row_33 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Cinga said: Single payer is not even an option in Constitutional Republic which I think we still are. Single payer assumes the government can control prices and wages for an entire segment of the population which is totally against any protections reserved to the People. Yeah but telling the poor to die because of illnesses that can be easily treated is barbaric As disgusting as slavery 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 41 minutes ago, row_33 said: Yeah but telling the poor to die because of illnesses that can be easily treated is barbaric As disgusting as slavery Coincidentally, so is telling them to get vaccinated against diseases that can easily kill them. Funny ol' world, inn'it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 HE’S NOT WRONG: Rep. Mark Green: I’m an ER doctor, here’s why socialized medicine would be a total disaster for America. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 16 hours ago, B-Man said: HE’S NOT WRONG: Rep. Mark Green: I’m an ER doctor, here’s why socialized medicine would be a total disaster for America. . Anyone else also remember how Obamacare was also going to cut down on the lines at the emergency room? Actually had the opposite effect didn't it since now people could go there instead of waiting on an appointment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 16 hours ago, B-Man said: HE’S NOT WRONG: Rep. Mark Green: I’m an ER doctor, here’s why socialized medicine would be a total disaster for America. . Quote Soon, we’re going to wake up in a world where we have VA-style health care. I’m a veteran, so let me tell you – you don’t want VA-style healthcare. Ask a veteran you know, they’ll say the same. If you ask this veteran he'll tell you the exact opposite. I get a lot of my care at the VA. I get right in and the care is as good as I can get with my private insurance (which I HATE). I did start going to VA in 1977 and it was BAD at that time. When I got a real job I used private insurance and a few years ago I went back to VA due to the ever increasing cost of insurance and high deductibles and co pays. Color me very impressed. They've come a long way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 21 hours ago, row_33 said: Yeah but telling the poor to die because of illnesses that can be easily treated is barbaric As disgusting as slavery Oh brother! Is there an epidemic of poor people dying in the United States? This isn’t 1500 France! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: This isn’t 1500 France! Thank God for that. Who the ***** wants to speak ancient French? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Koko78 said: Thank God for that. Who the ***** wants to speak ancient French? Careful, you’ll be called a racist for hating on ancient French people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Careful, you’ll be called a racist for hating on ancient French people. ***** them cheese-eating surrender monkeys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Koko78 said: Thank God for that. Who the ***** wants to speak ancient French? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 14 hours ago, reddogblitz said: If you ask this veteran he'll tell you the exact opposite. I get a lot of my care at the VA. I get right in and the care is as good as I can get with my private insurance (which I HATE). I did start going to VA in 1977 and it was BAD at that time. When I got a real job I used private insurance and a few years ago I went back to VA due to the ever increasing cost of insurance and high deductibles and co pays. Color me very impressed. They've come a long way. And which Federal Administration do credit for making those changes? GHW Bush WJ Clinton GW Bush BH Obama DJ Trump Asking for a friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 8 hours ago, Nanker said: And which Federal Administration do credit for making those changes? GHW Bush WJ Clinton GW Bush BH Obama DJ Trump Asking for a friend. Tell your friend I don't know and I don't care. It's good now so that's all I care about. I started going back there in late Obama/early Trump administration so I wouldn't give him all the credit. The Mission act of 2018 has made more improvements. It was passed by congress 347-70. So I don't think we can give all credit to Trump and Rs. bottom line is its providing quality care to veterans based on my experience. Can't i just be happy about that without getting all political about it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 JON GABRIEL: Democrats own the Obamacare mess. Can any presidential candidates fix it? “Conservatives didn’t create our ‘unjust and inefficient’ health-care system. You built that, Democrats.” . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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/dev/null Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-7-timebomb-with-less-than-six-months-until-support-ends-76-of-nhs-computers-not-yet-on-windows-10/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 ? Democratic candidates agree: Obamacare is horrible didn’t fix anything . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 SOCIALISM MEANS CARING: Let fat people die to save NHS money, says Michael Buerk. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 The World: Life Expectancy (2020) - Top 100+ Est. 54. United States of America 79.5 2020 (Est.) http://www.geoba.se/population.php?pc=world&type=015&year=2020&page=1 I thought the US had the best health care system and by far the most expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, ALF said: The World: Life Expectancy (2020) - Top 100+ Est. 54. United States of America 79.5 2020 (Est.) http://www.geoba.se/population.php?pc=world&type=015&year=2020&page=1 I thought the US had the best health care system and by far the most expensive We also have the worst diet and several cities that are almost war zones But don't let those silly details get in the way of your Narrative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, /dev/null said: We also have the worst diet and several cities that are almost war zones But don't let those silly details get in the way of your Narrative So poverty and poor education is a big problem then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, ALF said: The World: Life Expectancy (2020) - Top 100+ Est. 54. United States of America 79.5 2020 (Est.) http://www.geoba.se/population.php?pc=world&type=015&year=2020&page=1 I thought the US had the best health care system and by far the most expensive The myth that doctors keep a population alive longer. Our medical system treats sick people, it doesn't keep people healthy. Edited August 25, 2019 by keepthefaith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, /dev/null said: We also have the worst diet and several cities that are almost war zones But don't let those silly details get in the way of your Narrative How can the poor have a healthy diet ? Why can't law enforcement bring order to problem cities ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 30 minutes ago, /dev/null said: We also have the worst diet and several cities that are almost war zones But don't let those silly details get in the way of your Narrative Have read (but haven't confirmed) that the US also treats babies that are born but will die very shortly after birth as live births but that many other countries treat them as still births (I.e., they don't count against life expectancy statistics). If that is accurate, adjusting the treatment of those births would move the US up in the rankings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, ALF said: How can the poor have a healthy diet ? Why can't law enforcement bring order to problem cities ? Not just 'the poor' have an unhealthy diet. Fast food, junk food, and processed foods cause alot of America's health problems across social strata. And 'the poor' in the United States are better fed than most of the rest of the world Law Enforcement cannot bring 'order' to the problem cities for several reasons. Chief among these is the failed "War on Drugs". Prohibition leads to black markets. Black markets lead to turf wars. Turf wars lead to violence Another is a culture treating LEO as 'the enemy' rather than respecting the service they provide to the general public 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 22 minutes ago, Taro T said: Have read (but haven't confirmed) that the US also treats babies that are born but will die very shortly after birth as live births but that many other countries treat them as still births (I.e., they don't count against life expectancy statistics). If that is accurate, adjusting the treatment of those births would move the US up in the rankings. ...the woefully inept, unqualified cardboard cutout propped up by ex-Clintonites from the "criminal syndicate" was charged with carrying on the bloviating pant suit's vision for universal health care....SMH...... 2 minutes ago, /dev/null said: Not just 'the poor' have an unhealthy diet. Fast food, junk food, and processed foods cause alot of America's health problems across social strata. And 'the poor' in the United States are better fed than most of the rest of the world Law Enforcement cannot bring 'order' to the problem cities for several reasons. Chief among these is the failed "War on Drugs". Prohibition leads to black markets. Black markets lead to turf wars. Turf wars lead to violence Another is a culture treating LEO as 'the enemy' rather than respecting the service they provide to the general public ...NYS spends $62.4 BILLION on welfare......money well spent my azz......how many come to this state because of Governor Guido's ineptitude?...think my 20 grand in NYS income taxes is well spent?.....retiring to Florida shortly..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 I still think that the massive income inequality is a major problem. Just trying to have a honest and civil exchange to major problems that need solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ALF said: I still think that the massive income inequality is a major problem. Just trying to have a honest and civil exchange to major problems that need solutions. Massive income inequality between whom? The median HOUSEHOLD income is around 50k per year. What do you think the median household iPhone number is? Or smart watch? How much do those things cost? Imagine if instead of getting everyone in the family the new iPhone, they got McDonald’s less and bought some fresh produce. Maybe thats “unreasonable”. I find it hard to feel sympathy for the poor who just “can’t” eat healthy but are 300 lbs at 25. These folks aren’t starving, clearly they are affording something. Edited August 25, 2019 by BringBackOrton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 24 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...NYS spends $62.4 BILLION on welfare......money well spent my azz......how many come to this state because of Governor Guido's ineptitude?...think my 20 grand in NYS income taxes is well spent?.....retiring to Florida shortly..... That's the problem , how to solve it is the big question. I don't blame you for retiring in Florida , a state with no income tax. I retired here on a small enough pension to pay very small state income tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, ALF said: I still think that the massive income inequality is a major problem. Just trying to have a honest and civil exchange to major problems that need solutions. Why do you believe income inequality is a problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Why do you believe income inequality is a problem? Wealth inequality in the United States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States It could be the problem or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, ALF said: Wealth inequality in the United States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States It could be the problem or not I can solve the puzzle. It’s not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, ALF said: Wealth inequality in the United States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States It could be the problem or not Wealth or income inequality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, GG said: Wealth or income inequality? I would think total wealth . Someone earning minimum wage does not have the higher education of a engineer. The gap gets much wider after that example. High income invested wisely becomes higher wealth to me. Edited August 25, 2019 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 45 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Why do you believe income inequality is a problem? because the tv and internet told him it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, /dev/null said: because the tv and internet told him it is I'm old , it's what I have seen in a lifetime way before internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Our poor in this country would be considered rich in many other countries. Income inequality is a crockofshit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 46 minutes ago, ALF said: Wealth inequality in the United States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States It could be the problem or not Are you talking about wealth or income? Also, I’d like to know why you think the disparity matters or is problematic. Edited August 25, 2019 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: Are you talking about wealth or income? Also, I’d like to know why you think the disparity matters or is problematic. One problem is the working poor who earn too much to qualify for medicaid , who cannot afford medical and dental coverage if their job does not provide it. Barely living paycheck to paycheck with no savings is a real problem for too many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, ALF said: One problem is the working poor who earn too much to qualify for medicaid , who cannot afford medical and dental coverage if their job does not provide it. Barely living paycheck to paycheck with no savings is a real problem for too many. Wealth or income? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, ALF said: One problem is the working poor who earn too much to qualify for medicaid , who cannot afford medical and dental coverage if their job does not provide it. Barely living paycheck to paycheck with no savings is a real problem for too many. So is the answer to give them more handouts, or give them opportunities to find a better-paying jobs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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