasted for this but i think Dareus will be replaced. So what do you make of the contract talks that have been going on for some time now with Dareus' agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted August 26, 2015 Author Share Posted August 26, 2015 Rex: "We'll see how it goes Thursday. But you guys won't be there, so who cares?" Uh huh... WHAT IF...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) EJ is doing his part by having a good practice followed by a terrible practice. He has not been consistent in practice, which is why he has fallen. He has had too many bad practices. Taylor and Cassel haven't been as inconsistent. Edited August 26, 2015 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmasThoman Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Peronsally, I think we need to stop arguing amongst our selves and with the media over this one--it appears that there are 3 quarterbacks capable of leading this team. For this first time since the mid 90s, there will be an expectation (both by fans/media AND the team, coaches and players alike) that the team earns a playoff birth... and maybe more--a lot more. The excitement of last season, or 2010, where we started 5-3, but knew that a wildcard would be lucky, simply doesn't seem good enough this year. I would expect Ryan wants us at 6-2 and better at the break. If his nominal starter gets us to that mark, there's your 16 game starter. If we're 5-3 or 4-4, I would guess it's next man up, in comes whomever. And if they can't get it right, the next guy gets his shot. I look at a "week 1 decision" as meaning: who's going to start wild card weekend when we, as the 3 seed, host Cincinnati. That decision will be made with a much larger body of evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted August 26, 2015 Author Share Posted August 26, 2015 EJ is doing his part by having a good practice followed by a terrible practice. He has not been consistent in practice, which is why he has fallen. He has had too many bad practices. Taylor and Cassel haven't been as inconsistent. It's all apart of the plan...the media is in cahoots! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You herd it hear last Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 EJ is doing his part by having a good practice followed by a terrible practice. He has not been consistent in practice, which is why he has fallen. He has had too many bad practices. Taylor and Cassel haven't been as inconsistent. Perhaps he's allowing himself, as well as the coaches, to make some mistakes in practice. So he doesn't do the foolish 'rookie maneuvers' his detractors note him for, in the games. "letting it rip" So, if EJ's practices result in learning the game and making mistakes (which we all know the OTHER guys practicing are also making mistakes and great plays affecting the result of the QB's performance), BUT his preseason game result is TD's and game winning drives, who cares? I really don't see him "trailing" this competition nearly as much as most do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 The team has performed well in the first two weeks of the season until opposing teams get tape on them. Perhaps Rex will approach the regular season like preseason - different starting quarterback *every* game. It isn't a half bad idea if you have three decent quarterbacks and on any given Sunday, one of them exploits a weakness in the defense better than the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Still holding out hope for the guy. I think we have better options right now but he has played better than I expected this far in camp. Who knows in a year or late in the season, maybe he turns it around and becomes the guy. The best hing for him right now is to sit and watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobu Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I am torn. I have thought for a while now that EJ may have #1 locked up. The reason we have been seeing Taylor and Cassel is they are trying to determine if they keep them both and if so what the pecking order looks like. In a perfect world from the Salary cap perspective, EJ starts, Tyrod backs him up and Cassel gets cut. Because while I have been leaning towards EJ starting, you cannot keep Cassel and Tyrod both. Whoever is the three would be pissed in that scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I am torn. I have thought for a while now that EJ may have #1 locked up. The reason we have been seeing Taylor and Cassel is they are trying to determine if they keep them both and if so what the pecking order looks like. In a perfect world from the Salary cap perspective, EJ starts, Tyrod backs him up and Cassel gets cut. Because while I have been leaning towards EJ starting, you cannot keep Cassel and Tyrod both. Whoever is the three would be pissed in that scenario. It's an understatement to say that you are in the minority in this opinion. Even most of the hardcore EJ fans admit that he is probably in third place in the competition. But, the crazy part is: Your scenario is by no means outside the realm of possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 So, as I've sat back and lurked behind the scenes, reading all the posts about the QB position and who will be there starter, I noticed a trend. Or what I believe to be a trend though they may be more anecdotal, I don't know, you tell me. It sounds like, on several days and evenings out, people who have attended the practices were seeing a different story compared to what the media was putting out. EJ was playing better than what he had been portrayed by the media. EJ plays well during the scrimmage but he doesn't get a start and he starts to play more with the 2nd and 3rd's even as Rex says he played great during the scrimmage. WHAT IF, EJ is the guy all along and Rex has asked the media to be in cahoots with him and put out propaganda pieces to make it seem like EJ stinks? WHAT IF, once they get back to Ralph Wilson stadium (correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there less media access to practices at the Ralph?) EJ starts to become the #1 QB and practices with the 1's exclusively? WHAT IF, this is just a mind game for the Colts and the NFL? I know, I know, Mind = Blown. You're welcome. Carry on. I wouldn't be surprised if Rex already has his mind made up, and the real competition is for the #2 and 3 spots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I wouldn't be surprised if Rex already has his mind made up, and the real competition is for the #2 and 3 spots If that were true, I would think it would be less likely to be EJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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