For all you McDermott haters, who would you want? (Now a poll)

[Draconator]

55 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

Add a poll

Good idea. I'll work on this later tonight. 

[FireChans]

37 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I post this once but I think it got lost when the threads were merged....

 

I think McDermott is now in trouble because I don't think this is a Championship roster and I don't think he should, or will, get another 3 years it might take to remake it as such. 

 

I think more of the spotlight should fall on Brandon Beane. He has known for TWO OFFSEASONS that we are seriously deficient at outside receiver and safety and his attempts to fix both major holes have been laughable. And then consider that this spring he had capital. He had some manouvrability under the cap (unlike in fairness last spring). He had 10 draft picks. He had the ability to be aggressive in upgrading the roster. His decisions were:

 

Sign Bosa

Sign Ogunjobi

Sign Hoecht

Sign Palmer

Draft Hairston

Draft Sanders

Draft Jackson

Extend Rousseau

Extend Bernard

Extend Benford

Extend Shakir

Extend Cook

 

In terms of serious asset allocation he made those twelve moves. Right now, today how many of them look like successes? The PED duo were his choices. The extensions were him locking up his best draft class since Josh. Taking a toolsy corner with known injury history was him. Even more damning for the GM the one move there that was a slam dunk success is the Cook deal he had to be persuaded on.

 

If by the end of this season that list of 12 moves does not look a lot more successful than it does right now today then Brandon Beane's job should be under major scrutiny. Other than Bosa and Ogunjobi the rest of those are longer term commitments to build the second Allen era contender. You would be hard pushed now to say he had got them right. 

The meme that McD has no input on extensions or targeted FAs has to end.

 

Sure, he isn’t breaking down tape of fifth round targets. But you are telling me he has no influence on whether or not to pay Rousseau? That’s is unbelievable.

 

This is McD and Beane’s roster and vision and should it prove to be a bust, send them both packing.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

The meme that McD has no input on extensions or targeted FAs has to end.

 

Sure, he isn’t breaking down tape of fifth round targets. But you are telling me he has no influence on whether or not to pay Rousseau? That’s is unbelievable.

 

This is McD and Beane’s roster and vision and should it prove to be a bust, send them both packing.

hc sets the menu, gm gets the ingredients

[LABILLBACKER]

28 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Nobody. We had that with #78 but that was a long time ago.

Yes, Bruce was a HOF game wrecker.  McBeane have been incapable of finding an impact defensive player for 8 long years. That's alot of draft picks wasted.

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

hc sets the menu, gm gets the ingredients

....and both of them together gives you food poisoning. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

I also like Kliff Klingsbury.

 

Imagine what a young offensive minded coach like him could do with Josh Allen.

 

Any coach can win with Josh Allen

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Yes, Bruce was a HOF game wrecker.  McBeane have been incapable of finding an impact defensive player for 8 long years. That's alot of draft picks wasted.

 

In fairness, and what a lot of folks seem to forget is, Bruce was a #1 Overall pick.

 

Give Beane the #1 overall pick and I'd bet he'd find a decent pass rusher. As it stands, we're picking in the mid to late 20s, if not 30s.

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

The meme that McD has no input on extensions or targeted FAs has to end.

 

Sure, he isn’t breaking down tape of fifth round targets. But you are telling me he has no influence on whether or not to pay Rousseau? That’s is unbelievable.

 

This is McD and Beane’s roster and vision and should it prove to be a bust, send them both packing.

 

No I am not telling you that, particularly on extensions of course McDermott has significant influence. But Brandon Beane owns the bulk of the responsibility for the roster. Now if the feeling in the building is they are equally culpable on the roster build then they both have to go. Because that series of decisions in the spring looks like a total whiff.

[corta765]

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I absolutely love Josh as I’ve said and think it’s a small sample size fluky thing more than anything, but mahomes/brady probably don’t have a stretch of going 1-6 on fourth quarter scoring drives against a rival in the playoffs in a 2 game stretch on their resume.  I’ll take a look though I could be wrong.  Josh would be the first to tell you that’s nowhere near good enough I think 

 

The average playoff game stats are all well and good to talk about, but when the best qb in the league has the ball in his hands and a chance to ice the game none of that really matters. Im not saying don’t blame the defense, but this whole ‘Josh hasn’t gotten a chance to win the game’ type stuff just isn’t true the past couple years and wasn’t true last night

kc/NE have had their playoff games where they’ve had to score 30+ and they’ve been pretty flawless offensively late in those games to avoid having to talk about how their defense blew the game 😂. First superbowl against the eagles kc went td-td-td-fg in the second half to come back from a 10 point deficit.  Super Bowl against SF they were a mess the first half on offense and got hot when it mattered also.  
 

 

No one is debating Josh with the ball in his hand and doing more. I was disappointed he didn't come through last year in the AFC title when he did have the ball. He also left the field in 2021 with the lead twice and never even got to respond. The issue again is this defense never rises period. Pats won multiple SBs with their defense limiting the offense to 20 pts or less including the Rams to just 3 in 2018. Mahomes in two his wins against the 49ers had his defense hold them to 22 & 20. Their is no debating Mahomes did his part scoring wise and it is why it is him and Brady... then everyone else. Hell Mannings last SB he was mostly a passenger to an all world defense and his first SB win came in part because they actually rose up to limit Chicago.

 

The point I refuse to back off from and which points directly to McD is the head coaches sweet spot is supposed to be defense. The investments made have been defense. A no time has the defense in the elimination game actually done enough where you could squarely look and say "they did their part where is the offense". Instead its been the reverse time and time again despite all the investment and McDs scheme. Additionally while Josh is stuck with McD who doesn't even register as a top 10 coach in the league Pat and Brady got two of top five coaches in league history. Josh would be the first to say he needs to do more when it matters, but for an org that says its focused on raising the boats to help him and said as much this offseason there is nothing indicating that is happening or will happen for that matter.

[Mikie2times]

28 minutes ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

 

 

And who is the next HC to take us even further?........or do you believe that McD is the guy to get us over the hump, for the past 9 years, mind you.

I don't really worry as much as some on a potential new head coach. McD was nobody when he was brought here. Many are, most are simply average or slightly above/below. We need a new perspective and a fresh face more than a savant. Allen will provide the stability people seem to think we will suddenly lose.  

 

[Sweats]

Just now, Mikie2times said:

I don't really worry as much as some on a potential new head coach. McD was nobody when he was brought here. Many are, most are simply average or slightly above/below. We need a new perspective and a fresh face more than a savant. Allen will provide the stability people seem to think we will suddenly lose.  

 

 

 

 

 

Wiser words have never been spoken.

[T.E.]

Just now, Mikie2times said:

I don't really worry as much as some on a potential new head coach. McD was nobody when he was brought here. Many are, most are simply average or slightly above/below. We need a new perspective and a fresh face more than a savant. Allen will provide the stability people seem to think we will suddenly lose.  

 

This is my position. It's not about finding someone who we know is definitively better; it's more about trying something new. I could coach this team to 10-7 with Allen - they're not going to start missing the playoffs if we shake things up a bit.

[FireChans]

46 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No I am not telling you that, particularly on extensions of course McDermott has significant influence. But Brandon Beane owns the bulk of the responsibility for the roster. Now if the feeling in the building is they are equally culpable on the roster build then they both have to go. Because that series of decisions in the spring looks like a total whiff.

It was obviously predictable.

 

We decided to run it back and give long-term extensions to basically 4 core players who are good but not great.  Fill some holes with JAGs and draft near exclusively defense.

 

The only way the strategy was going to work is if they drafted 2 Pro Bowlers. Otherwise, we now have a very expensive group of good but not great players.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

13 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

No one is debating Josh with the ball in his hand and doing more. I was disappointed he didn't come through last year in the AFC title when he did have the ball. He also left the field in 2021 with the lead twice and never even got to respond. The issue again is this defense never rises period. Pats won multiple SBs with their defense limiting the offense to 20 pts or less including the Rams to just 3 in 2018. Mahomes in two his wins against the 49ers had his defense hold them to 22 & 20. Their is no debating Mahomes did his part scoring wise and it is why it is him and Brady... then everyone else. Hell Mannings last SB he was mostly a passenger to an all world defense and his first SB win came in part because they actually rose up to limit Chicago.

 

The point I refuse to back off from and which points directly to McD is the head coaches sweet spot is supposed to be defense. The investments made have been defense. A no time has the defense in the elimination game actually done enough where you could squarely look and say "they did their part where is the offense". Instead its been the reverse time and time again despite all the investment and McDs scheme. Additionally while Josh is stuck with McD who doesn't even register as a top 10 coach in the league Pat and Brady got two of top five coaches in league history. Josh would be the first to say he needs to do more when it matters, but for an org that says its focused on raising the boats to help him and said as much this offseason there is nothing indicating that is happening or will happen for that matter.

You may not be debating it lol but many are.  Tons of ‘the defense never gets the stop to give the offense a chance late’ takes today which is the only reason I posted that in the first place

 

its just a real interesting debate I don’t think it’s as simple as anyone is making it …pats with probably the best defensive coach of all time had to score 27+ at least once almost every successful superbowl run and had to score 37 the one time he met mahomes. Who knows what those games woulda looked like if their primes lined up a little differently.  I think 2001 the pats held everyone under 20 and that was it but that was a very different era  

 

there aren’t many runs where a team doesn’t have to score 27-30 points one or more times anymore.  I feel like there was a brief period in the mid 2010s where defense was marketable where it happened haha like the legion of boom days.  They let dbs get away with murder back then lol

 

eagles did it last year with that late stand against the rams but I can’t think of too many others 

 

 

[DeltaDigital]

4 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

You are probably right in that McDermott and Beane aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Sadly, I am starting to think Allen will be joining Marino and Ewing as great players who organizations didn't give them enough help to win a championship.

They’re 100% gonna Marino/rivers Josh Allen. It’s a crime against humanity 

[TheFunPolice]

It's almost harder to GET to the Super Bowl than win it. Getting there means a lot of things have to go right. Stay healthy, get a few bounces, avoid the back breaking PI penalty... 

 

Once you're there it's one football game and Doug Pederson and Nick Foles can win over Belichick and Brady. If that's a 7 game series NE wins 4-2 or 4-1. That's the beauty of football, though. 

 

It's not realistic of course, but imagine if last season the NFL decided "enough Chiefs!" and just put the Browns in the Super Bowl vs the Eagles for variety. I would have given them a 25-30% shot at winning. Myles Garrett causes a fumble, Barkley tweaks a hammy, Eagles miss a FG, Romo goes "ohhhhhhhhhhhh Jim!" and suddenly it's the 4th quarter and it's an Eagles type score of 15-11 and we have drama. 

 

But of course, you have to get there to earn that chance. 

 

Thus the question is not CAN a McDermott coached team win one, because of course they can. Can they GET THERE is the real question that is TBD. 

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[Buffalo Boy]

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[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

You may not be debating it lol but many are.  Tons of ‘the defense never gets the stop to give the offense a chance late’ takes today which is the only reason I posted that in the first place

 

its just a real interesting debate I don’t think it’s as simple as anyone is making it …pats with probably the best defensive coach of all time had to score 27+ at least once almost every successful superbowl run and had to score 37 the one time he met mahomes. Who knows what those games woulda looked like if their primes lined up a little differently.  I think 2001 the pats held everyone under 20 and that was it but that was a very different era  

 

there aren’t many runs where a team doesn’t have to score 27-30 points one or more times anymore.  I feel like there was a brief period in the mid 2010s where defense was marketable where it happened haha like the legion of boom days.  They let dbs get away with murder back then lol

 

eagles did it last year with that late stand against the rams but I can’t think of too many others 

 

 

chiefs literally just won a super bowl two years ago never scoring more than 27

 

bengals got there never scoring more than 24

 

[BananaB]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

chiefs literally just won a super bowl two years ago never scoring more than 27

 

bengals got there never scoring more than 24

 

They are different teams. There is no comparison. This D  is weak against the run, weak against the pass and terrible on 3rd down. With that many problems you don’t go far. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

chiefs literally just won a super bowl two years ago never scoring more than 27

 

bengals got there never scoring more than 24

 

Defense is the most important thing in every sport. It’s the only way to sustainably win big games. If you can’t make stops, you are asking your offense to be perfect every drive every week. That’s why we still have no rings. The defense is the problem. The defense getting fixed is how we win a Super Bowl. Unfortunately step 1 of fixing it is removing our own HC from the room