The Wang From Sang Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 It doesn't appear the Bills will use him this year. I thought this year was to evaluate talent? How can the Bills draft a QB #1 if Brian Brohm is never tested in a real game? At some point we neeed to have a look.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 You want to lose this team? Bench Fitz. Even though they lost every game they are playing hard to win and Fitz's leadership is a big reason. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagon Circler Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Agree with PTR but would give Brohm a start in the last 2-3 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 The Bills haven't seen this level of QB play since Bledsoe's 2002 year, and someone actually requests wanting to see what Brian Brohm can do. I can't even come up with a term that would do justice to this level of stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Brohm only makes 470,000 so its okay that he's just the backup. At the end of the year nobody will want him because he will have proven nothing. We draft Andrew Luck to ride the pine behind fitzy for 1-2 years and we have to resign Brohm for peanuts as the insurance 3rd stringer for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UlyssesNorris Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Brian Brohm has no future here. The bills as a whole especially The o-line respect fitz and will go to war with him.Putting in brohm at any point other than late in a blowout would be an insult to the entire team chan wont do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Agree with PTR but would give Brohm a start in the last 2-3 games. Ehhh, maybe. But if there is a chance to beat an AFC East rival would you want to set the team back with a new QB just to see what happens with Brohm? I could almost guarantee the result would be bad. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 (edited) The Bills haven't seen this level of QB play since Bledsoe's 2002 year, and someone actually requests wanting to see what Brian Brohm can do. I can't even come up with a term that would do justice to this level of stupidity. Excpet the fact for as much as Fitz has done to keep us competitive for the most part of the last 4 games, he has still commited enough terrible mistakes that have had a heavy hand in our losing all 4 games. This statement you just said is so telling about how bad our QB situation has been. Just because its the best we have had since Bledsoe does NOT in any way mean its good enough and we should settle on it. Thats how bad its been, that everyone is in love in Fitz because he hasnt sucked nearly as much as Trent and JP and they choose to ignore how costly his mistakes are, how unbelivievable inaccurate he is at times, how even a lot of his completed passes are way off the mark (causing WR's to break off routes, dive for balls, make touch catches, drop to the ground to catch balls almost in the dirt, etc.) This guy plays with a ton of heart and I respect how he plays out there and I am glad he is on our team. But this guy is a great backup, but too inaccurate and inconsistent to really be our long term answer. So if he isnt the long term answer, then at some point (given this season is a lost season) we need to evaluate Brohm at some point to see if he can be a starter or a backup on this team going into next year. Edited November 8, 2010 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 At this point, don't do anything. Fitz is 'the heart of the team' - albeit an 0-8 team - that first win has been tantalizingly close for weeks, and Fitz should be in there when it finally comes. As for B2 - plenty of football to play this season. You never ever know what's going to happen with (God-forbid) injuries, or anything else - he'll get a chance to show his stuff before season's end. If he's a huge pleasant surprise, he's an RFA after the season and not likely to get any offers we can't match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Excpet the fact for as much as Fitz has done to keep us competitive for the most part of the last 4 games, he has still commited enough terrible mistakes that have had a heavy hand in our losing all 4 games. This statement you just said is so telling about how bad our QB situation has been. Just because its the best we have had since Bledsoe does NOT in any way mean its good enough and we should settle on it. Thats how bad its been, that everyone is in love in Fitz because he hasnt sucked nearly as much as Trent and JP and they choose to ignore how costly his mistakes are, how unbelivievable inaccurate he is at times, how even a lot of his completed passes are way off the mark (causing WR's to break off routes, dive for balls, make touch catches, drop to the ground to catch balls almost in the dirt, etc.) This guy plays with a ton of heart and I respect how he plays out there and I am glad he is on our team. But this guy is a great backup, but too inaccurate and inconsistent to really be our long term answer. So if he isnt the long term answer, then at some point (given this season is a lost season) we need to evaluate Brohm at some point to see if he can be a starter or a backup on this team going into next year. So how is throwing Brohm in cold going to be any better? Seriously? PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGimp Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 trade for a 3rd round pick to New England? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Cthulhu Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Maybe the coaches, who see the kid in practice almost every day, already know brohm can't cut it so why bench a competent guy just to watch brohm get lit up? Some of you are under the impression that just because You haven't seen enough to form an opinion of brohm it must be so for eveyone else as well, including the bills coaches and staff. It ain't so. They know a lot more than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 The coaches see BB Monday - Saturday. I'm sure they don;t have to put him on the field to know he sucks. See Maybin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Excpet the fact for as much as Fitz has done to keep us competitive for the most part of the last 4 games, he has still commited enough terrible mistakes that have had a heavy hand in our losing all 4 games. This statement you just said is so telling about how bad our QB situation has been. Just because its the best we have had since Bledsoe does NOT in any way mean its good enough and we should settle on it. Thats how bad its been, that everyone is in love in Fitz because he hasnt sucked nearly as much as Trent and JP and they choose to ignore how costly his mistakes are, how unbelivievable inaccurate he is at times, how even a lot of his completed passes are way off the mark (causing WR's to break off routes, dive for balls, make touch catches, drop to the ground to catch balls almost in the dirt, etc.) This guy plays with a ton of heart and I respect how he plays out there and I am glad he is on our team. But this guy is a great backup, but too inaccurate and inconsistent to really be our long term answer. So if he isnt the long term answer, then at some point (given this season is a lost season) we need to evaluate Brohm at some point to see if he can be a starter or a backup on this team going into next year. He is 7th in the league in TDs. He is 10th in yards per game. He has fewer ints than most other QBs. He completes 60% of his passes. Yet you repeat the tired phrase "he is a great backup". What does that make the rest of the League startersthat he is outplaying? Are they all 3rd stringers, but just don't know it yet? Brohm is really decent at holding the clipboard. Be happy about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 He is 7th in the league in TDs. He is 10th in yards per game. He has fewer ints than most other QBs. He completes 60% of his passes. Yet you repeat the tired phrase "he is a great backup". What does that make the rest of the League startersthat he is outplaying? Are they all 3rd stringers, but just don't know it yet? Brohm is really decent at holding the clipboard. Be happy about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwy138 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 You want to lose this team? Bench Fitz. Even though they lost every game they are playing hard to win and Fitz's leadership is a big reason. PTR Agreed I don't think anyone who suggests putting in brohm has ever played football. You don't bench the guy everyone knows should be the quarterback or people quit on you, give it up the guy is an unknown for a reason. Also when a qbs asked to throw the ball way more than handoff picks happen, overthrows happen, the dudes better than a backup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geno Smith's Arm Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 It doesn't appear the Bills will use him this year. I thought this year was to evaluate talent? How can the Bills draft a QB #1 if Brian Brohm is never tested in a real game? At some point we neeed to have a look.... Why? The team looks at the guy every day. Maybe there is a reason he has never been tested in a "real game"? Maybe it's the same reason he was on the Packers practice squad. Maybe the coaches have been watching him,and have decided he is just a backup QB? It would be very easy for the Bills to draft a QB with their first pick without ever seeing Brian Brohm in the locker room. What has Brohm done that you have been so impressed with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 (edited) Unless Brohm can play online or rush the QB, leave him on the bench. I have seen nothing from this kid that tells me we should throw this kid to the wolves "just to see what happens." Edited November 8, 2010 by DanInUticaTampa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirginiaMike Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 The coaches see BB Monday - Saturday. I'm sure they don;t have to put him on the field to know he sucks. See Maybin You're right. If he looked like the future in practice we would have seen him already. He obviously doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksilver Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 trade for a 3rd round pick to New England? I wouldn't trade him to NE. Plus we could get at least a 2nd round pick since he was once considered a top ten pick. Maybe The Redskins, Browns or Carolina. The all need QB help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSpeed Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 I know that the QB is not the only factor in wins and loses, but for 3 weeks running we had the game on the line and Fitz came up empty. He plays great for 50 mins a game but he looks like a totally different QB when the pressure is really on. He doesn't look calm at all. I've been impressed with Fitz's play, but not enough to anoint him our starter for next year. He is at the point where he needs to be able to "will" this team to win. He has 8 games to get to that level. I say let him play it out and see for sure if he can do it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaPolian8693 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 What the heck are you talking about OP? What do we do with Brohm?! Who cares, he's some trash heap third stringer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 The only time i'm interested in seeing Brohm is if Fitz gets injured and can't play. That's it. The only reason this team has been competitive lately is Fitz making some great plays. HAs he made the big play in the final minute to win? nope. But i really don't believe this team is even close without him. You want to see Stevie, Roscoe and Lee's production slide into oblivion, just put Brohm in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 It doesn't appear the Bills will use him this year. I thought this year was to evaluate talent? How can the Bills draft a QB #1 if Brian Brohm is never tested in a real game? At some point we neeed to have a look.... Hey Jeff Brohm: Please give it a rest already. Your brother can't even hold your jock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 I wouldn't trade him to NE. Plus we could get at least a 2nd round pick since he was once considered a top ten pick. Maybe The Redskins, Browns or Carolina. The all need QB help. If you can find a team insane enough to trade a #2 for this career 3rd string/practice squad QB--do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm0404 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Yet you repeat the tired phrase "he is a great backup". What does that make the rest of the League startersthat he is outplaying? Are they all 3rd stringers, but just don't know it yet? He is back down into the bottom half of the league in QB rating and falling by the week. He is undergoing a statistical correction that'll get his season stats right about in line with his underwhelming career numbers. Everyone got all hot and bothered when he was the #2 rated QB in the NFL, but the sensible among us noted that it would change, and boy has it changed quickly. Evaluate him by his numbers (which will be bottom third when all is said and done like always), his wins and losses (which, in case ya'll haven't noticed, Spritzy has won zero games), or his performance in key game situations (turnover machine). But, he absolutely should start every game until his replacement is ready to step in and perform at a high level. Pining for Brohm is about the dumbest thing imaginable. Do I fear that the coaching staff will "lose the team"? Heck no, they literally can not be worse. But still, Fitzpatrick is the way to go as we ride out this season in pursuit of the once-or-twice-a-franchise #1 overall pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 He is back down into the bottom half of the league in QB rating and falling by the week. He is undergoing a statistical correction that'll get his season stats right about in line with his underwhelming career numbers. Everyone got all hot and bothered when he was the #2 rated QB in the NFL, but the sensible among us noted that it would change, and boy has it changed quickly. Evaluate him by his numbers (which will be bottom third when all is said and done like always), his wins and losses (which, in case ya'll haven't noticed, Spritzy has won zero games), or his performance in key game situations (turnover machine). But, he absolutely should start every game until his replacement is ready to step in and perform at a high level. Pining for Brohm is about the dumbest thing imaginable. Do I fear that the coaching staff will "lose the team"? Heck no, they literally can not be worse. But still, Fitzpatrick is the way to go as we ride out this season in pursuit of the once-or-twice-a-franchise #1 overall pick. Opposing defenses are figuring out Chan's offense. He relies too heavily on the pass and abandons the run game all too quickly. Making Fitz much easier to defend. One-sided offenses are rarely, if ever, successful in the NFL and throwing 51 times in a game is a one-sided offense. Chan needs to stop giving up on the run the first time we don't gain 10 yards on consecutive plays. It's mind-numbing how we can never field a competent offense and defense during the same game and how we can never seem to find any sort of consistent balance between run and pass on offense. It's been this way for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 It's mind-numbing how we can never field a competent offense and defense during the same game and how we can never seem to find any sort of consistent balance between run and pass on offense. It's been this way for years. Actually, for once I thought the Offense and Defense played at about the same level yesterday. Both played just well enough to win, imo. but amazingly, the Bills (bad) luck continued and they were torpedoed by the rarest of things. A blocked extra point....first one in Lindell's career. That game woulda' been 21-21 late if not for that feakish event. So i guess this week it was the special teams that failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 (edited) Agree with PTR but would give Brohm a start in the last 2-3 games. With all do respect, if Fitz has an above 85 QB rating, 22 or so TDs and 16 or less Int. I wouldn't give Brohm a look at s***. He can duke it out with Levi next year for 3rd string. Edited November 8, 2010 by dollars 2 donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 He is back down into the bottom half of the league in QB rating and falling by the week. He is undergoing a statistical correction that'll get his season stats right about in line with his underwhelming career numbers. Fitz is #7 in TDs, #10 in passing yards per game. A real bum! Don't you wish we had real franchise QB's like Henne and Sanchez...who both rank in the bottom 20% in the NFL? PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Defense Wins Championships Fitz is capable enough of a QB. Dont see any reason to play Brohm at this point in time, unless come week 13 or so we want to get into major evaluation mode of everyone on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Once in a while, there's a QB who migrates from team to team as a backup, then gets his shot at starting in the pros and becomes a star. Rich Gannon, say. Kurt Warner. Even Doug Flutie. For each of those guys, there are 10 guys who get cut, migrate from team to team as a backup, and get a shot starting in the pros only to prove everyone right who kept him on the bench. And dozens more who never get a chance to start in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 It doesn't appear the Bills will use him this year. I thought this year was to evaluate talent? How can the Bills draft a QB #1 if Brian Brohm is never tested in a real game? At some point we neeed to have a look.... No they don't. He is not the QB of the future and once the Bills draft one and Fitz in number two he probably won't even be on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koufax Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 He is 7th in the league in TDs. He is 10th in yards per game. He has fewer ints than most other QBs. He completes 60% of his passes. Yet you repeat the tired phrase "he is a great backup". What does that make the rest of the League startersthat he is outplaying? Are they all 3rd stringers, but just don't know it yet? Brohm is really decent at holding the clipboard. Be happy about that. +1 Yep. I'm hoping for Luck and don't see Fitz as our savior, but right now I'm enjoying him taking snaps, leading this team, taking shots down the field, and trying to make his career into Kurt Warner lite. He is mobile, smart, and can make a lot of throws. He still has a chance to be our QB of the future, even though I wouldn't put money on it. Brohm moved from #3 to #2 on the depth chart after week 2. That is an important jump in practice and in the course of a season. No need to charity him any playing time while Fitz is healthy and playing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Opposing defenses are figuring out Chan's offense. He relies too heavily on the pass and abandons the run game all too quickly. Making Fitz much easier to defend. One-sided offenses are rarely, if ever, successful in the NFL and throwing 51 times in a game is a one-sided offense. Chan needs to stop giving up on the run the first time we don't gain 10 yards on consecutive plays. It's mind-numbing how we can never field a competent offense and defense during the same game and how we can never seem to find any sort of consistent balance between run and pass on offense. It's been this way for years. For everything you just said the Bills could have won that game and the last three. They do need to run more. But Fitz has a knack for making great plays, but then killing the team with a crucial mistake at the worst time. Yesterday they could not run the rock though. They had to throw. Oline has to run block infinitely better than they did yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 He is back down into the bottom half of the league in QB rating and falling by the week. He is undergoing a statistical correction that'll get his season stats right about in line with his underwhelming career numbers. Everyone got all hot and bothered when he was the #2 rated QB in the NFL, but the sensible among us noted that it would change, and boy has it changed quickly. Evaluate him by his numbers (which will be bottom third when all is said and done like always), his wins and losses (which, in case ya'll haven't noticed, Spritzy has won zero games), or his performance in key game situations (turnover machine). But, he absolutely should start every game until his replacement is ready to step in and perform at a high level. Pining for Brohm is about the dumbest thing imaginable. Do I fear that the coaching staff will "lose the team"? Heck no, they literally can not be worse. But still, Fitzpatrick is the way to go as we ride out this season in pursuit of the once-or-twice-a-franchise #1 overall pick. Statistical correction? You pick one stat and ignore the rest as you strain to make your point. I especially like your "evaluate his numbers later, when i think they are going to go down which will make me right" nonsense. Take a look at the records of some of the top 10 QBs. Anyway, sure Fitz makes some mistakes. But he is hamstrung by a poor OC/HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 Agree with PTR but would give Brohm a start in the last 2-3 games. Referring back to PTR and for reasons he stated, it won't happen unless Fitz gets hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 It doesn't appear the Bills will use him this year. I thought this year was to evaluate talent? How can the Bills draft a QB #1 if Brian Brohm is never tested in a real game? At some point we neeed to have a look.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonechiller Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 The Bills haven't seen this level of QB play since Bledsoe's 2002 year, and someone actually requests wanting to see what Brian Brohm can do. I can't even come up with a term that would do justice to this level of stupidity. Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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