What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[Nanker]

50 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Statistically speaking though YTD you only have about a 15% chance of being killed if shot in Chicago.  The shooters aren't very accurate, so the risk of death is fairly low.

That’s a comfort to know. I think I’ll just go ahead and book my next vacation to Chicago for some weekend in, oh say, 2085. 

[4merper4mer]

8 minutes ago, Nanker said:

That’s a comfort to know. I think I’ll just go ahead and book my next vacation to Chicago for some weekend in, oh say, 2085. 

You go ahead and do that Plissken.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

You go ahead and do that Plissken.

 

wouldn't that be new york?

 

[4merper4mer]

17 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

wouldn't that be new york?

 

Ever heard of a sequel?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said:

Ever heard of a sequel?

 

Yeah, that would be Los Angeles

 

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, joesixpack said:

Yeah, that would be Los Angeles

 

Prequel?

[keepthefaith]

1 hour ago, Nanker said:

That’s a comfort to know. I think I’ll just go ahead and book my next vacation to Chicago for some weekend in, oh say, 2085. 

 

Still too soon.  Dems will still be running the city then and pretending they care about all of Chicago while the slaughter of people of color continues and there aren't enough jobs for all those that want them because the "better" neighborhoods prefer illegal immigrant labor and enjoy sanctuary status. 

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, joesixpack said:

 

Yeah, that would be Los Angeles

 

Shirley you can't be serious.  Ever heard of a trilogy?

[B-Man]

NPR for God's sake............

 

This is interesting...NPR reached out to the 200+ schools that reportedly had school shootings in 2015 and found that more than two-thirds of these government-reported incidents never happened. https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent …

 

 

Narrative fail.

[DC Tom]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

NPR for God's sake............

 

This is interesting...NPR reached out to the 200+ schools that reportedly had school shootings in 2015 and found that more than two-thirds of these government-reported incidents never happened. https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent …

 

 

Narrative fail.

 

No, they happened...

 

...if your definition of "school shooting" is "discharge of a firearm in the vicinity of a school."  Which, in this "government report" case, it is.  The majority of which are coincidences of location and have nothing to do with the school.  Think I covered that up-thread somewhere.

 

Same sort of semantic game they play when they say "There's a mass shooting every day!"  Implying that there's a mass murder occurring somewhere in the country daily, when the majority are crime-related incidents where at least four people are injured.

[B-Man]

BOOM: South Africa Calls for 300,000 Gun Owners to Turn Over Their Weapons.

 

Though South Africa witnessed rising levels of economic freedom shortly after Apartheid ended in 1994, the country has taken a more interventionist path to economic development in recent years.

 

This situation is becoming more pronounced with the South African National Assembly recently voting 241-83 to amend the South African constitution to allow for land expropriation without compensation.

 

The socialist-leaning African National Congress (ANC) and the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) parties are leading the charge for expropriation under the banner of fixing racial disparities that have supposedly remained intact since Apartheid’s conclusion.

 

While land confiscation has not been officially finalized, South Africans should worry about the direction their country is going.

 

And how does gun control fit into this equation?

 

I think you know the answer to that.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

23 minutes ago, B-Man said:

BOOM: South Africa Calls for 300,000 Gun Owners to Turn Over Their Weapons.

 

Though South Africa witnessed rising levels of economic freedom shortly after Apartheid ended in 1994, the country has taken a more interventionist path to economic development in recent years.

 

This situation is becoming more pronounced with the South African National Assembly recently voting 241-83 to amend the South African constitution to allow for land expropriation without compensation.

 

The socialist-leaning African National Congress (ANC) and the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) parties are leading the charge for expropriation under the banner of fixing racial disparities that have supposedly remained intact since Apartheid’s conclusion.

 

While land confiscation has not been officially finalized, South Africans should worry about the direction their country is going.

 

And how does gun control fit into this equation?

 

I think you know the answer to that.

 

If ever there was a case for Molon Labe, this is it.

 

If the blacks of that country decide to make a land grab, I hope the cost is very, VERY steep.

 

[TakeYouToTasker]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

BOOM: South Africa Calls for 300,000 Gun Owners to Turn Over Their Weapons.

 

Though South Africa witnessed rising levels of economic freedom shortly after Apartheid ended in 1994, the country has taken a more interventionist path to economic development in recent years.

 

This situation is becoming more pronounced with the South African National Assembly recently voting 241-83 to amend the South African constitution to allow for land expropriation without compensation.

 

The socialist-leaning African National Congress (ANC) and the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) parties are leading the charge for expropriation under the banner of fixing racial disparities that have supposedly remained intact since Apartheid’s conclusion.

 

While land confiscation has not been officially finalized, South Africans should worry about the direction their country is going.

 

And how does gun control fit into this equation?

 

I think you know the answer to that.

 

This was the very predictable next step.

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

This was the very predictable next step.

 

Think it might be about time to put some of my IRA in to precious metals...

[3rdnlng]

24 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Think it might be about time to put some of my IRA in to precious metals...

Is lead a precious metal?

[B-Man]

Why School Gun Incidents are Significantly Overstated

Posted by Kemberlee Kaye
8/30/2018

 

The number thrown around most -- 240 -- is alarmingly high. It's also incorrect................ By a lot.

 

 

More at the link:

[boyst]

I've had 3, to my memory, former employees, shot and killed in the last year.  I fired two of them prior to this, btw.

 

One was killed this am

[3rdnlng]

2 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

I've had 3, to my memory, former employees, shot and killed in the last year.  I fired two of them prior to this, btw.

 

One was killed this am

What's the common denominator? Just asking.

[boyst]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

What's the common denominator? Just asking.

Honestly, the most recent would have probably been alive had I not fired him.  It happened when he would have been at work.

[3rdnlng]

1 minute ago, Boyst62 said:

Honestly, the most recent would have probably been alive had I not fired him.  It happened when he would have been at work.

I was just trying to connect the dots.

[Buffalo_Gal]

Anyone here live in Arkansas?


Krissy Noble killed a man in self-defense: legal, courts say. But she used her husband's gun. Cue the prosecution.

Last December, while 11 weeks pregnant, Krissy Noble was attacked in her Arkansas home by an intruder. The intruder had come by the apartment earlier, asking for her husband, but she didn’t know him. On checking, she found out that her husband did not know the man, either; it later turned out that the name he gave Noble was false. When he came by again, she was on the phone with her husband, who said that he would send a neighbor to check out the situation. At the door, however, she was tackled and punched. Breaking free, and fearing for her life — and that of her child — she grabbed her husband’s pistol, which she had placed on the coffee table after the first suspicious visit , and shot the man three times. Then she ran to the neighbor’s apartment and told her to call 911.

Edited September 7, 2018 by Buffalo_Gal

[TakeYouToTasker]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Anyone here live in Arkansas?


Krissy Noble killed a man in self-defense: legal, courts say. But she used her husband's gun. Cue the prosecution.

Last December, while 11 weeks pregnant, Krissy Noble was attacked in her Arkansas home by an intruder. The intruder had come by the apartment earlier, asking for her husband, but she didn’t know him. On checking, she found out that her husband did not know the man, either; it later turned out that the name he gave Noble was false. When he came by again, she was on the phone with her husband, who said that he would send a neighbor to check out the situation. At the door, however, she was tackled and punched. Breaking free, and fearing for her life — and that of her child — she grabbed her husband’s pistol, which she had placed on the coffee table after the first suspicious visit , and shot the man three times. Then she ran to the neighbor’s apartment and told her to call 911.

 

That is an absolutely horrifying attempt at a gross miscarriage of justice.

 

Whomever advanced the decision to prosecute, and everyone who signed off, should have a mob with pitchforks and torches on their front lawn.

[DC Tom]

47 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

That is an absolutely horrifying attempt at a gross miscarriage of justice.

 

Whomever advanced the decision to prosecute, and everyone who signed off, should have a mob with pitchforks and torches on their front lawn.

 

And just think...by this precedent, if the attacker had a gun, and she's wrestled it away from him and shot him, she'd still be guilty of illegal possession of a firearm.

 

I can't imagine a jury convicting her on this.

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

That is an absolutely horrifying attempt at a gross miscarriage of justice.

 

Whomever advanced the decision to prosecute, and everyone who signed off, should have a mob with pitchforks and torches on their front lawn.

 

That would be a fun plea negotiation with the DA: "Either dismiss the charges and stop hassling this woman, or I'll humiliate you in front of a jury, then hold a press conference to make fun of you further after the acquittal."

Edited September 7, 2018 by Koko78

[GoBills808]

On 8/21/2018 at 6:28 AM, Chris farley said:

Where legal CC concentration is high, gun crime is low.

 

Shoot, where legal gun ownership, concentration is high, gun crime is low.

 

 

 

 

You realize, of course, that Illinois permits CCW. 

[3rdnlng]

5 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

You realize, of course, that Illinois permits CCW. 

What's Chicago's law?

[The_Dude]

On 8/25/2018 at 1:41 PM, B-Man said:

HIGHER EDUCATION BUBBLE UPDATE: My professor canceled office hours because KU allows concealed carry, says he ‘no longer feels safe.’

 

 

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I’m a “guns guy” and that’s a complex issue, man. 

 

I don’t want some untrained jackass shooting down a corridor, especially if the halls are made of cinderblock/brick as is the case in many schools. 

 

I think most people are too stupid to carry in a school. 

[GoBills808]

20 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

What's Chicago's law?

Roughly the same. You need firearm owner's ID to own, which includes a training course and background check, and additional application for concealed carry permit. 

[B-Man]

 

 

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[IDBillzFan]

5 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

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Oh, I remember when that picture was taken. It was a commercial Barry was in. He was standing on the side of the road and a passing car threw trash out the window and it landed by his feet.

 

No. Wait. That Elizabeth Warren.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Here is a "wonderful" story:

 

https://amp.slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/botham-shem-jean-shooting-dallas-cop-kills-neighbor-after-going-into-his-apartment-thinking-it-was-her-own.html

 

Just hang out @ your pad and get killed by a confused cop.  The brightest and finest!

 

"In a very case that still seems to have a lot of open questions, a Dallas police officer will be facing manslaughter charges after she shot and killed a 26-year-old man in his own apartment. The officer, who has not been identified, thought she had gone into her own apartment when she had actually gone into her neighbor’s home and apparently thought he was an intruder."

Edited September 8, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois

[DC Tom]

14 hours ago, LABillzFan said:

 

Oh, I remember when that picture was taken. It was a commercial Barry was in. He was standing on the side of the road and a passing car threw trash out the window and it landed by his feet.

 

Funny as **** because, for those who don't know, the character in that commercial was played by an Italian. 

43 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Here is a "wonderful" story:

 

https://amp.slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/botham-shem-jean-shooting-dallas-cop-kills-neighbor-after-going-into-his-apartment-thinking-it-was-her-own.html

 

Just hang out @ your pad and get killed by a confused cop.  The brightest and finest!

 

"In a very case that still seems to have a lot of open questions, a Dallas police officer will be facing manslaughter charges after she shot and killed a 26-year-old man in his own apartment. The officer, who has not been identified, thought she had gone into her own apartment when she had actually gone into her neighbor’s home and apparently thought he was an intruder."

 

That she was a cop is incidental to the story.

 

And the charges are entirely appropriate.

[ExiledInIllinois]

5 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Funny as **** because, for those who don't know, the character in that commercial was played by an Italian. 

 

That she was a cop is incidental to the story.

 

And the charges are entirely appropriate.

Might not be.  Working a full shift, possibly with the pukes of the world, lowest of low and having to deal with them.  She may have been on edge.  Tapped out... Stressed out.

[/dev/null]

41 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Might not be.  Working a full shift, possibly with the pukes of the world, lowest of low and having to deal with them.  She may have been on edge.  Tapped out... Stressed out.

And totally irrelevant

[ExiledInIllinois]

12 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

And totally irrelevant

Yeah... I want to see it that way.  Hell of a precedent if it isn't irrelevant.  But humans aren't RoboCops. Stresses cause humans to breakdown, make mistakes.  Like "thinking about seeing family and friends ever again."  Then those thoughts while doing the job should be irrelevant.

[The_Dude]

1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

 

 

That she was a cop is incidental to the story.

 

The fact she’s a cop is VERY concerning. I’ve been saying for years cops need higher standards and higher pay. Kinda hard to argue with me when they do crap like this. 

 

A girl i used to date in high school — her brother heard a noise in his kitchen and went to check it out. 3 of “Atlanta’s finest.” They shot him in the leg and killed his dog because they not only went to the wrong house but they let themselves in through an unlocked door. Retarded cops are a very real thing and very concerning. 

 

Itd be cool if their standards weren’t the same as Walmart’s. 

1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Might not be.  Working a full shift, possibly with the pukes of the world, lowest of low and having to deal with them.  She may have been on edge.  Tapped out... Stressed out.

 

And so her tiny woman brain couldn’t figure out which apartment was hers?

 

I mean in my most unsober of states ive never messed that up. She was sober. A man lost his life because of woman and her tiny brain. Sad. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

13 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

The fact she’s a cop is VERY concerning. I’ve been saying for years cops need higher standards and higher pay. Kinda hard to argue with me when they do crap like this. 

 

A girl i used to date in high school — her brother heard a noise in his kitchen and went to check it out. 3 of “Atlanta’s finest.” They shot him in the leg and killed his dog because they not only went to the wrong house but they let themselves in through an unlocked door. Retarded cops are a very real thing and very concerning. 

 

Itd be cool if their standards weren’t the same as Walmart’s. 

 

And so her tiny woman brain couldn’t figure out which apartment was hers?

 

I mean in my most unsober of states ive never messed that up. She was sober. A man lost his life because of woman and her tiny brain. Sad. 

That's what it says.  She just finished full shift, still wearing uni.  I hope she wasn't bending the elbow in uniform?

 

She sees a Caribbean (from St.Lucia what it says) man in "her" apartment and goes off.  I assume she rattled door, got key stuck... Then he opened?  How did she get in?  Doesn't she know her neighbors?

 

The stresses of the job will play heavily on this case.  Again, not Robo Dr. Spock's.

[The_Dude]

5 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

That's what it says.  She just finished full shift, still wearing uni.  I hope she wasn't bending the elbow in uniform?

 

She sees a Caribbean (from St.Lucia what it says) man in "her" apartment and goes off.  I assume she rattled door, got key stuck... Then he opened?  How did she get in?  Doesn't she know her neighbors?

 

The stresses of the job will play heavily on this case.  Again, not Robo Dr. Spock's.

 

She’s an idiot. I wouldn’t make that mistake drunk. I hope she gets nothing less than 30 years. But that’s me being hopeful. 

 

LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP!

[ExiledInIllinois]

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1238135002

 

 

"A day after a gunman killed three and wounded two others in the lobby of Fifth Third's headquarters, the bank's CEO said America needs to end the mass shootings that have repeatedly erupted across the country."

 

 

[DC Tom]

3 hours ago, The_Dude said:

 

The fact she’s a cop is VERY concerning.

 

 

"Cop" isn't an identity, it's a job.