DT T.J. Sanders and S Damar Hamlin to Injured Reseve

[Richard Noggin]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Again, I disagree with this completely. You think they're taking T.J. Sanders, our high 2nd Round selection, off the field and having his Rookie season and development upended by doing elective surgery - so they can replace him with Larry friggin' Ogunjobi? 

 

That would be big dumb. And they don't even need to do that. Damar Hamlin tore his pec. There's guys like Brandon Codrington and Ja'Marcus Ingram who are inactive or barely used. Guys like Sam Franklin Jr. and Jimmy Ciarlo who are players who could easily be moved back to the Practice Squad.

 

There is no "clever" roster manipulation. Just guys legitimately getting injured.

 

While I agree that the Sanders situation seems legit, I must disagree that NFL teams don't engage in "'clever' roster manipulation." There are ways of red-shirting young players without subjecting them to waiver wires or poaching, if they play along. There are injuries that don't necessarily require immediate surgery, so players/teams can choose the rehab route to keep a season alive, but those same injuries could also be candidates for immediate surgery in order to prioritize long term recovery which then entails missing most or all of the current season. Injury settlements stem from occasions when teams and players disagree about how best to manage injuries in the short term, with the teams usually shelving a guy (with eyes on overall roster management) who feels like he can get back in the fold faster. 

 

Like so many things in football, it's not black and white much of the time. The pending returns of IR'd and suspended players is undoubtedly influencing some of the team's personnel decisions, but not necessarily in some nefarious way. It's just part of the in-season roster management reality. 

[BillsFanForever19]

49 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

While I agree that the Sanders situation seems legit, I must disagree that NFL teams don't engage in "'clever' roster manipulation." There are ways of red-shirting young players without subjecting them to waiver wires or poaching, if they play along. There are injuries that don't necessarily require immediate surgery, so players/teams can choose the rehab route to keep a season alive, but those same injuries could also be candidates for immediate surgery in order to prioritize long term recovery which then entails missing most or all of the current season. Injury settlements stem from occasions when teams and players disagree about how best to manage injuries in the short term, with the teams usually shelving a guy (with eyes on overall roster management) who feels like he can get back in the fold faster. 

 

Like so many things in football, it's not black and white much of the time. The pending returns of IR'd and suspended players is undoubtedly influencing some of the team's personnel decisions, but not necessarily in some nefarious way. It's just part of the in-season roster management reality. 

 

I didn't say that it isn't a thing that teams do. Just that it's not something we're doing in this instance.

 

Even if you don't count Bass and Johnston (as their IR's necessitate replacements who can't be cut unless they're coming back), there were still 4 IR'ed players before Sanders and Hamlin today. Meaning 4 people who are essentially placeholders on the roster, 3 of which wouldn't have been on it if Hairston, Hoecht, and Ogunjobi were available. 

 

And that doesn't even take into account someone like Brandon Codrington, who is still on the roster but doesn't have a role anymore and is easily moved on. Or players who could potentially get long term injured this week against the Falcons.

 

All this to say that voluntarily moving Sanders and Hamlin off the active roster wasn't necessary. And with Sanders in particular, you wouldn't do that unless you had to. Getting the guys we need to get on was a cake walk before today. So it doesn't make sense that they'd IR Sanders and Hamlin for them. Especially now when we can't even dress any of them.

 

People were saying the same thing about us IR'ing Strong last week. As if we'd voluntarily put ourselves in the position we were in against the Pats, where we had no choice but to stick with him while he was playing maybe the worst game of his life, all the while with Hairston not even close to returning.

Edited 9 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[frostbitmic]

14 hours ago, LEBills said:

call Justin Simmons, we don’t have any reinforcements coming in the safety room.

They can bring up Poyer 😁

[T master]

13 hours ago, chris heff said:

Hamlin got hurt at practice on Wednesday, pectoral injury.

🤔

[Matt_In_NH]

15 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Sanders getting hurt saves Ogunjobi from getting cut. 

 

When did Hamlin get hurt? What is the injury? 

Sanders could have a minor injury the team is using as a way to free up the spot, he has not been noticeable and definitely outplayed by the 4th rounder.  Ogunjobi was not every getting cut

[MarlinTheMagician]

Would not mind seeing Poyer play some.  He looked so slow last year, but at least he would be where he is supposed to be.  Rapp seems constantly out of position.  DIdn't Poyer - diminished as he may have been - grade out higher than Rapp last year.  At least he wouldn't do stupid shi*

[That's No Moon]

4 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

Would not mind seeing Poyer play some.  He looked so slow last year, but at least he would be where he is supposed to be.  Rapp seems constantly out of position.  DIdn't Poyer - diminished as he may have been - grade out higher than Rapp last year.  At least he wouldn't do stupid shi*

Jordan Poyer handed us the field position to kick a game winning 60 yard field goal by doing "stupid *****"

[LEBills]

1 hour ago, frostbitmic said:

They can bring up Poyer 😁

I stand corrected, Beane is ready 😵