thewildrabbit Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Good to know Buddy Nix and Chan Gailey finally want to draft a QB after 3 years of a backup elevated to starter According to Todd McShay there is no elite franchise QB in the upcoming draft http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotread-2013-nfl-draft/nfl-hot-read-10-things-know-2013-draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Who's Todd McShay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 The only logical thing is to forfeit all of out pucks now since McShay is always right about the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Good to know Buddy Nix and Chan Gailey finally want to draft a QB after 3 years of a backup elevated to starter According to Todd McShay there is no elite franchise QB in the upcoming draft http://espn.go.com/n...know-2013-draft no elite QBs this year? what a shock. I'm stunned. we all know last year was the year. Indy got incredibly lucky as they were not nearly as bad as their record indicated. If we put a high school QB in there we can go 1 -15 as well.. wait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 which is why i think smith or barkley will be there when the bills pick.... I think Barkley will only be successful in a West Coast offense where you can limit the amount of down-the-field throws, and his vertical accuracy isn't that good. With Smith, I think he's still developing as a quarterback. He's a smart kid, he works unbelievably hard and he has all the intangibles you're looking for, but a little bit like Christian Ponder, he didn't always transfer that information on the field. Ponder would often lock in on his initial read, and I think there's a lot of the same questions about Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Just an fyi. NFL coaches & scouts have zero respect for McShay... that was brought to light and actually publicized a couple of years ago before the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Here's what I don't get - Christian Ponder picked 13th overall - EJ Manuel same school, better measureables, similar but superior statistics and he's ranked somewhere between a 2nd and 4th round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Nassib on third or 4th round may be our move.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWings Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Good to know Buddy Nix and Chan Gailey finally want to draft a QB after 3 years of a backup elevated to starter According to Todd McShay there is no elite franchise QB in the upcoming draft http://espn.go.com/n...know-2013-draft Yeah...because someone who works for E$PN says so, then it's true. This doesn't mean that the available QBs won't be good. Nassib on third or 4th round may be our move.... I admit I haven't seen much of Nassib this year, but it didn't seem like he was quite there a year ago and needed a lot of work. Has he improved that much where he's worth a 4th round pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 (edited) A) he's not the definitive word on anything (no one is 100% accurate forecasting talent), B) he said he hasn't reviewed all the tape and guys can emerge before the draft. Give it a rest man, haven't even had the bowl games or combine yet Edited November 29, 2012 by Joe_the_6_pack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Yeah...because someone who works for E$PN says so, then it's true. This doesn't mean that the available QBs won't be good. I admit I haven't seen much of Nassib this year, but it didn't seem like he was quite there a year ago and needed a lot of work. Has he improved that much where he's worth a 4th round pick? For the BIlls? Hmmm....4th round: Searcy, Hairston, Easley, Shawn Nelson, Reggie Corner, Derek Fine, Dwayne Wright, Ko Simpson, Duke Preston..... Yeah, pretty much anything is good enough for the 4th round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playman Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 even if true, there are still about 5 better than what we have now -.- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Here's what I don't get - Christian Ponder picked 13th overall - EJ Manuel same school, better measureables, similar but superior statistics and he's ranked somewhere between a 2nd and 4th round pick. That's because it's November. By March and April, we witness an inexplicable phenomena where GMs start falling over each other for QBs and they shoot up the boards. As for the McShay article, I think he meant there are no elite prospects. Which is true. There are no RGIIIs or Lucks. This doesn't mean that 2-3 of the QBs in this class will not turn out to be elite QBs. Nobody knows this - not even McShay. Flacco, Rodgers, Dalton, Wilson, & Brees (or Kapernick, but its too early to judge him) were never considered elite prospects, but they're not doing too bad in this league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Much like the Buffalo Barbarian, listen to McShay and do the opposite of what he thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Good to know Buddy Nix and Chan Gailey finally want to draft a QB after 3 years of a backup elevated to starter According to Todd McShay there is no elite franchise QB in the upcoming draft http://espn.go.com/n...know-2013-draft I'm officially sold, draft a QB, any QB...do the 180-degree opposite of whatever McShay says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Who's Todd McShay? I'll take "guy that hyped Aaron Maybin" for $600, Alex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 (edited) Indy got incredibly lucky as they were not nearly as bad as their record indicated. I still contend there was no luck (lower case 'l') involved. Edited November 29, 2012 by CodeMonkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 McShay like the Aaron Maybin pick! That said, this year's class of college QB's looks to be pretty underwhelming. Still, I have to believe there's QB out there that can help the Bills. Isn't there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLS_ROC Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 ...Indy got incredibly lucky as they were not nearly as bad as their record indicated... Lucky had nothing to do with Indy getting the top pick. It was a decree from on high that they would lose as many games as they needed to to guarantee the top pick. (Pretty smart business decision, but horrible sportsmanship) Manning being out was their excuse, but Indy without manning was still way better than many teams that drafted after them in 2012. It may be unscrupulous what they did, but I would find a way to cope if Buffalo had decided to tank last year to get the best QB in years without having to lose draft picks to get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Here's what I don't get - Christian Ponder picked 13th overall - EJ Manuel same school, better measureables, similar but superior statistics and he's ranked somewhere between a 2nd and 4th round pick. Thats where guys like McShay predicted Ponder would go too. McShay might as well be blind considering how good he is at projecting QB. This is the guy that had Andre Woodson as the #1 overall pick a few years back. He went in the 6th round and was out of the league two years later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Todd McShay and his moron friend Kiper are the worst prognosticators of NFL talent EVER! How they continue to be "GURUS" of anything football is beyond me. They get the first two picks right and that's about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Thats where guys like McShay predicted Ponder would go too. McShay might as well be blind considering how good he is at projecting QB. This is the guy that had Andre Woodson as the #1 overall pick a few years back. He went in the 6th round and was out of the league two years later. lol, love the andre woodson tidbit.... mchsay is a diaper eater, his opinion is worthless....i like Walter Football's opinion (and hes usually much more accuarte) more than Mcshays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Good to know Buddy Nix and Chan Gailey finally want to draft a QB after 3 years of a backup elevated to starter According to Todd McShay there is no elite franchise QB in the upcoming draft http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotread-2013-nfl-draft/nfl-hot-read-10-things-know-2013-draft I thought this was pretty common knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 That's because it's November. By March and April, we witness an inexplicable phenomena where GMs start falling over each other for QBs and they shoot up the boards. As for the McShay article, I think he meant there are no elite prospects. Which is true. There are no RGIIIs or Lucks. This doesn't mean that 2-3 of the QBs in this class will not turn out to be elite QBs. Nobody knows this - not even McShay. Flacco, Rodgers, Dalton, Wilson, & Brees (or Kapernick, but its too early to judge him) were never considered elite prospects, but they're not doing too bad in this league. Exactly. Elite "can't miss" prospects at QB are actually pretty rare. Guys like Cam Newton, Sam Bradford and Matthew Stafford weren't considered "elite" either, but they still went #1 overall. This draft class reminds me a lot of the 2011 group. If anyone recalls, once Luck decided to stay in school another year, there was a huge void at the quarterback position. None of the guys left on the board were considered top prospects. Regardless, Newton still went #1 overall. Locker, Gabbert and Ponder went early in the first round. Dalton and Kaepernick went early in the second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Exactly. Elite "can't miss" prospects at QB are actually pretty rare. Guys like Cam Newton, Sam Bradford and Matthew Stafford weren't considered "elite" either, but they still went #1 overall. This draft class reminds me a lot of the 2011 group. If anyone recalls, once Luck decided to stay in school another year, there was a huge void at the quarterback position. None of the guys left on the board were considered top prospects. Regardless, Newton still went #1 overall. Locker, Gabbert and Ponder went early in the first round. Dalton and Kaepernick went early in the second. Also, isn't pretty much every QB not drafted in the top 5 not an "elite" prospect? Some of the best QBs in history weren't close to be elite or good prospects and ended up being HOFers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Mike Glennon at NC State is somebody I'd take a flyer on...if he's coming out this year. Big time arm, good size, smart. Not very mobile, but you can't have everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 If any of these analyst really knew what they heck they were talking about, they'd be a GM, Head Scout, or something along those lines, not a reporter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 If a guy with a rocket arm leadership ability and wheels and great field awareness and size is there after round 1 I'll be happy. San fran found one that the whole league missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 If anyone watched WV this season you know there is no way Smith is ready to be an NFL QB. The system he plays in is terrible and has way too many bad habits to warrant drafting high. Barkely is a stud that played behind a patchwork OL at best this year. He forced alot of throws and made some bad decisions, that being said he outplayed Luck last year for the majority of the season and his deciding to come back hurt his stock. If he falls to us I will be chomping at the bit to get him. His stock will soar as the offseason progresses. Either Teo or Barkley, follow it up with either USC WR and Im a happy man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Mike Glennon at NC State is somebody I'd take a flyer on...if he's coming out this year. Big time arm, good size, smart. Not very mobile, but you can't have everything. i think he might be one of the guys that gets sucked into the "wait, who are the top qbs, we have to pick a qb in the first" vacuum - ala ponder. maybe not, but it seems his name has floated into a few more national media references lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van_phelaN1 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 (edited) Well, I don't listen to any of those supposed draft guru types. I will admit that I haven't seen anyone that absolutely jumps out as a can't miss pick but I am just some goof with a keyboard and an opinion. Kind of like McShay! Edited November 29, 2012 by Van_phelaN1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjmac Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Here's what I don't get - Christian Ponder picked 13th overall - EJ Manuel same school, better measureables, similar but superior statistics and he's ranked somewhere between a 2nd and 4th round pick. But Ponder was picked in a QB panic since there was no free agency before that draft. Normally. he would have been what, maybe a 2nd-rounder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 If anyone watched WV this season you know there is no way Smith is ready to be an NFL QB. The system he plays in is terrible and has way too many bad habits to warrant drafting high. Barkely is a stud that played behind a patchwork OL at best this year. He forced alot of throws and made some bad decisions, that being said he outplayed Luck last year for the majority of the season and his deciding to come back hurt his stock. If he falls to us I will be chomping at the bit to get him. His stock will soar as the offseason progresses. Either Teo or Barkley, follow it up with either USC WR and Im a happy man. and what say you to the crowd of Barkley haters who claim he has no downfield arm strength - ala Fitz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjmac Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 If anyone watched WV this season you know there is no way Smith is ready to be an NFL QB. The system he plays in is terrible and has way too many bad habits to warrant drafting high. Barkely is a stud that played behind a patchwork OL at best this year. He forced alot of throws and made some bad decisions, that being said he outplayed Luck last year for the majority of the season and his deciding to come back hurt his stock. If he falls to us I will be chomping at the bit to get him. His stock will soar as the offseason progresses. Either Teo or Barkley, follow it up with either USC WR and Im a happy man. Can Barkley play in winter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Here's what I don't get - Christian Ponder picked 13th overall - EJ Manuel same school, better measureables, similar but superior statistics and he's ranked somewhere between a 2nd and 4th round pick. If I recall correctly, general consensus among us expert fans and TV talking heads was that Minnesota reached pretty high for Ponder. They needed a QB, as we do, and they took best QB available with their first pick. He's shown some flashes, but I'm guessing in 1.5 seasons or less, the Ponder experiment will be over and Minnesota will once again be in QB or bust draft mode. Thats the great thing about reaching for a QB. You get to do it again and again and again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inkman Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 If anyone watched WV this season you know there is no way Smith is ready to be an NFL QB. The system he plays in is terrible and has way too many bad habits to warrant drafting high. Barkely is a stud that played behind a patchwork OL at best this year. He forced alot of throws and made some bad decisions, that being said he outplayed Luck last year for the majority of the season and his deciding to come back hurt his stock. If he falls to us I will be chomping at the bit to get him. His stock will soar as the offseason progresses. Either Teo or Barkley, follow it up with either USC WR and Im a happy man. Any thoughts on the long storied lists of USC QB failures in the NFL. Barkley doesn't look much different. You could argue he's got the best supporting cast of all of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 I still contend there was no luck (lower case 'l') involved. Agreed 100% It's called tanking a season. Much like the Eagles have decided to do. The Bills never do this, which is why they end up picking 10th or 1tth every year. Not saying they should, but other teams have become hip to this notion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billshank Redemption Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Mcshay also had Javon Snead as a top 5 pick and was actually the made reason he declared early and then Snead went undrafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonramz Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Yeah there is not RGIII or Luck this year... but QB's are a fickle bunch... you never know exactly what you are going to get. BTW I love love Nassib in the middle rounds. Syracuse runs a pro style offense and he has a legit arm. Honestly just look at the throws he makes and compare them to someone like Barkley. If he played at USC he'd be just as good if not better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 McShay, no elite QB 2013 draft: There was also no Tom Brady in the 2000 NFL draft. Oh wait, there was but no one realized it. QB's are one of those positions you just never know about. I agree, No LUCK or RG3 on paper but some good one's are going to be found in this draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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