Buftex Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 One of the (many) downsides of constant co-ordinator changes could be losing guys like Manny Lawson. I am still not really sure how much different Schwartz defense will be than Pettines... http://espn.go.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/7598/lawsons-future-with-bills-remains-cloudy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Keep him, use him as strong side LB, or see if he can play DE opposite side of Mario. Most of these DE/OLB hybrids have flexibility. Manny has proven he can play in the NFL, there's no reason to boot him off the team, at the very least he's solid depth, if not a solid starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 If Lawson gets cut, that's a bad sign. My hopes for the Schwartz Era are not high, but we'll see. Hopefully he's smart enough to adapt his D to the guys who are here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I think we keep Lawson and see how he adjusts this season to Schwartz and then decide. CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 This is a quota piece by hackrodak. With absolutely nothing to speculate on other then some nobody who was cut yesterday for reasons unknown he draws for anything he can to shroud a question on Lawson. My guess is that he had nothing much to write and saw some dude was cut and figures this is a good way to get clicks and headlines. Good players find the field. If Lawson doesn't find the field in 2014 it isn't just because the system doesn't fit. Hackrodak could have chosen the same piece on Carrington, Hughes, Alonso, McKelvin, AWilliams, Dareus, or Robey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 4, 2014 Author Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) This is a quota piece by hackrodak. With absolutely nothing to speculate on other then some nobody who was cut yesterday for reasons unknown he draws for anything he can to shroud a question on Lawson. My guess is that he had nothing much to write and saw some dude was cut and figures this is a good way to get clicks and headlines. Good players find the field. If Lawson doesn't find the field in 2014 it isn't just because the system doesn't fit. Hackrodak could have chosen the same piece on Carrington, Hughes, Alonso, McKelvin, AWilliams, Dareus, or Robey. One of the stranger parts of the article, for me anyways, he writes that an NFL GM told him the Bills overpaid for Lawson...but the numbers quoted in the same article, seem miniscule in todays NFL. I guess all the speculation I have read says that Schwartz will run that "9 wide" contraption...but then Marrone says that he wants the Bills defense to be "the same, but better" next year. Whatever that means. If there is some real structural change in the scheme, it may put a different priority on D-linemen and/or Linebackers... so somebody could get caught up in a numbers game. I just thought Lawson was really good last year...for all we know, there is likely a chance we are hiring a new DC in 2015. Edited March 4, 2014 by Buftex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nichebiche Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 It's certainly very easy to connect the dots. If we cut Willie Jefferson → then Manny Lawson is not a fit for this defense. Completely logical. Makes perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 If Lawson gets cut, that's a bad sign. My hopes for the Schwartz Era are not high, but we'll see. Hopefully he's smart enough to adapt his D to the guys who are here. Agreed. I'm higher on Schwartz but Lawson was a very solid player when healthy. Great at setting an edge. Smart guy who seems like a good leader. You find a place for guys like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 The Lawson I watched this season played didn't play a pass rushing 3-4 OLB... He's fast,tall and big and athletic. I think he'd be a great OLB in a 4-3. http://www.cincyjungle.com/2011/8/6/2348325/covering-up-the-bengals-pass-rush-manny-lawson-scouting-report http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3692/manny-lawson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I dont see any scenario where Lawson isnt starting at OLB again for this Bills this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 First of all I never had a handle on what defense we were running last year - it was kinda a 3-4 except we didn't have a real nose tackle in fact it was more like a 4-3 except instead of a RDE you had a 3-4 OLB and you had 3 4-3 OLBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 First of all I never had a handle on what defense we were running last year - it was kinda a 3-4 except we didn't have a real nose tackle in fact it was more like a 4-3 except instead of a RDE you had a 3-4 OLB and you had 3 4-3 OLBs I agree. How do you label Alonso? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 We effectively played a 4-3 last year, just lined up non traditionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 One of the stranger parts of the article, for me anyways, he writes that an NFL GM told him the Bills overpaid for Lawson...but the numbers quoted in the same article, seem miniscule in todays NFL. For all we know that NFL GM probably doesn't care for Lawson as a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I agree. How do you label Alonso? He could probably be pretty effective at a couple LB positions but 4-3 WOLB might be best on the other hand if he puts on 5-7 lbs and retains his speed and MLB could be the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 One of the stranger parts of the article, for me anyways, he writes that an NFL GM told him the Bills overpaid for Lawson...but the numbers quoted in the same article, seem miniscule in todays NFL. I thought that was odd too. Those numbers seem perfectly reasonable and I think he at least played up to them last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 If Lawson gets cut, that's a bad sign. My hopes for the Schwartz Era are not high, but we'll see. Hopefully he's smart enough to adapt his D to the guys who are here. It's what he has said, and what Whaley has said Schwartz told him, just in the last day or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bufcomments Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Keep Lawson no doubt. He's is a solid player. We played basically a 4-3 most of the yr anyway. I would like them to get a MLB and switch Kiko to the outside where he might be even more effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 If history is a precursor to what could happen now that we are once again changing D coordinators we will cut him & add his contract to this years dead money pool & defer it to the following year so we can't sign CJ & the others when their contracts run out ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 I dont see any scenario where Lawson isnt starting at OLB again for this Bills this season Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) When I look back at last year there are a number of players I thought at one time or another, "get rid of the bum". I never said "That Lawson is a superstar", but he never was a player I said "what a bum". Solid, reliable. A team needs more of that kind of players than they do superstars. Except maybe at QB Edited March 5, 2014 by simpleman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 sounds like the new guys are going to start so what about Manny? http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/bills-add-spikes-introduce-rivers-in-lb-overhaul-20140314?two-bills-drive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 sounds like the new guys are going to start so what about Manny? http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/bills-add-spikes-introduce-rivers-in-lb-overhaul-20140314?two-bills-drive I believe he can play some DE and SAM on padding downs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I believe he can play some DE and SAM on padding downs Edge run setter on rush downs and pass rusher on passing downs...his versatility will be very useful as will his long arms on setting the edge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/166169-manny-lawson-what-will-become-of-him/ We recently had a similar thread about this topic. Well, not similar, but exactly the same. Not trying to poop on your thread since you genuinely are interested, just figuring you didn't see it. I need to watch the 2013 films start to finish some time soon before its too late to bother. I am getting laid off so I don't want to shell out $25 unnecessary bucks. I am still thinking on how we will be in 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I did not see other thread, sorry. Mods delete or merge, I will be more careful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I did not see other thread, sorry. Mods delete or merge, I will be more careful. No need to worry - at least in my opinion. Generating good discussion in a similar thread is not the end of the world. It promotes good discussion. Similar threads being made for what amount to LAMP's (look at my posts) where posters just give some diatribe of personal viewpoints and attacks, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 No need to worry - at least in my opinion. Generating good discussion in a similar thread is not the end of the world. It promotes good discussion. Similar threads being made for what amount to LAMP's (look at my posts) where posters just give some diatribe of personal viewpoints and attacks, etc. I hate forum clutter, and try not to create redundant threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 A picture for the thoughts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Lawson isn't going anywhere, Whaley praised his versatility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juno999 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Lawson is a versatile player and he is not expensive. Plus, Spikes and Rivers are primarily run stoppers and not 3 down LBs. Worse case scenario for Lawson is he'll be rotated in on passing downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 One of the (many) downsides of constant co-ordinator changes could be losing guys like Manny Lawson. I am still not really sure how much different Schwartz defense will be than Pettines... http://espn.go.com/b...-remains-cloudy Schwartz will be a bit more conventional and try to stop the run where Pettine was all about pressure on QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) Keep Lawson no doubt. He's is a solid player. We played basically a 4-3 most of the yr anyway. I would like them to get a MLB and switch Kiko to the outside where he might be even more effective. The team said kiko and rivers are olb and Lawson is an "edge player" Sounds like a man without a home, hoping he can stick as a utility wide 9 end or olb depth Schwartz will be a bit more conventional and try to stop the run where Pettine was all about pressure on QB. Not quite what id say. Schwartz hasn't been a knockout at yards per carry lately, but the last few years no one had attempts (lions bad secondary and high scoring offense). No attempts means few total yards. He sends his lineman after the qb hard leaving lanes but hoping the disruption in the backfield helps, and lets a big MLB (spikes) hopefully clean up behind. Edited March 15, 2014 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Lawson isn't going anywhere, Whaley praised his versatility OTOH: http://www.torontosun.com/2014/03/04/qa-bills-gm-whaley-says-not-tagging-byrd-sets-up-more-amicable-negotiation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I'm confused as to why Lawson wouldn't be the starting SAM 'backer, he seemed damn good against both run and pass last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsguy Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I think we keep Lawson and see how he adjusts this season to Schwartz and then decide. CBF I am not too excited by the acquisition of Spikes and Rivers in general, but I am cheered by the fact that Manny Lawson and Nigel Bradham will get a well deserved demotion. The Bills group of linebackers was the worst in the league last year in spite of Alonso's decent play. I think on paper they improved somewhat, but still not contender status. You really don't build championship caliber teams picking up fringe players in free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I am not too excited by the acquisition of Spikes and Rivers in general, but I am cheered by the fact that Manny Lawson and Nigel Bradham will get a well deserved demotion. The Bills group of linebackers was the worst in the league last year in spite of Alonso's decent play. I think on paper they improved somewhat, but still not contender status. You really don't build championship caliber teams picking up fringe players in free agency. you lost all credibility at manny getting a well deserved demotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 you lost all credibility at manny getting a well deserved demotion. Is it really even a "given" that Rivers will kick Lawson to the curb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackInDaDay Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Personally, I prefer an attacking defense where the idea is to flood a gap and force the offense to react by altering their blocking assignments. I haven't seen much tape on our biggest breakdowns, but I'd guess we were funneled away from the play - either by a change in the call or assignments or both.. that happens to any D that takes risks - but even risks should be mitigated by secondary personnel carrying out their responsibilities.. our young guys blew some reads that made matters worse.. from what I saw of Lawson - I don't recall seeing him failing to adapt during such breakdowns.. if anything, I seem to recall him being in the right position to keep some plays from breaking big.. wish I could give games/plays, but I can only recall that on more than a couple occasions I thought he was the difference in a play - and that's what I'm left with.. regardless of how Schwartz installs his D, having a heads up ball player like Lawson is a big advantage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I am cheered by the fact that Manny Lawson and Nigel Bradham will get a well deserved demotion. I admit I did not see all the games last year. But I just can not remember Lawson having a game where I said "Boy is he bad". Not a superstar by any means, but I remember seeing a smart, solid player. To you and those that seem to think he deserves a demotion, can you point out specific plays in specific games that gave you such a negative view of Lawson? Please educate this obviously uninformed football viewer with specifics that will educate and inform me better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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