3rdand12 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Don't confuse effort with results. ouch. ouch. tard yard. thats funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I guess that's a fair point - I don't know that for sure, but do read "Kouandjio is changing it by going full-bore this offseason with a training and workout regimen" to imply he didn't go "full-bore" before. If your "mind-set" is not right as he admits it wasn't last year, generally I would think that would also affect your dedication. Sounds to me too like he really got in Marrone's doghouse, and was likely crushed by the negativity as well. Would be great if he can turnaround his play through a combination of altering his mind-set and dedication - plus by having some competent coaching (the "tard yard" characterzation above has to be one of my favorite phrases on this board ever). I think it's a good point to bring up, as you do, that being in the doghouse most likely had a huge impact on his mentality. They guy came in saying he's not used to losing, he's certainly not used to riding the bench after his success in college. It's probably the first time he's ever failed in his life before (which tends to be the case when rookies come to the professional ranks and see they're no longer at the top of the food chain), and sometimes that can really mess with a guy's head. I'm obviously speculating, but it would make sense. Nothing, in my experience, helps alleviate that kind of bad mentality like a fresh start with a new coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I wonder if Rusty Jones does consulting for the academy even though he retired from full time coaching. He was well respected by players and coaches in the league. Good ESPN article not specifically on player: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10857106/lecharles-bentley-academy-offensive-linemen-paying-dividends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted March 5, 2015 Author Share Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) I think it's a good point to bring up, as you do, that being in the doghouse most likely had a huge impact on his mentality. They guy came in saying he's not used to losing, he's certainly not used to riding the bench after his success in college. It's probably the first time he's ever failed in his life before (which tends to be the case when rookies come to the professional ranks and see they're no longer at the top of the food chain), and sometimes that can really mess with a guy's head. I'm obviously speculating, but it would make sense. Nothing, in my experience, helps alleviate that kind of bad mentality like a fresh start with a new coaching staff. And further to the point, can't help but think, based on things that trickle out, likely what a miserable SOB Marrone probably was , and how it likely affected both individuals and the team as a whole. For Kujo to specifically include the comment "It’s a really positive environment" about a group of guys doing footbal workouts to me speaks volumes about his impression of the environment in the "tard yard" last year. Edited March 5, 2015 by stevewin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 And further to the point, can't help but think, based on things that trickle out, likely what a miserable SOB Marrone probably was , and how it likely affected both individuals and the team as a whole. For Kujo to specifically include the comment "It’s a really positive environment" about a group of guys do footbal workouts to me speaks volumes about his impression of the environment in the "tard yard" last year. 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Glad to see a young player exhibiting "football character." Sounds like he surrounds himself with good people. My concern is the arthritic knee. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Don't confuse effort with results. Exactly! If that were the case we should have had at least 4 olinemen in the pro bowl with the amount of time Marrone worked on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted March 5, 2015 Author Share Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) Exactly! If that were the case we should have had at least 4 olinemen in the pro bowl with the amount of time Marrone worked on them. We have no idea what kind of individual player effort resulted from Marrone "working on them" (whatever that may have been). If anything it appears likely it may have caused some players to check out, not work harder Edited March 5, 2015 by stevewin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Would love to see CK step up. Like the drive he's showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Go get 'em, Kujo. I hate it when players are labeled busts after one season; prove to everyone you're here to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Don't confuse effort with results. How I hate this quote. I hated it when Marrone first uttered it and I hate it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 How I hate this quote. I hated it when Marrone first uttered it and I hate it now. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 How I hate this quote. I hated it when Marrone first uttered it and I hate it now. Obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 That's pretty impressive. He's probably learned a lot already being there for 9 weeks. I didn't know they had schools solely dedicated to Oline play. Can't wait to see what he does once he gets to camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 This is great news. However, we need to win now. A player who was very underwhelming his rookie year shouldn't be counted on merely because of his choice of offseason workout. Plus, I don't think you can have too many healthy OL. Incognito has been out of football a year and is 32, and even if they add a quality OG in FA injures are always a concern. I hope he continues to progress and if his improvement makes it a tough choice for Bills brass to play him, that's a good problem to have. However it shouldn't be counted on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 We have no idea what kind of individual player effort resulted from Marrone "working on them" (whatever that may have been). If anything it appears likely it may have caused some players to check out, not work harder Kind of my point. Reports were he spent more time on the oline during practices than anywhere else and they appeared to get worse and worse. Or as you said, checked out/quit on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Don't confuse effort with results. Are the Doug Marrone signs still up in Buffalo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) I know this thread is really about a feel-good report on a young player with a disappointing rookie season trying to improve himself And I hope it works out for him and for us really I do.. I keep reading this thread as an Onion headline implying it's a hopeless cause though "Cyrus Kouandjio not wasting any time prepping for 2015 (he'll head right to the bench this year)" Edited March 6, 2015 by Hopeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) I know this thread is really about a feel-good report on a young player with a disappointing rookie season trying to improve himself And I hope it works out for him and for us really I do.. I keep reading this thread as an Onion headline implying it's a hopeless cause though "Cyrus Kouandjio not wasting any time prepping for 2015 (he'll head right to the bench this year)" Yeah, I had to read the title like 4-5 times before I came in. Its almost like ". . . not wasting any time BY ACTUALLY prepping . . . " and choosing to eat cheeseburgers instead. And yeah, LeCharles has had that school for a few years now. Seen it on TV 2-3 times, and all of the students love, love it. Sounds like LeCharles is really cool. Glad to see he's putting his knowledge to use post-NFL. http://www.olineperformance.com/AboutUs.aspx Edited March 6, 2015 by maddenboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 I know this thread is really about a feel-good report on a young player with a disappointing rookie season trying to improve himself And I hope it works out for him and for us really I do.. I keep reading this thread as an Onion headline implying it's a hopeless cause though "Cyrus Kouandjio not wasting any time prepping for 2015 (he'll head right to the bench this year)" One of the drills they do is to strap a Sham-Wow to their asses and polish LeCharles Bentley's car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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