Thoughts on the Shakir PI call

[The Jokeman]

The PI was an easy flag, he literally was hugged before the DB turned around and played the ball. Yet not sure about Shakir caught the ball unless count when he pulled ball from defender as both were hitting the ground. Either way the PI was correct and ultimately that's all that matters. 

[billsfan89]

9 minutes ago, stlbills13 said:

The PI call was about as obvious as it gets. I don't love the rule but it's easy. Ball slightly underthrown, defender doesn't turn his head soon enough. Textbook. The actual catch...It doesn't really matter but actually good to see them follow the rule on that too

 

One of those bad rules not a bad call type thing. I don’t like that rule as it bails out a bad throw but that’s pretty much how the rule is called universally. 
 

I missed some of the game but I think it was poorly called with bad calls going both ways. I would say largely that this game was not meaningfully decided by officiating.

[billieve420]

1 hour ago, Lost said:

 

This part I disagree with.   Shakir had the ball in his arms for a second but it almost looks as if it just slipped out into the defender's hands.   Never saw him attempt to rip it out.   

 

Another angle shows DB ripping ball away from Shakir while on the ground.

 

[GASabresIUFan]

It was PI and therefore it didn’t matter if Shakir caught the ball or didn’t or if it was an interception or not.  It would be first down Bills at the spot of the foul.  Only Shakir’s and Josh’s stats benefit from catch vs no catch.

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, billieve420 said:

 

Another angle shows DB ripping ball away from Shakir while on the ground.

 

Yup, by rule that is a catch for shakir. 

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Lost said:

I thought the refs were a bit generous with us yesterday on some of the other PI calls, maybe to compensate for the terrible replay assist usage in the 1st qtr.   I missed the GD thread on gameday to hear what everyone's thoughts were on that deep ball to Shakir that was called a catch and a DPI even though the defender ended up with it.  I always thought that the rule was that if the defender was watching the receiver, not the ball and the receiver was trying to work back towards the ball, the DPI always gets called.   On that play however Jones did turn his head around at the end to make a play for the ball.   It kinda looked like Shakir partially caught it in his arms but he never actually had a hand on the ball that I saw.   Seems like that was one of those plays that was gonna stand as called with not enough evidence to overturn it either way.  

 

 

Another thing I noticed yesterday on that 4th down stop at the end of the game it looked like Taron Johnson was holding the sh*t out of Diggs on that play.  Think we got away with one there.  

First it was a catch s they had simultaneous possession.  What happens after they hit te ground is not relevant.

 

Second, it was clearly pass interference as the DB prevented the WR from coming back to the ball.  That is called about 95% of the game that I have watched.

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, Lost said:

 

This part I disagree with.   Shakir had the ball in his arms for a second but it almost looks as if it just slipped out into the defender's hands.   Never saw him attempt to rip it out.   

Legitimately have absolutely no idea how anyone is seeing that play that way haha.  It was another ‘whistled right past the defender’ play like last week, Shakir obviously catches it and has it for a bit without jones even knowing he caught it, they start to wrestle over it as Shakir hits the ground then jones comes away with it after the play 

 

if the roles were reversed pats fans would say both of the plays being discussed in here were properly officiated 

3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

First it was a catch s they had simultaneous possession.  What happens after they hit te ground is not relevant.

 

Second, it was clearly pass interference as the DB prevented the WR from coming back to the ball.  That is called about 95% of the game that I have watched.

 

 

Wasn’t even simultaneous…Shakir obviously has it first.  Credit to the NE media machine for being powerful enough to turn these obviously correctly officiated plays into controversies when they had the most absurd clock operator gaffe I’ve ever seen go in their favor, drew offsetting penalties somehow for punching Milano in the face, and replay assistance wasn’t used on that boutte catch early but was used multiple times against the bills.
 

 one of the most embarrassing games to blame the refs I’ve ever seen 

Edited 1 hour ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[BUFFALOTONE]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

Neither of those things are penalties in the NFL.

The contact he made pushing Shakir before the ball arrived was what was illegal.

Shakir also caught the ball as well which nullifies the PI. 

[Jauronimo]

1 hour ago, finn said:

The "hold" on Coleman was also bogus. Coleman dropped the ball (again) all on his own. On the other hand, that pass the Pats receiver caught that hit the ground in the first quarter was not a catch. 

Jersey tug gets called all the time.  I don't think it was egregious and I wouldn't have had an issue if they picked the flag up but thats a common call and an easy one for the ref to spot.

[oldmanfan]

He ran right at Shakir, did not look back for the ball, and impeded Shakir’s ability to try and make a catch.  Classic pass interference.

[billieve420]

17 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Jersey tug gets called all the time.  I don't think it was egregious and I wouldn't have had an issue if they picked the flag up but thats a common call and an easy one for the ref to spot.

 

Yeah the Coleman call was iffy at best and Refs seems to call those irregularly when it happens all the time. Disliked that call the most out of all of them but glad it went our way.

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

“Just give it to him”

 

[Ralonzo]

2 hours ago, finn said:

The "hold" on Coleman was also bogus. Coleman dropped the ball (again) all on his own. On the other hand, that pass the Pats receiver caught that hit the ground in the first quarter was not a catch. 

 

"You can see the handful of jersey restricting the receiver, they're going to call that every time."

 

- Every NFL Color Analyst Ever 

 

[Niagara Dude]

2 hours ago, Lost said:

I thought the refs were a bit generous with us yesterday on some of the other PI calls, maybe to compensate for the terrible replay assist usage in the 1st qtr.   I missed the GD thread on gameday to hear what everyone's thoughts were on that deep ball to Shakir that was called a catch and a DPI even though the defender ended up with it.  I always thought that the rule was that if the defender was watching the receiver, not the ball and the receiver was trying to work back towards the ball, the DPI always gets called.   On that play however Jones did turn his head around at the end to make a play for the ball.   It kinda looked like Shakir partially caught it in his arms but he never actually had a hand on the ball that I saw.   Seems like that was one of those plays that was gonna stand as called with not enough evidence to overturn it either way.  

 

 

Another thing I noticed yesterday on that 4th down stop at the end of the game it looked like Taron Johnson was holding the sh*t out of Diggs on that play.  Think we got away with one there.  

Jones also had his hands all over Shakir well before ball got there and he ran through the receiver,  easy call and I was telling Pats fans last night on twitter to just sit down and shut up because Bills got screwed in our first game with 13 penalties including many drive killing questionable holding calls

 

Pats also complained about PI on Coleman ,  replay clearly shows Pats defender pulling on Coleman's jersey well before ball arrived.  I noticed many NFL pundits who also have podcasts were moaning about calls against the Pats,  this is because Boston is largest market 

 

The fact is,  if you take away opening series where refs gave them 7 points on dropped ball that was called a catch than this game could have been a blow out.  I was not impressed with Maye who looks like another Mac Jones

 

I would love to see Maye go against Texans defence

[transplantbillsfan]

2 hours ago, Lost said:

I thought the refs were a bit generous with us yesterday on some of the other PI calls, maybe to compensate for the terrible replay assist usage in the 1st qtr.   I missed the GD thread on gameday to hear what everyone's thoughts were on that deep ball to Shakir that was called a catch and a DPI even though the defender ended up with it.  I always thought that the rule was that if the defender was watching the receiver, not the ball and the receiver was trying to work back towards the ball, the DPI always gets called.   On that play however Jones did turn his head around at the end to make a play for the ball.   It kinda looked like Shakir partially caught it in his arms but he never actually had a hand on the ball that I saw.   Seems like that was one of those plays that was gonna stand as called with not enough evidence to overturn it either way.  

 

 

Another thing I noticed yesterday on that 4th down stop at the end of the game it looked like Taron Johnson was holding the sh*t out of Diggs on that play.  Think we got away with one there.  

 

It was DPI. Jones turned his head around after interfering with Shakir.

[Niagara Dude]

2 hours ago, Lost said:

I thought the refs were a bit generous with us yesterday on some of the other PI calls, maybe to compensate for the terrible replay assist usage in the 1st qtr.   I missed the GD thread on gameday to hear what everyone's thoughts were on that deep ball to Shakir that was called a catch and a DPI even though the defender ended up with it.  I always thought that the rule was that if the defender was watching the receiver, not the ball and the receiver was trying to work back towards the ball, the DPI always gets called.   On that play however Jones did turn his head around at the end to make a play for the ball.   It kinda looked like Shakir partially caught it in his arms but he never actually had a hand on the ball that I saw.   Seems like that was one of those plays that was gonna stand as called with not enough evidence to overturn it either way.  

 

 

Another thing I noticed yesterday on that 4th down stop at the end of the game it looked like Taron Johnson was holding the sh*t out of Diggs on that play.  Think we got away with one there.  

 

Crying over it today

 

 

 

[Bermuda Triangle]

Vrabel is whining about the refs

 

 

I guess he forgot the TD that was wiped out due to a Torrence hold?

[finn]

2 hours ago, QLBillsFan said:

A hold isn’t bogus if you grab the shirt and it’s on camera.. both announcers said that is a good call.. 

The announcers' opinion shouldn't impress anyone. The call is bogus in the most important sense, that it just shouldn't be called. It violates the spirit of the rule, which is to stop players from dirty play. No way that Coleman even felt a tug. He was too busy concentrating on dropping the pass. NFL referees need rigorous, ongoing training to avoid poor calls like this, and to learn how to resist the inevitable bias they bring to every game. 

[harryS]

1 hour ago, GASabresIUFan said:

It was PI and therefore it didn’t matter if Shakir caught the ball or didn’t or if it was an interception or not.  It would be first down Bills at the spot of the foul.  Only Shakir’s and Josh’s stats benefit from catch vs no catch.

 

Absolutely.  I've seen a lot of Pats fans focusing on the catch vs INT portion of that play when it's completely irrelevant.  Bills only accepted the play (declined the penalty) because we got credit for the catch.  If it was an INT, we would've accepted the penalty and it would've been a spot foul and first down at nearly the same place.

 

2 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

It was interference, but this kind of PI needs to be different or something and not a spot-foul.  The underthrown deep ball where the receiver needs to stop and the defender runs into him.  It is kind of a cheap way to pick up 30 yards.

 

A rule change would be good after Josh Allen retires.  DPI being a spot foul instead of 15 yards is a huge reason why the NFL is more QB-driven than college football (although QB is pretty important in the latter as well).  Given that we have the best QB and aren't that talented elsewhere, let's keep DPI how it is.  And let's add some boundary WR talent to help draw more DPIs.

 

 

[QLBillsFan]

1 minute ago, finn said:

The announcers' opinion shouldn't impress anyone. The call is bogus in the most important sense, that it just shouldn't be called. It violates the spirit of the rule, which is to stop players from dirty play. No way that Coleman even felt a tug. He was too busy concentrating on dropping the pass. NFL referees need rigorous, ongoing training to avoid poor calls like this, and to learn how to resist the inevitable bias they bring to every game. 

Wow he was on the route break.. you are going to continue to state that his jersey wasn’t grabbed ok.. have fun with that.