Last Guy on the Bench Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) For those of you who, unlike me, actually know something about college ball, which of the QBs in this year's draft are best in the clutch? The clutch could mean 4th quarter, against the best teams, when they are behind, when they are on the road, against serious pass rush pressure, etc. To me that's the most important factor for a QB. I don't watch college football at all. So like many people I spend this time of year watching every YouTube clip and reading every blog/mock I can find. But I haven't been able to figure out which of these guys really bring it when life gets difficult. Smith, Barkley, Manuel, Nassib, Wilson, Bray, Scott, Jones, Glennon? Who's got sand? Edited March 2, 2013 by Last Guy on the Bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 I'm not a drafting or guru, but I remember 2 comeback victories from Mike Glennon. One against North Carolina where his receivers dropped 10 of his passes. Another against Florida State who had one of the best pass defenses in NCAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRivRoc Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Honestly, none of these guys can really be called clutch. If my team was down 6 with two minutes to go and we needed a touchdown I'm not sure who out of this group I'd want. Maybe geno smith? But, IMO none of them can be called clutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Guy on the Bench Posted March 2, 2013 Author Share Posted March 2, 2013 Honestly, none of these guys can really be called clutch. If my team was down 6 with two minutes to go and we needed a touchdown I'm not sure who out of this group I'd want. Maybe geno smith? But, IMO none of them can be called clutch. Well that's depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) Well that's depressing. It's tough - in a short season, with a couple cream puffs in the schedule to boot, you only get so many shots to "show it" in a down 6 2 mins to go situation. I watched geno more than any other and he had some close wins and losses. Beating a top 25 Baylor team throwing a million tds to win 70-63 was pretty high pressure. Beating a top 25 Texas 48-45 the following week was also a good win. Lost in OT by one when tcu got a two pointer, but he had put up a td in his opportunity. Geno gets beat up for the losses bad but in the WVU collapse the defense gave up an average of about 49 points per game over a 5 game stretch of losses, and thats disregarding the 45 and 63 they gave up in 2 wins before that. 7 game run of 51 points allowed on average. He's not without any question marks, but that's pretty awful to deal with over a 2 month period. Edited March 2, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRivRoc Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Well that's depressing. It's depressing that we decided to take a QB this year...when I was screaming at my tv for Russell Wilson in the third last year. Well, what are ya going to do? GO BILLS Super Bowl or Bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Taj Boyd ! I know he isn't coming out this year but did you see his bowl game ? Talk about a stud QB now thats what i'm talkin bout !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Geno Smith if you didn't see this game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggerdaddynj Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Well that's depressing. We're Bills' fans--of course, the year that Buddy finally concedes that we need a QB is the year the QBs are mediocre at best (frankly, the guy should have already been fired--the miscalculation on the Fitz extension and not admitting/correcting his mishandling of the QB situation were sufficient justification--it made no sense to keep him around Whaley is more than ready and is surely qualified and is knowledgeable about the roster so there is institutional knowledge for the new coaching staff to rely on). We're not snake-bitten to the degree Cubs' fans or Red Sox fans are (or "were" in the latter instance) but we get f'ed on a regular basis. Sure some of you old-timers and those with better memories than me can come up with a load of examples--from "wide right" to "The Music City Miracle" (on a massive scale) to bad luck with the draft (imagine if the Niners hadn't picked Patrick Willis one spot ahead of us the year we needed a MLB, imagine if Seattle hadn't "over-reached" and drafted Russell Wilson in the 3rd round last year when we were allegedly ready to nab him in the 4th), etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superb Owl Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 It's depressing that we decided to take a QB this year...when I was screaming at my tv for Russell Wilson in the third last year. Well, what are ya going to do? GO BILLS Super Bowl or Bust Hook a microphone to you tv and connect it to the bills draft room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FleaMoulds80 Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 They all suck. Been saying this for the last couple months now. Worst QB class in awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I believe Ryan Nassib lead a couple 2 minute drives for victories over Louisville and Missouri. Both were huge wins....Louisville was ranked in the top 20, and the Missouri win clinched bowl eligibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 It's tough - in a short season, with a couple cream puffs in the schedule to boot, you only get so many shots to "show it" in a down 6 2 mins to go situation. Excellent point. In pro football the vast majority of games are close. In college football it's very different, and the season is shorter and careers are shorter. I believe Ryan Nassib lead a couple 2 minute drives for victories over Louisville and Missouri. Both were huge wins....Louisville was ranked in the top 20, and the Missouri win clinched bowl eligibility. There's probably a lot of posters here who don't appreciate that you pointed this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I believe Ryan Nassib lead a couple 2 minute drives for victories over Louisville and Missouri. Both were huge wins....Louisville was ranked in the top 20, and the Missouri win clinched bowl eligibility. Yep...And I'm pretty sure Barkley had some clutch performances in his USC years...He also lost a lot of big games...But anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 (edited) There's probably a lot of posters here who don't appreciate that you pointed this out. Yep...And I'm pretty sure Barkley had some clutch performances in his USC years...He also lost a lot of big games...But anyway... Didn't take long San Jose....lol. For the record, I'm not a Nassib guy. The OP's question was which of this year's QB prospects were the best "in the clutch." Being a Syracuse fan, those last second drives by Nassib for wins against Louisville and Missouri stood out to me. Nassib took the reins when the games were on the line, and he led his team to victories. That is clutch to me. Edited March 3, 2013 by Johnny Hammersticks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 For the record, I'm not a Nassib guy. The OP's question was which of this year's QB prospects were the best "in the clutch." Being a Syracuse fan, those last second drives by Nassib for wins against Louisville and Missouri stood out to me. Nassib took the reins when the games were on the line, and he led his team to victories. That is clutch to me. On account of that silly Superman outfit you wear, I can never tell when you're being serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I think the other big question to ask is who is the most accurate passer of the group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 For those of you who, unlike me, actually know something about college ball, which of the QBs in this year's draft are best in the clutch? The clutch could mean 4th quarter, against the best teams, when they are behind, when they are on the road, against serious pass rush pressure, etc. To me that's the most important factor for a QB. I don't watch college football at all. So like many people I spend this time of year watching every YouTube clip and reading every blog/mock I can find. But I haven't been able to figure out which of these guys really bring it when life gets difficult. Smith, Barkley, Manuel, Nassib, Wilson, Bray, Scott, Jones, Glennon? Who's got sand? none of them, that is why this is a poor QB draft they all have talents and flaws or are just average. The most clutch QB in College football is Johny Manziel and hopefully by some miracle we draft him next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Taj Boyd ! I know he isn't coming out this year but did you see his bowl game ? Talk about a stud QB now thats what i'm talkin bout !! I still can't believe the NFL draft advisory board gave Taj Boyd a middle round grade. I think he would've contended Geno Smith to be the first QB taken in the draft. Certainly a solid first round grade. There was no reason for him not to come out. I think a lot of it had to do with the advisory board clearly giving him bad advice, if you ask me. Wished he was an option for the Bills in this years draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superb Owl Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 I have been up and down on nassib but mentally he's the man. Clutchness seems veery important so I never understood why John beck had that in college but stunk in nfl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Geno Smith if you didn't see this game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF7F59WJrTU I think I was more surprised at how bad 22 was for Baylor. That game was a track meet. The worry I have with Geno is when their season went bad, he wasnt able to right the ship. Thats a big problem for Fitz too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 It's tough - in a short season, with a couple cream puffs in the schedule to boot, you only get so many shots to "show it" in a down 6 2 mins to go situation. This. I dont think there is enough evidence to say that any of them ARE or ARENT clutch. Close games that come down to a last drive dont happen much in college football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I think I was more surprised at how bad 22 was for Baylor. That game was a track meet. The worry I have with Geno is when their season went bad, he wasnt able to right the ship. Thats a big problem for Fitz too I'm not worried about Geno, that WVU defense wasone of the worst i've ever seen. You could have put Peyton Manning back there on offense,and it wasn't gonna matter,he would have lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 I'm not worried about Geno, that WVU defense wasone of the worst i've ever seen. You could have put Peyton Manning back there on offense,and it wasn't gonna matter,he would have lost. The same could be said for our defense this year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 The same could be said for our defense this year... Believe it or not,WVU's defense was far,far worse than ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Believe it or not,WVU's defense was far,far worse than ours. Thats an amazing achievement. I just worry how he deals with things when it gets tough. The NFL is a tough place to play. Will he bring the team up or go down with them? Its a question you have to ask Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Believe it or not,WVU's defense was far,far worse than ours. Well maybe far worse, but not far, far worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Thats an amazing achievement. I just worry how he deals with things when it gets tough. The NFL is a tough place to play. Will he bring the team up or go down with them? Its a question you have to ask I've heard he's not a fiery guy, but he is a worker,and he's always trying to improve. And I don't neccesarilly need my QB to be all rah rah. Let your play speak for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 It's depressing that we decided to take a QB this year...when I was screaming at my tv for Russell Wilson in the third last year. Well, what are ya going to do? GO BILLS Super Bowl or Bust so after 16 games are you convinced Russell Wilson is a franchise qb ? despite throwing for under 200 yards in 9 games Seahawks won with a tough running game (Lynch 14 games our of 16 with 80 or more yards) and a smoothering defense Wilson is fun to watch but I don't believe he's a franschise qb. Can you win with him- yep if you have a killer running attack and a tremendous defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 so after 16 games are you convinced Russell Wilson is a franchise qb ? despite throwing for under 200 yards in 9 games Seahawks won with a tough running game (Lynch 14 games our of 16 with 80 or more yards) and a smoothering defense Wilson is fun to watch but I don't believe he's a franschise qb. Can you win with him- yep if you have a killer running attack and a tremendous defense I believe he's a franchise quarterback. We'll know soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Thats an amazing achievement. I just worry how he deals with things when it gets tough. The NFL is a tough place to play. Will he bring the team up or go down with them? Its a question you have to ask They allowed over 50 points a game over a 2 month stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 so after 16 games are you convinced Russell Wilson is a franchise qb ? despite throwing for under 200 yards in 9 games Seahawks won with a tough running game (Lynch 14 games our of 16 with 80 or more yards) and a smoothering defense Wilson is fun to watch but I don't believe he's a franschise qb. Can you win with him- yep if you have a killer running attack and a tremendous defense http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannPe00/gamelog// Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Honestly, none of these guys can really be called clutch. If my team was down 6 with two minutes to go and we needed a touchdown I'm not sure who out of this group I'd want. Maybe geno smith? But, IMO none of them can be called clutch. Geno Smith has actually been pretty terrible when playing in stressful situations. Look at the end of this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Matt Scott had the best final minute of any of the QBs in the bowl games... http://espn.go.com/ncf/recap?id=323500012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section242 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 none of them, that is why this is a poor QB draft they all have talents and flaws or are just average. The most clutch QB in College football is Johny Manziel and hopefully by some miracle we draft him next year. Manziel had one game where he lead a winning drive in the last two minutes. He was bad in the 2nd half vs LSU and UF. Analytics in other sports and I say this because I haven't read any that would break down a QB's numbers in the last 4 minutes of a game point to most guys playing the way they always play in "stressful," or "clutch" situations. If it's true in football a bad QB will be bad in the last 4 minutes of a game i.e. Fitz and a good QB will be good in the last two minutes i.e. Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Manuel won 4 bowl games and the senior bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 The key to being clutch, as pointed out by Bill Barnwell, is to have the ball bounce your way early in your career. Play Brady's exact career in reverse and he'd be portrayed as an 8year choker up until the Panthers kicker booting the ball out of bounds. Likewise nobody cares that Big Ben came up small in a home game vs the Bengals with the playoffs on the line. Meanwhile Matt Ryan is not clutch even though he shredded the 49ers for 400+ yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 For the record, I'm not a Nassib guy. The OP's question was which of this year's QB prospects were the best "in the clutch." Being a Syracuse fan, those last second drives by Nassib for wins against Louisville and Missouri stood out to me. Nassib took the reins when the games were on the line, and he led his team to victories. That is clutch to me. You had the right idea here, but just to clarify for everyone, the two last minute drive wins this season by Nassib were against South Florida and Missouri, not Louisville. (Although it should be noted that because of Nassib, the Louisville game was pretty much over by halftime, as Syracuse won big). Against South Florida, Nassib had to come back from a 23-3 halftime deficit. With 1:23 left in the game, South Florida kicked a FG to open up a 5 point lead. After the kickoff, Nassib drove down the field and threw a TD on the last play of the game to win. Against Missouri, Syracuse gave up a FG with 1:52 left in the game to give Missouri a 3 point lead. Nassib proceeded to drive down the field and throw a 17 yard TD pass to Alec Lemon with 20 seconds left to take the victory. One other "clutch" performance to point out from Nassib this past season was the first game of the year against Northwestern. Syracuse was down 35-13 in the 3rd quarter. Nassib then threw 4 unanswered TDs to take a 41-35 lead with 2:40 to go in the game. All the defense had to do was hold Northwestern out of the endzone. Unfortunately, the defense didn't do it's job, so Nassib didn't get the win. But it was an incredible 2nd half performance to say the least. I don't know if Nassib is the most clutch QB in this year's draft, but I'd certainly say his performances speak for themselves in terms of showing the ability to lead a team down the field to win a game. I've seen every game of his career, and can say with certainty that he is a tough guy who is going to give you everything he has. He was the reason Syracuse had a decent season this year, and I'd be happy to see the Bills take him in the 2nd Rd. I think #8 overall is too early for him, but he won't last past round 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Manuel won 4 bowl games and the senior bowl The four bowl games Manuel won were all major bowl games. His aggregate stats for what they're worth: Passing: 74-108 for 813 yards (68.5 completion percentage, 7.53 ypa), 4 TDs, 0 ints Rushing: 38 rushes for 124 (3.2 ypc), 2 TDs 1 MVP (2010 Gator Bowl) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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