Thoughts on the Shakir PI call

[HiMark]

31 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

It was interference, but this kind of PI needs to be different or something and not a spot-foul.  The underthrown deep ball where the receiver needs to stop and the defender runs into him.  It is kind of a cheap way to pick up 30 yards.

...and/or an expensive way to get intercepted

[SoonerBillsFan]

It was PI 100%, so NE crybabies can keep whining all they want.

[Simon]

21 minutes ago, balln said:

This is the unfortunate part of the rules where a deep ball that’s underthrown and the db w back to ball (correct technique) interferes with the wr trying to come back (this play Shakir did this minimally) to catch. 
 

I believe Greg Olsen was talking about it last week. Wants it changed in rules. Never will be changed 

 

It certainly makes things harder on DB's, but in a league that always wants more offense you just have to find a way to adjust.

I wouldn't be opposed to them adding a "forcible contact" standard to that call like they've done with others.

[Mr. WEO]

Not that it would have a difference given the PI call, but Shakir never had possession ("caught") that pass.

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Not that it would have a difference given the PI call, but Shakir never had possession ("caught") that pass.

 

Thank gawd they threw the flag.

Otherwise there would have been a 20 minute review on something that nobody could have possibly seen.

[LarryMadman]

Thought it was defensive PI so even if the DB did intercept it it wouldn't have counted. That said I think the refs called it a catch for Shakir to give McDermott the option of Josh and Kalil to keep their stats on that play because, again an interception wouldnt have mattered as it wouldnt have stood because of DPI.  

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I just can’t believe that was the play on 4th and 2.

 

[balln]

11 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

It certainly makes things harder on DB's, but in a league that always wants more offense you just have to find a way to adjust.

I wouldn't be opposed to them adding a "forcible contact" standard to that call like they've done with others.

Yeah, I like that. When it’s kind of a cheap offensive ploy but still interference maybe make it a 15 yard penalty. But if it’s essentially the DB intentionally making contact and tackling then it’s a spot like regular pass  interference.

Edited 2 hours ago by balln

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Back to the ball, early obvious contact. Easy one

[Mr. WEO]

13 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Thank gawd they threw the flag.

Otherwise there would have been a 20 minute review on something that nobody could have possibly seen.

 

would have been ruled an INT I bet

[billsbackto81]

51 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

It was interference, but this kind of PI needs to be different or something and not a spot-foul.  The underthrown deep ball where the receiver needs to stop and the defender runs into him.  It is kind of a cheap way to pick up 30 yards.

Yep. Happened to Tre against Cincy last week. 

[NewEra]

I think it’s a penalty that is often uncalled (and also often called).  We got the love this time. We often don’t.  That life as an nfl fan.  You win some and you lose some. 
 

the catch was similar to bishop/worthy in the playoffs last year except worthy had 2 hands on the ball for longer.  
 

I'm not sure how the rule is worded, but if the WR and CB have both hands on the ball the moment they are “down”, it should be a catch due to the ball automatically going to the offense.  
 

If the argument is, that Shakir had 2hands on the ball, then hit the ground and doesn’t maintain possession through  the ground contact that I get the frustration.  He didn’t have his hands on the ball for.long.  

12 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

would have been ruled an INT I bet

A patriot fan would

[pennstate10]

1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

If you make any contact while doing those things they directly lead to the PI almost every time.

Nah, the key was DB was not going for the ball. DB has the right to the ball. If he had located the ball and made the exact same contact it would be no foul. But as it was he contacts Shakir before he even turns his head. That becomes PI at that instant and the rest of the play is irrelevant. Except for prop bets and fantasy stats. 

[stlbills13]

The PI call was about as obvious as it gets. I don't love the rule but it's easy. Ball slightly underthrown, defender doesn't turn his head soon enough. Textbook. The actual catch...It doesn't really matter but actually good to see them follow the rule on that too

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:

Nah, the key was DB was not going for the ball. DB has the right to the ball. If he had located the ball and made the exact same contact it would be no foul. But as it was he contacts Shakir before he even turns his head. That becomes PI at that instant and the rest of the play is irrelevant. Except for prop bets and fantasy stats. 

 

Yea it was the DB getting there early and actually this wasn't a case of Shakir "playing for the flag" as some do trying to come back through the DB.... Shakir barely moved and the DB was clearly there early and made contact with Shakir a second and a half before the ball arrived. That was why the flag was called. If the contact only happens as the ball arrives that is not PI because the defender does have his head round and is trying (and successful) in playing the football. 

 

But you still can't get there a second and a half too soon. The best angle was from the far sideline looking back across. On that replay you clearly saw the DB contact with Shakir and the ball is only just coming into shot. 

[Shortchaz]

I know watching it live I felt the refs played a substantial role in the game. I’m glad it ultimately worked in our favor, especially since we were playing the patriots. Feel like we are still due from the Brady years. 

[Starr Almighty]

1 hour ago, RichRiderBills said:

By the way, he is is clearly not playing the ball in the initial stages of the play while the ball is in the air pushing shakir as Shakira is trying to work his way back to the ball because it's an under throw. . 

 

Eventually he turns his head around and gets in on the play.

 

It's not even borderline it's a clear DPI call

I think they threw the flag cause her hips don't lie. 

[Einstein]

The refs spotted NE 7 full points on that first drive. Nothing they did for us was worse than that IMO.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, finn said:

The "hold" on Coleman was also bogus. Coleman dropped the ball (again) all on his own. On the other hand, that pass the Pats receiver caught that hit the ground in the first quarter was not a catch. 

Lol I’m all for hating Coleman but grabbing a huge chunk of jersey when you’re beat and a guy is making his break is always PI and a very very easy call.  we see a couple of those every week.  It’s not the same scenario as grabbing a bit of jersey when going stride for stride with a receiver that’s handfighting with you down the sideline 

 

it’s pats fans tryin to cope…the results on either of those dpi plays were nowhere close to controversial..  the Shakir one was a little soft but he definitely caught the ball anyway…it’s not even joint possession when the wr catches it first.  
 

Really embarrassing that jones criticized the officials on that play too when he 100% knows Shakir caught the ball and he ripped it out when he was down 

Edited 2 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, nuklz2594 said:

officiating in todays NFL seems to be more based on feelings...

I hate when fans say this because there was never a time when fans like officiating? I’ve been watching the NFL since the mid 90’s and intently since the early 00’s people bitched about the refs then as much as they do now. I’m sure my dad back in the 60’s and 70’s was complaining about the refs the same way as people do now. 
 

I’ve yet to meet a fan who can point to an era of good officiating