DrDawkinstein Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Top 10: 1. Luke Joeckel 2. Damontre Moore 3. Star Lotulelei 4. Dee Milliner 5. Jarvis Jones 6. Bjoern Werner 7. Chance Warmack 8. Manti Te'o 9. Barkevious Mingo 10. Dion Jordan Thanks Wayne! Ok, that draft is ridiculous! Teo at 8 with Mingo and Geno Smith still available? Not buying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 The big difference is Von Miller never had a game where he was so thoroughly outplayed that he didn't look like he belonged on the same field with his opponent. I admit I did not see much of Te'o before the BCS championship. I've also heard the reasons like bad day, long layoff, and Alabama players are big and mean. Fine. But to see a guy who was that highly touted be rendered utterly useless is shocking and frightening. You can't just dust that off and say "ha ha, we all have bad days." Te'o looked small, slow, and showed terrible technique tacking...if you want to call getting flicked off like a booger an attempt at tackling. Sorry. If Te'o is that lost against Alabama, then what's gonna happen in the NFL? PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 these mocks are pointless until after the combine and pro days where some players will skyrocket up the board and fall like a rock in other cases... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) Hopefully we don't judge a college kid on one game with there were 6 weeks off in between.. good or bad performance OK - so let's talk about that one game though - what DOES it mean, and why did he look so bad? There were multiple plays where he got to the ball-carrier unblocked and still couldn't make the tacklle, and even more plays where he wasn't just betaen by the blocker but looked completely helpless trying to disengage. Obviously he can't play like that in the NFL and be even remotely a good idea at #8 overall. It seems to me he is either horribly overrated based on prior weak competition AND/OR he was badly unprepared after the layoff to play in the most important game of his life. Which of those two possibilities makes him a good pick as a MLB at #8??? Ok, that draft is ridiculous! Teo at 8 with Mingo and Geno Smith still available? Not buying it. Geno Smith has been in the 20's on their big board for a while now. these mocks are pointless until after the combine and pro days where some players will skyrocket up the board and fall like a rock in other cases... And the Senior Bowl. Von Miller really solidified/improved his standing in that game - had to play out of position as a 4-3 DE and he still was terific. Edited January 16, 2013 by BobChalmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Pass I am not really a believer in drafting a linebacker in the top 10 philosophy.unless he is going to be a game changer. Getting a "Solid" MLB with the 8th overall pick just isn't worth it. When you pick a LB number 8 he better be a Patrick Willis or Clay Matthews type who can dominate the game. This pick would be kind of like the Aaron Curry/AJ Hawk type player who is either a bust or above average at his position. I would take a chance on the guy in the second as he fits our need but 8th no way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I'd be ok with Te'o at 8. I'd prefer a few other players but if he's the pick, I wouldn't cry. I think he'll be a very good player in the nfl and will continue to get better. I think he makes us much better vs the run and pass. He's a leader and a great person. We could do worse 8.....but we could also do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) Geno Smith has been in the 20's on their big board for a while now. Considering how accurate their big board usually is, I dont really care. If we identify a guy who can be our Franchise QB, take him while he is there. We're talking about the Quarterback position here! Edited January 16, 2013 by DrDareustein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Kiper's an idiot. Have a hard time believing that no QB will be taken in top 10, or even as he says in the first round. Last time that happened was 1996 with no QBs in first round and 2000 with no QB in top 10. Very unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAWNDO Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 How about Ogletree or J. Jones? I think I'd rather have either one of them at LB than Te'o at this point. Gotta agree with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Kiper's an idiot. Have a hard time believing that no QB will be taken in top 10, or even as he says in the first round. Last time that happened was 1996 with no QBs in first round and 2000 with no QB in top 10. Very unlikely. But you'd agree that no QB's should have been taken in 2007, right? Trent Edwards turned out to be the best of that bunch. How are some so certain that there even is a decent QB in the entire class? And if there isn't, how is it inconceivable that teams may be smart enough to see this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) But you'd agree that no QB's should have been taken in 2007, right? No I do not agree with this at all. QB is the most important position on the team, and there is virtually no reason that one shouldn't be taken high in the first round. Just because in retrospect you end up missing on the guy, does not mean you shouldn't draft one. (Lesson #1 for Buddy's next GM job) PS - It's also been proven over and over - many NFL front offices aren't populated by smart guys. Edited January 16, 2013 by GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) http://blogs.buffalo...-to-bills-at-8/ Has Manti Te'o going to Bills at #8. Discuss. Eh, I wanted to like Te'o but all the games I saw he looked OK, I could live with him at 8 but If I had my choice I'm going CB to get this Pettine defense blitzing. How about Ogletree or J. Jones? I think I'd rather have either one of them at LB than Te'o at this point. they will be gone, maybe ogletree, which would be great Look at my sig well you got one right. Edited January 16, 2013 by Buffalo Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef4131 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Regarding Mel Kiper he also stated that Jamarcus Russell would be the next John Elway.................... For what its worth if say enough things you will find you are correct and incorrect especially when it comes to the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 OK - so let's talk about that one game though - what DOES it mean, and why did he look so bad? There were multiple plays where he got to the ball-carrier unblocked and still couldn't make the tacklle, and even more plays where he wasn't just betaen by the blocker but looked completely helpless trying to disengage. Obviously he can't play like that in the NFL and be even remotely a good idea at #8 overall. It seems to me he is either horribly overrated based on prior weak competition AND/OR he was badly unprepared after the layoff to play in the most important game of his life. Which of those two possibilities makes him a good pick as a MLB at #8??? Geno Smith has been in the 20's on their big board for a while now. And the Senior Bowl. Von Miller really solidified/improved his standing in that game - had to play out of position as a 4-3 DE and he still was terific. ND played 5 teams rated in the pre-season top 20. I wouldn't exactly call that weak competition. Te'o did not look good against Alabama as did most of his ND team mates. There were numerous reasons for this, not the least of which was the blatant holding that was going on by Alabama the entire game, particularly on those long runs. Hard to be at your best when you are getting manhandled on every play. I suggest you look at film of all of his games before dismissing him based on one game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Kiper's an idiot. Have a hard time believing that no QB will be taken in top 10, or even as he says in the first round. Last time that happened was 1996 with no QBs in first round and 2000 with no QB in top 10. Very unlikely. agreed 96 - the year of the WR (keyshawn #1, marvin, moulds, etc.) - you put that exact class in todays NFL and a QB gets drafted first round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Hence the possible "urgency" of the new staff to get who we believe is "their guy" early. In the second round, QB-needy teams drafting in front of us include: Jaguars Chiefs Browns (maybe) Cardinals Jets Titans Jets and titans draft after us. http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1000000116754/article/2013-nfl-draft-order-kansas-city-chiefs-own-no-1-pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Funny, a few weeks ago this board would have exploded with joy seeing a list that had Buffalo taking T'eo at #8, now everyone once to pass because of a Bowl game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Adams Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) Jets and titans draft after us. http://www.nfl.com/d...s-own-no-1-pick No, they don't. I was talking about the second round. Please read my posts in full if you must reply. BA Edited January 16, 2013 by Bud Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Jets and titans draft after us. http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1000000116754/article/2013-nfl-draft-order-kansas-city-chiefs-own-no-1-pick Not in round 2. Teams with the same records rotate picks each round. http://walterfootball.com/draft2013_2.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) <------- says it all BTW is there a typo in there ? It says bills really need help at ILB where kelvin Sheppard "is a good player". Shouldn't it say " ... is not ... " Edited January 16, 2013 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Adams Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Funny, a few weeks ago this board would have exploded with joy seeing a list that had Buffalo taking T'eo at #8, now everyone once to pass because of a Bowl game? He was tested against elite talent, akin to what he will see in the NFL. He bombed. Sounds about right to me. BA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 No, they don't. I was talking about the second round. Please read my posts in full if you must reply. BA my error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 My suspicion is there will be 2 QBs, maybe 3 before the Bills draft at 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 For what its worth here was his top 10 from his first mock last year: 1. Andrew Luck 2. Justin Blackmon 3. Matt Kalil 4. Robert Griffin III 5. Trent Richardson 6. Morris Claiborne 7. Quinton Coples 8. Dre Kirkpatrick 9. Riley Reiff 10. Courtney Upshaw So, there's that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Adams Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 My suspicion is there will be 2 QBs, maybe 3 before the Bills draft at 8. I agree. One team will take Smith. Another will reach for Barkley. BA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Mel is a moron! He gets the same pick correct as you and I...the FIRST Pick! I really don't know why this guys is ever relevant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Right. The NFL is full of tiny players. The Alabama game wasn't just a red flag. It was massive fireworks display of red. T'eo wasn't just outplayed, he looked like he didn't even belong on the field. PTR Getting a guy that can actually impact an NFL game would be a change of pace from adding another name to the scroll of busts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 For what its worth here was his top 10 from his first mock last year: 1. Andrew Luck 2. Justin Blackmon 3. Matt Kalil 4. Robert Griffin III 5. Trent Richardson 6. Morris Claiborne 7. Quinton Coples 8. Dre Kirkpatrick 9. Riley Reiff 10. Courtney Upshaw So, there's that... That actually is pretty good for a January pre-combine mock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergs2323 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Ah hem... Manti Te’o’s Dead Girlfriend, The Most Heartbreaking And Inspirational Story Of The College Football Season, Is A Hoax http://deadspin.com/5976517/manti-teos-dead-girlfriend-is-a-hoax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Wow, I think he just fell off the board. Right into the free agent pond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Adams Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) Ah hem... Manti Te’o’s Dead Girlfriend, The Most Heartbreaking And Inspirational Story Of The College Football Season, Is A Hoax http://deadspin.com/...riend-is-a-hoax Holy hell... Edit: Initial reaction is shock, but I'm going to try to reserve judgment until this is investigated further. Can't tell you how many times I've heard the story. Someone who posted under that article wrote, "Nosuch Dame" -- which is morbidly clever, if this turns out to be true. BA Edited January 16, 2013 by Bud Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Not. Going. To. Happen. ARRRRRGGGGGHHH. There is no such thing as a "stretch" for a QB in the first round if your decision makers believe you have found a guy to lead your team for the next ten years. And Nassib is WAY too obvious. This times ten bazillion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 take teo in the 1st and landry jones in the second please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Where Teo will go will depends on his combine, Proday and who he tests more like Rey Maualuga or Luke Kuechly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickedface Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 i found that senior bowl and combine results tend to speak higher of draft order than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLBighits Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 take teo in the 1st and landry jones in the second please take teo in the 1st and landry jones in the second please You want are Franchise to be losers the next 5 years ! Jones has slow feet slow release and will struggle at the speed of the NFL level and teo maybe with the third pick ! NOT !!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missthe kgun Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 No thanks, not after that bowl game. Maybe in the 5th round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaz Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 The big difference is Von Miller never had a game where he was so thoroughly outplayed that he didn't look like he belonged on the same field with his opponent. I admit I did not see much of Te'o before the BCS championship. I've also heard the reasons like bad day, long layoff, and Alabama players are big and mean. Fine. But to see a guy who was that highly touted be rendered utterly useless is shocking and frightening. You can't just dust that off and say "ha ha, we all have bad days." Te'o looked small, slow, and showed terrible technique tacking...if you want to call getting flicked off like a booger an attempt at tackling. Sorry. If Te'o is that lost against Alabama, then what's gonna happen in the NFL? PTR So you're raising a red flag and basically calling Teo a dog (read: Aaron Maybin) based off of one game? And you freely admit you haven't really paid attention to his collegiate performance otherwise? Do I have that about right? Brilliant! On the other hand, how many of Von Miller's college games did you watch? Must've been all of 'em for you to proclaim that he "never" had a game where he was overmatched or had a bad day. You're laying some pretty hefty whoppers on us. Teo plays with a fire that Aaron Maybin couldn't duplicate if he drank a gallon of gasoline and swallowed a match. Maybin basically played one year at PSU and was given the "future star" tag by a bunch of geniuses who probably never picked up a football. Teo, meanwhile, is a four-year standout who just completed a senior year in which he was a Heisman finalist. Yeah, your comparison totally makes sense! C'mon, the dude -- and the entire team, by the way -- has one stink-ola game and suddenly he's trash. Well, I guess Thurman Thomas' career was complete garbage for his performances in three Super Bowls, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 So you're raising a red flag and basically calling Teo a dog (read: Aaron Maybin) based off of one game? And you freely admit you haven't really paid attention to his collegiate performance otherwise? Do I have that about right? Brilliant! On the other hand, how many of Von Miller's college games did you watch? Must've been all of 'em for you to proclaim that he "never" had a game where he was overmatched or had a bad day. You're laying some pretty hefty whoppers on us. Teo plays with a fire that Aaron Maybin couldn't duplicate if he drank a gallon of gasoline and swallowed a match. Maybin basically played one year at PSU and was given the "future star" tag by a bunch of geniuses who probably never picked up a football. Teo, meanwhile, is a four-year standout who just completed a senior year in which he was a Heisman finalist. Yeah, your comparison totally makes sense! C'mon, the dude -- and the entire team, by the way -- has one stink-ola game and suddenly he's trash. Well, I guess Thurman Thomas' career was complete garbage for his performances in three Super Bowls, right? Check those current events......Teo is a freakin weirdo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoutbox Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Pretty good top 10 list for mid-January. Just replace Teo and Warmack with the 2 QB's, Smith and Wilson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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