The Big Cat Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 According to Peter King's gut, fwiw. http://mmqb.si.com/2014/12/02/rams-st-louis-police-ferguson-nfl-week-13-mailbag/ It's the last mailbag segment. But watch anyway, the first one is about what a great job Marrone has done, and I'm sure many here would agree! As for Kaepernick, if he becomes available, I would LOVE to see him in a Bills uniform. Get him out of the pocket and let him do his thing. His down year is an aberration directly correlated to the push for him to be a more stationary QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 He has a long ways to go in becoming a pocket passer and you either learn how to do that or you won't last. It's really that simple. I'm not sure this fan base would be patient enough with his development process. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 He has a long ways to go in becoming a pocket passer and you either learn how to do that or you won't last. It's really that simple. I'm not sure this fan base would be patient enough with his development process. GO BILLS!!! That may be true. But why would you take him on your team and expect that from him? Bring him in and let him do his thing. We have enough offensive weapons on this team that his speed and ability to rush would drive defenses bananas. Plus, the dude can sling it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I would absolutely love him on this team. He's young, talented, and is basically the type of QB I was hoping EJ would become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 That may be true. But why would you take him on your team and expect that from him? Bring him in and let him do his thing. We have enough offensive weapons on this team that his speed and ability to rush would drive defenses bananas. Plus, the dude can sling it. Easiest thing for a DC to do is devise defenses to take away half the field which is what you get when your QB is incapable of using all the field on every play. Yes, Kaep will get you some big plays with his legs and rifle arm, but at the end of the day, if he can't utilize the entire field by staying in the pocket, he is easy to defend. And I don't want my QB running as often. He's gonna take too many shots. Let me ask, why would SF even consider not keeping him after the investment they made in him? GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 Easiest thing for a DC to do is devise defenses to take away half the field which is what you get when your QB is incapable of using all the field on every play. Yes, Kaep will get you some big plays with his legs and rifle arm, but at the end of the day, if he can't utilize the entire field by staying in the pocket, he is easy to defend. And I don't want my QB running as often. He's gonna take too many shots. Let me ask, why would SF even consider not keeping him after the investment they made in him? GO BILLS!!! Because Harbaugh is likely gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Let me ask, why would SF even consider not keeping him after the investment they made in him? GO BILLS!!! because they didnt invest much in him - hes essentially agreed to allow them to franchise tag him for as long as they want without a balloon (and for a few years at a discount). if he plays 5 years, he would see an average of todays tag number, and has little to no future money promised until he reaches each individual year. really, hes cheap for an established starter in the near term and that may be a good reason for them to keep him around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I would absolutely love him on this team. He's young, talented, and is basically the type of QB I was hoping EJ would become. He had 2 advantages EJ didn't have: Harbaugh and he learned under a veteran for more than a year. And they aren't letting him go. That's just silly. He is overrate at this point (they have a great time and he doesn't have to win games for them) but he is super popular and very talented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 He has a long ways to go in becoming a pocket passer and you either learn how to do that or you won't last. It's really that simple. I'm not sure this fan base would be patient enough with his development process. GO BILLS!!! I'm sure this fan base is not patient enough for his development process. It's December, we're 7-5, in the playoff hunt and despite all this there's so much talk of firings and benchings. I'd pass and wait for a lower profile project, there's too much of a risk that CK turns out like Vince Young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 (edited) I'd rather have him than our current QBs. That being said, I'd rather have Hughes, Dareus, Bradham, searcy, Glenn locked up than overpay for a QB that isn't very good. Especially if nate Hackett is drawing up plays for him. He's an upgrade, but I hate his throwing mechanics and his attitude Edited December 2, 2014 by NewEra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I'm sure this fan base is not patient enough for his development process. It's December, we're 7-5, in the playoff hunt and despite all this there's so much talk of firings and benchings. I'd pass and wait for a lower profile project, there's too much of a risk that CK turns out like Vince Young. CK is a much better passer than VY. It isn't even close. But I do agree about the impatient fanbase. We act like Andrew Luck is the norm of young QBs. IF you don't make the playoffs or a pro bowl your rookie, you suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 I'd rather have him than our current QBs. That being said, I'd rather have Hughes, Dareus, Bradham, searcy, Glenn locked up than overpay for a QB that isn't very good. Especially if nate Hackett is drawing up plays for him. He's an upgrade, but I hate his throwing mechanics and his attitude I agree with most of what you say here, but IMO, there will be SOME moves made this offense do move toward securing the QB position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Kaep is the worst kind of QB to teach to be a pocket passer. With so much athletic ability, he can rely on it just enough to play well for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I agree with most of what you say here, but IMO, there will be SOME moves made this offense do move toward securing the QB position. I hope so. Although, if orton opts back in and we're on the hook for his 7mill or so next year, we might not be able to do much, other than draft another QB. I can't envision us cutting Ej Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 In the end, a QB will have to earn his keep with consistently good to excellent play in the pocket. "Run around" quarterbacking as a staple offensive strategy cannot be sustained for the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 CK is a much better passer than VY. It isn't even close. But I do agree about the impatient fanbase. We act like Andrew Luck is the norm of young QBs. IF you don't make the playoffs or a pro bowl your rookie, you suck. You are off base with your assertion of the impatient fans. There would have been more patience with EJ if he showed improvement in his game from last year. Yet he regressed. There was no point in throwing him out to the wolves with the rest of his team mates losing confidence. If he shows up in camp next year and shows improved skills in camp and in preseason, the patience will return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 You are off base with your assertion of the impatient fans. There would have been more patience with EJ if he showed improvement in his game from last year. Yet he regressed. There was no point in throwing him out to the wolves with the rest of his team mates losing confidence. If he shows up in camp next year and shows improved skills in camp and in preseason, the patience will return. I don't buy this regression claim. He looked to me to be exactly the same as he was throughout his limited 2013 run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I don't buy this regression claim. He looked to me to be exactly the same as he was throughout his limited 2013 run. He was much more tentative and timid to throw since the third game this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 because they didnt invest much in him - hes essentially agreed to allow them to franchise tag him for as long as they want without a balloon (and for a few years at a discount). if he plays 5 years, he would see an average of todays tag number, and has little to no future money promised until he reaches each individual year. really, hes cheap for an established starter in the near term and that may be a good reason for them to keep him around I didn't mean investment in the dollar sense, but in the development sense. And my question remains: why would SF even consider letting him go? Big Cat suggests it's because of Harbaugh leaving, but I don't see how that comes into play after you've taken the time to develop a QB for four seasons. If they are willing to let him go it's for no other reason than they feel he's reached his ceiling. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Security Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Rather have Cam Newton,he is a free agent, although he may get a franchise tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Rather have Cam Newton,he is a free agent, although he may get a franchise tag. You can forget Cam. He won't be available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Don't see how Kaepernick would be available. The cap hit for cutting him must be ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 As for Kaepernick, if he becomes available, I would LOVE to see him in a Bills uniform. Get him out of the pocket and let him do his thing. His down year is an aberration directly correlated to the push for him to be a more stationary QB. As long as he burns his Dolphins hats, I am okay with this scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Don't see how Kaepernick would be available. The cap hit for cutting him must be ridiculous. This. He did sign at $127 million contract and up front it looks like $61 million is guaranteed. The fact is only $13 million is guaranteed with the other $48 million guaranteed only if he got injured. So, the reality is that his cap hit would be like $11 million for San Francisco assuming he doesn't get hurt. Unless Buffalo assumed the responsibility for the remainder of the guarantee, there's no way San Francisco moves him. I still think too that even $11 million hit is too big to consider. His contract is also ridiculous. Why would Kapernick accept a pay cut to play in Buffalo? Would the Bills really pay him $15+ million per year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Rather have Cam Newton,he is a free agent, although he may get a franchise tag. They exercised his 5th year option, he isn't going anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 They exercised his 5th year option, he isn't going anywhere Between his 'donkey kong Suh' comments, his immature jumping around in the pre-season and his subsequently under-whelming season, I am skeptical about him pulling it all together and becoming any team's franchise QB. I can easily see him regressing and fading if he doesnt get his act together. All the tools but does he have the maturity and dedication ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 You are off base with your assertion of the impatient fans. There would have been more patience with EJ if he showed improvement in his game from last year. Yet he regressed. There was no point in throwing him out to the wolves with the rest of his team mates losing confidence. If he shows up in camp next year and shows improved skills in camp and in preseason, the patience will return. He played 4 games, and helped win 2. Hardly enough time to make any real judgements. And given that the offense struggles to score even a td these days with a 10 year vet, perhaps it's more a reflection on the system than EJ. Between his 'donkey kong Suh' comments, his immature jumping around in the pre-season and his subsequently under-whelming season, I am skeptical about him pulling it all together and becoming any team's franchise QB. I can easily see him regressing and fading if he doesnt get his act together. All the tools but does he have the maturity and dedication ? Their oline is a disaster and they have awful rbs. He will have a big bounce back year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 According to Peter King's gut, fwiw. http://mmqb.si.com/2...eek-13-mailbag/ It's the last mailbag segment. But watch anyway, the first one is about what a great job Marrone has done, and I'm sure many here would agree! As for Kaepernick, if he becomes available, I would LOVE to see him in a Bills uniform. Get him out of the pocket and let him do his thing. His down year is an aberration directly correlated to the push for him to be a more stationary QB. I think Peter King's gut should spend less time speculating and more time eating Doritos. First let's look at CK's contract per OvertheCap If I'm reading correctly, SF would have $9 million in DEAD MONEY if they cut him. SF doesn't save a huge amount of money if they cut him. And who is CK's backup? Blaine Gabbert? OK, let's send the Turk after Colin and line Gabbert right up! (Not) On the other hand, he is currently the 6th highest paid QB while playing at the top of the bottom 3rd (ie about 20-23rd) for completion percentage and QBR (total and old). We don't know what might be in his contract as far as trades, but he was riding pretty high when he signed his extension so there may well be some language that would complicate a trade. I'm sure there are a number of teams that would improve their QB play with CK (at least 10 of them *g*) but it's kinda hard to give up whatever draft picks or players you'd have to give and pay a guy top-6 money when he's turning out a track record in the bottom half of QB in the league. So I don't see it happening, either by cut or by trade. Sorry Peter King's Gut! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I don't buy this regression claim. He looked to me to be exactly the same as he was throughout his limited 2013 run. He was much more tentative and timid to throw since the third game this year. GG is correct. I watch him play a lot, he's regressed horribly this year. He's been downright terrible in four games this year -- worse than EJ looked in Houston and I'm not exaggerating. Kap has a rocket for an arm but has shown limited leadership thus far in his career and limited desire to get better. I caught an interview today, I forget who it was, but he basically said Kap is learning that unlike in college where the game gets easier as you progress, in the NFL it gets harder because teams learn what to take away from you. In saying that, this guy basically said that Kap doesn't get it yet, and it's why he's going to bottom out before (or even if) he ever "gets it". Stay away from Kap. Too much $$ and too many question marks. Rather have Cam Newton,he is a free agent, although he may get a franchise tag. He is not a FA until '16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 GG is correct. I watch him play a lot, he's regressed horribly this year. He's been downright terrible in four games this year -- worse than EJ looked in Houston and I'm not exaggerating. Kap has a rocket for an arm but has shown limited leadership thus far in his career and limited desire to get better. I caught an interview today, I forget who it was, but he basically said Kap is learning that unlike in college where the game gets easier as you progress, in the NFL it gets harder because teams learn what to take away from you. In saying that, this guy basically said that Kap doesn't get it yet, and it's why he's going to bottom out before (or even if) he ever "gets it". Stay away from Kap. Too much $$ and too many question marks. I was about to type my thoughts then got to this post. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted William's frozen head Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 He was much more tentative and timid to throw since the third game this year. P.U.S.S.Y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 According to Peter King's gut, fwiw. http://mmqb.si.com/2014/12/02/rams-st-louis-police-ferguson-nfl-week-13-mailbag/ It's the last mailbag segment. But watch anyway, the first one is about what a great job Marrone has done, and I'm sure many here would agree! As for Kaepernick, if he becomes available, I would LOVE to see him in a Bills uniform. Get him out of the pocket and let him do his thing. His down year is an aberration directly correlated to the push for him to be a more stationary QB. Which down year are you referring to, this year or last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 The Niners are going to get rid of CK and Harbaugh? Sounds nuts to me. BTW, if a team gets rid of a young franchise QB without having his replacement already on the squad, don't you think there has to be something seriously wrong with the kid besides "Incompatibility" with Harbaugh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 The Niners are going to get rid of CK and Harbaugh? Sounds nuts to me. BTW, if a team gets rid of a young franchise QB without having his replacement already on the squad, don't you think there has to be something seriously wrong with the kid besides "Incompatibility" with Harbaugh? CK was Harbaugh's personal selection to lead the team. He's not incompatible with Harbaugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 According to Peter King's gut, fwiw. http://mmqb.si.com/2...eek-13-mailbag/ It's the last mailbag segment. But watch anyway, the first one is about what a great job Marrone has done, and I'm sure many here would agree! As for Kaepernick, if he becomes available, I would LOVE to see him in a Bills uniform. Get him out of the pocket and let him do his thing. His down year is an aberration directly correlated to the push for him to be a more stationary QB. Do you have to watch the video for the Kaepernick stuff? I can't see it on that page. I hate the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Between his 'donkey kong Suh' comments, his immature jumping around in the pre-season and his subsequently under-whelming season, I am skeptical about him pulling it all together and becoming any team's franchise QB. I can easily see him regressing and fading if he doesnt get his act together. All the tools but does he have the maturity and dedication ? Their oline is a disaster and they have awful rbs. He will have a big bounce back year. Didn't you essentially say the same thing about RGIII last year? He certainly bounced back this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) CK is a much better passer than VY. It isn't even close. But I do agree about the impatient fanbase. We act like Andrew Luck is the norm of young QBs. IF you don't make the playoffs or a pro bowl your rookie, you suck. No if you play like EJ Manuel this fan base thinks you suck. Getting Kap on this team would make this team an instant super bowl contender. & the cold harsh reality of the Dline is your not going to keep both Dareus & Hughes. There both going to get somewhere in the range of Mario Williams contract maybe a bit less but close. You can't have 3 guys on your Dline making that kind of coin. With that being said SF is not going to let him go unless it is for a king's ransom & I am talking multiple 1st round picks. Edited December 3, 2014 by Gordio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 GG is correct. I watch him play a lot, he's regressed horribly this year. He's been downright terrible in four games this year -- worse than EJ looked in Houston and I'm not exaggerating. Kap has a rocket for an arm but has shown limited leadership thus far in his career and limited desire to get better. I caught an interview today, I forget who it was, but he basically said Kap is learning that unlike in college where the game gets easier as you progress, in the NFL it gets harder because teams learn what to take away from you. In saying that, this guy basically said that Kap doesn't get it yet, and it's why he's going to bottom out before (or even if) he ever "gets it". Stay away from Kap. Too much $$ and too many question marks. He is not a FA until '16. That is interesting. I have always been a big Kap fan. My uncle lives about 2 miles away from the University of Nevada & I went & seen him play in college twice. I was mad when they didn't pull the trigger on him in the 2nd round of the draft. With that being said, I really have not watched him much this year. Very interesting posdt you had about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 No if you play like EJ Manuel this fan base thinks you suck. Getting Kap on this team would make this team an instant super bowl contender. & the cold harsh reality of the Dline is your not going to keep both Dareus & Hughes. There both going to get somewhere in the range of Mario Williams contract maybe a bit less but close. You can't have 3 guys on your Dline making that kind of coin. With that being said SF is not going to let him go unless it is for a king's ransom & I am talking multiple 1st round picks. You do realize 4 games into his 2nd year, CK didn't even start a game right? You have zero idea how CK would have played as a rookie. But EJ has the elite offensive mind of Hackett to learn from. Much better than that no nothing Harbaugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 You do realize 4 games into his 2nd year, CK didn't even start a game right? You have zero idea how CK would have played as a rookie. But EJ has the elite offensive mind of Hackett to learn from. Much better than that no nothing Harbaugh. No but I watched them both in college & Manuel does not have even close the tools that Kap does. Kap was raw coming out of college but he had some tools that you could work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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