YoloinOhio Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) @RapSheet: Trestman or Roman RT @KimJonesSports: DC Dennis Thurman is expected to join Bills. Rex expected to hire an OC who was not on staff with NYJ. Edited January 11, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Damnitall! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 .... ... ... ... Â wow, dismantled the #4 defense already.... switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4 now? I don't get this hire at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 @viccarucci: The #Bills have "every intention" of keeping DC Jim Schwartz, just told by high-ranking team source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 @caplannfl: Rex Ryan has told Jim Schwartz he would like him to stay as his DC, a source said. Schwartz has coached 3-4 before, but it has been a while. Breathe... Breathe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wing Man Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Definitely a lot of conflicting reports being thrown around. We may have to wait for an announcement from the team, Ryan, or Schwartz to know for sure. Roman is being favored as the OC although nothing has been signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Even if he were to stay, makes no sense to change defensive alignment again. Just keep the defense intact. Why would Schwartz want to stay if the type of defense is being dictated to him. This is the biggest thing that bums me about a Rex hire, him changing the defense. Can't help but think about shades of Greg Williams coming in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahbonas Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 .... ... ... ... Â wow, dismantled the #4 defense already.... switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4 now? I don't get this hire at all. And what were your thoughts when we lost Pettine and went to Schwartz? Â Lets all keep in mind that the Bills had the highest payroll on the defensive side of the ball in the NFL. One could argue that given that #4 not so incredibly impressive. Remind us please how many times we forced the Patriots to punt when we played them in Orchard Park giving up 37 points? In December Rex held that same Brady to 17 points in a narrow 17-16 loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Yep same old Bills, just new owners....3-4,4-3,3-4,4-3,3-4,4-3,etc etc players never in the same system two years in a row....and instincts do not have a chance to develope....have to think every time....D headed back to medocirty if Ray forces whoever to to 3-4. Honestly, I wish I had not committed to 15 season tickets......and, marketing mistake...ryan reviled by many Bills fans....Pegula's save the franchise, but seem not to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 3-4 or 4-3 is no longer a big thing...teams uses multiple fronts...if Schwartz stays D stays the same...if not it won't change much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 In relation to Schwartz, Rex just want to Win, I cant see a switch to 3-4 happening immediately(If we do, B Spikes will be resigned immediately), wasn't Rex a big proponent of the 4-6 defense? We have the Talent to run that. With our D being as dominant as they were, I cant see them forcing a D change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahbonas Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 A consideration has to be in order to stay in same 4-3 then you need to pay Jerry Hughes near $12 million - its possible an adjusted scheme could avoid that allowing the offense to sign a OG like Iupati and play power football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 El Pegula cares not for same old Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Yep same old Bills, just new owners....3-4,4-3,3-4,4-3,3-4,4-3,etc etc players never in the same system two years in a row....and instincts do not have a chance to develope....have to think every time....D headed back to medocirty if Ray forces whoever to to 3-4. Honestly, I wish I had not committed to 15 season tickets......and, marketing mistake...ryan reviled by many Bills fans....Pegula's save the franchise, but seem not to get it.Same old Bills? We go out and spend huge money on one of the most in demand coaches in the league and are planning on paying top dollar for highly respected coordinators. Sounds like a whole new Bills to me! I love it so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) It says joining staff.... not be DC.  and FYI:  Vic Carucci @viccarucci · 2h2 hours ago The #Bills have "every intention" of keeping DC Jim Schwartz, just told by high-ranking team source.  Vic Carucci @viccarucci 2h2 hours ago Told despite different def philosophy, Ryan would be OK w keeping Schwartz as DC bc he "wants to win." Who's running D "doesn't matter." Edited January 11, 2015 by Wayne Cubed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 @RapSheet: Trestman or Roman RT @KimJonesSports: DC Dennis Thurman is expected to join Bills. Rex expected to hire an OC who was not on staff with NYJ. Â To say I'm bummed would be an understatement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) If Rex is smart, he keeps Schwartz and let him run the D and just provides help when Schwartz wants it. His failing in NY was that he spent too much time as the defensive coordinator and not enough time as the Head Coach. If we bring in a strong coordinator like Roman/Trestman than I like the hire. Rex is a player's coach and with strong coordinators on both sides of the ball with his focus on being the head coach than I think this could be a good hire. Â If the D performs in the top 5 again than you can bet Schwartz gets looks at coaching vacancies next year and then Ryan can bring in Thurman. Edited January 11, 2015 by jeremy2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 From the Buffalo News a team source says they will keep Schwartz, and look to hire Greg Roman as OC. OK feeling better as Roman has built a power run game in SF Â http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/01/11/reports-bills-hire-rex-ryan-next-coach/ Â Â "Additionally, a high-ranking Bills source told the News that the team has "every intention of keeping" defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz. Multiple media outlets have reported that Ryan intended to hire Dennis Thurman, his defensive coordinator with the Jets, to replace Schwartz. That would seemingly make more sense considering that Ryan, a former DC, runs a 3-4 base scheme and Schwartz, in his first year with the Bills last season, guided one of the best defenses in the NFL using a 4-3 base." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 Changed subject line.... Really hope he stays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015  It says joining staff.... not be DC.  and FYI:  Vic Carucci @viccarucci · 2h2 hours ago The #Bills have "every intention" of keeping DC Jim Schwartz, just told by high-ranking team source.  Vic Carucci @viccarucci 2h2 hours ago Told despite different def philosophy, Ryan would be OK w keeping Schwartz as DC bc he "wants to win." Who's running D "doesn't matter."  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 And what were your thoughts when we lost Pettine and went to Schwartz? Â Lets all keep in mind that the Bills had the highest payroll on the defensive side of the ball in the NFL. One could argue that given that #4 not so incredibly impressive. Remind us please how many times we forced the Patriots to punt when we played them in Orchard Park giving up 37 points? In December Rex held that same Brady to 17 points in a narrow 17-16 loss Please don't talk up Rex Ryan as someone who owns the Patriots, as he is 1-7 the last four years against Belichick. Then 3-9 against New England since he has been the HC of the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I like the changed subject line better. I hope he stays as long as they can work out their philosophical differences. 2 great defensive minds on one coaching staff COULD be a great thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Rex knows how to coach all kinds of defenses. It depends on the players he has. I can see how he could work with Schwartz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahbonas Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Please don't talk up Rex Ryan as someone who owns the Patriots, as he is 1-7 the last four years against Belichick. Then 3-9 against New England since he has been the HC of the Jets. Last 2 losses this year by a total of 3 points but thats the same us us giving up 37. EVERYONE realizes Brady hates to play against Rex Ryan and his schemes - against Schwartz this year he did not punt once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 This would be a tremendous move. A lot of ego and pride in the coaches office. If it is Trestman, then three guys with HC experience. If anyone can run the ship its the guy with the highest ego. Â The interesting point of note is that Ryan has shown success and the capability for continued success as his coordinators leave to other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Changed subject line.... Really hope he stays Same here! Hope Roman takes the OC job too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I don't even care if he keeps Schwartz. Rex Ryan would make this defense the best in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 If you are Schwartz do you stay here with this team and players another year, with Rex, or do you take the Giants job or another DC if it is offered to you and do it on your own? Â Tough choice. I think the smart thing to do is stay with the Bills, as long as after your conversation with Rex you are convinced he will let you run your defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Schwartz "may" remain? IMO, he must remain and his system shouldn't be anything more than tweaked. There's not a ton of situations where a team sports a top-5 defense while the offense is in the bottom 33% in the NFL. The Bills already had what they needed on defense. If Schwartz does not stay, we're looking at more of the same as we've had. Rebuilding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Schwartz "may" remain? IMO, he must remain and his system shouldn't be anything more than tweaked. There's not a ton of situations where a team sports a top-5 defense while the offense is in the bottom 33% in the NFL. The Bills already had what they needed on defense. If Schwartz does not stay, we're looking at more of the same as we've had. Rebuilding. Â Rex would make the defense #1! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Schwartz "may" remain? IMO, he must remain and his system shouldn't be anything more than tweaked. There's not a ton of situations where a team sports a top-5 defense while the offense is in the bottom 33% in the NFL. The Bills already had what they needed on defense. If Schwartz does not stay, we're looking at more of the same as we've had. Rebuilding. Â Why do people keep acting like Schwartz built this D? They were very good the year before under Perttine running Rex's D. So good that it landed Pertine a HC job. Schwartz improved the D to be sure but with the talent on board any good DC is going to have a dominant D. The D wouldn't take a step back if Schwartz left. Â Id actually say that if they lose Hughes they'd be better off under Rex as Rex is better at using scheme to generated preasure as opposed to Schwartz who simply lets the 4 guys up front do their jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Why do people keep acting like Schwartz built this D? They were very good the year before under Perttine running Rex's D. So good that it landed Pertine a HC job. Schwartz improved the D to be sure but with the talent on board any good DC is going to have a dominant D. The D wouldn't take a step back if Schwartz left. Id actually say that if they lose Hughes they'd be better off under Rex as Rex is better at using scheme to generated preasure as opposed to Schwartz who simply lets the 4 guys up front do their jobs. There was a substantial difference in this year's defense. Schwartz did not blitz or gamble. The run defense was substantially better because of it. Last year's defense, Pettine's, was bad against the run because they blitzed so much and when other teams broke through they went for huge chunks of yards and breakaway TDs. Â Granted, Spikes helped a lot, as did Bradham, as did Graham as the third CB. But Bills players made it a point to say they were much more detailed and much more designed to stop the run. We don't even need Rex's pressure this year. I wouldn't doubt if he let Schwartz run the defense and just helped with game plans and specific situations and a great mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I think i twill be tough for Rex to keep Schwartz (and the rest of our staff) with the considerations for the coaches that have been in NY. I would guess Rex would rather bring the folks he has and keep that coaching group established instead of letting them get jobs around the league. We'll see, Schwartz has been able to get good results from this group, but I think from a long term standpoint Rex goes with his guys. Â If there had been a first time head coach who didn't have those coaches I think it would have been a better fit for Schwartz. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 And what were your thoughts when we lost Pettine and went to Schwartz? Â Lets all keep in mind that the Bills had the highest payroll on the defensive side of the ball in the NFL. One could argue that given that #4 not so incredibly impressive. Remind us please how many times we forced the Patriots to punt when we played them in Orchard Park giving up 37 points? In December Rex held that same Brady to 17 points in a narrow 17-16 loss #2 after Seattle in the much more analytical footballoutsiders ranking ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 So Schwartz inherited Ryan's defense from Pettine and made them better. I wonder if Rex may be impressed by that and work good with Schwartz to make this defense even better. At the very least I could imagine Rex picking Schwartz's brain and find out the things Schwartz did different. Hopefully Rex can think the defense is in great hands and focus more time elsewhere and leave the defense alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Football Outsiders team D rankings for the Jets over Ryan's tenure: Â 2009 - 1 Â 2010 - 5 Â 2011 - 2 Â 2012 - 9 Â 2013 - 12 Â 2014 - 21 Â Baltimore FO rankings with Rex as DC Â 2005 - 6 Â 2006 - 1 Â 2007 - 5 Â 2008 - 2 Â Anyone see a pattern? The decline with Jets started with the arrival of Idzik. Interestingly, the Bills D was run by a Ryan protege in 2013 and finished #4 (they were #2 this season). Â Again, great hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Keep defense as it and playoffs are a lock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 #2 after Seattle in the much more analytical footballoutsiders ranking ... I think if you put the Seattle offense with the Bills defense and the Bills offense with the Seattle defense, the Bills are far and away the best defense in the NFL, and a substantially bigger margin than Seattle is now over the Bills. Makes a huge difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahbonas Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Simply put - I gotta believe Tom Brady is not happy seeing Rex Ryan coaching our defensive personnel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I think if you put the Seattle offense with the Bills defense and the Bills offense with the Seattle defense, the Bills are far and away the best defense in the NFL, and a substantially bigger margin than Seattle is now over the Bills. Makes a huge difference. They're both good. I don't want to take anything away from Seattle. As much as I love the Bills D, I can't get to the point of saying they're better than Seattle's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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