Nearly three days after that instant classic I have further thoughts…

[HappyDays]

5 hours ago, bearstobills said:

My thought on the Coleman tipped td,  it seems that Knox purposely tipped it backward.

 

It definitely was not intentional but how funny that we won this game because Knox did a volleyball set into a basketball rebound from Coleman.

[stevewin]

1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

I will say on the spot, when the play first happened and watching it live, my first thought was he started the slide to early and don't think he made the first down.  Seeing the replay, yes was a poor spot and he made it. 

 

But the refs don't have the benefit of replay.  Maybe they should, but then the games would be 4 hours long and we'd be staying up till 1:00 till the end of the game.

The 'eye in the sky' replay assist is supposed to be the solution.  Why they didn't call down in that case was crazy - everyone on their couch saw the spot was a full yard off.  Total failure in that regard

[Success]

On the 2-point conversion point:  clearly, we need more creative play designs there.

 

That was really disappointing to me. Those looked like regular plays that we run in low-leverage situations.  Collinsworth was even saying on that last one how he expected the Bills to pull out something that teams practice every day for that situation & that was more unexpected, but it ended up just being an out to Coleman.

 

It's hard to gauge Brady as an OC in general, just because he has Allen and Allen makes just about everything work. But Brady needs to work on those 2-point situations, imo.

 

[90sBills]

3 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

KC is also in real danger of going 0-2. The Eagles at Chiefs is the national game on Sunday at 4:25. Even though its in Arrowhead this will still be a very tough game for the Chiefs. Throw in the fact that the division looks stronger and the days of them dominating the AFCW are probably over. That doesn't mean they can't win the division but for the 1st time in a long time they will be challenged for it.

I think they will be 0-2 after this week. Their best case scenario, imo, would be 3-3 without Rice and Worthy. When those guys are back I can see them go on a run to win the division and be a factor in the playoffs. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

20 minutes ago, stevewin said:

The 'eye in the sky' replay assist is supposed to be the solution.  Why they didn't call down in that case was crazy - everyone on their couch saw the spot was a full yard off.  Total failure in that regard

 

Yeah wonder why that didn't happen??

 

PS If you're 650.29 miles from Nick Tahou's, then I must be around 750!

[The Firebaugh Kid]

If they can perfect the ball placement, Keon will be a monster in those red zone back shoulder fades. He's playing basketball out there. 

[Old Coot]

8 hours ago, Buffalo Junction said:

5) Coleman being mugged on the 2pt try and nearly stripped of his jersey was egregious Defensive Holding

 

If Josh was out of the box, then it's legal for the D to trash the receivers.

 

I can't tell if that's so. Maybe someone who views the all 22 can clear this up.

[JÂy RÛßeÒ]

9 hours ago, eball said:

 

• There’s no way to prove it, but I believe that Oliver’s crushing hit on Lamar on 3rd down impacted Harbaugh’s decision to punt.

 

oh he said as much in his post-game presser.  Something along the lines of "when he came toward the sidelines I could see he wasn't right so i went ahead and punted it"

 

Although Lamar apparently called it "cramping"

https://www.si.com/nfl/john-harbaugh-explains-controversial-decision-to-punt-on-final-4th-down

 

Edited September 10 by JÂy RÛßeÒ

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

3 hours ago, Success said:

On the 2-point conversion point:  clearly, we need more creative play designs there.

 

That was really disappointing to me. Those looked like regular plays that we run in low-leverage situations.  Collinsworth was even saying on that last one how he expected the Bills to pull out something that teams practice every day for that situation & that was more unexpected, but it ended up just being an out to Coleman.

 

It's hard to gauge Brady as an OC in general, just because he has Allen and Allen makes just about everything work. But Brady needs to work on those 2-point situations, imo.

 

 

Going back to the AFCCG we've now failed 5 consecutive 2 point conversions. Pretty insane with Josh Allen as QB

 

We really need to figure something out on short yardage, have to have it, type plays 

[Mikie2times]

5 minutes ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said:

oh he said as much in his post-game presser.  Something along the lines of "when he came toward the sidelines I could see he wasn't right so i went ahead and punted it"

 

Although Lamar apparently called it "cramping"

https://www.si.com/nfl/john-harbaugh-explains-controversial-decision-to-punt-on-final-4th-down

 

I won't say we got lucky on that call, it was a clean hit. But I have seen roughing called for a heck of a lot less. I can't imagine if they would have thrown the flag in that spot. Imagine that game ending on a roughing call. 

[Big Turk]

10 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

1) I fear everyone is writing off the Chiefs. To be the best, ya gotta beat the best

2) I expected all of this and expect more

3) how Hawes hung on to that pass was impressive. His blocking is fantastic. Keep working on catching the ball

4) the high fade to Coleman IS our best 2pt play

5) Coleman being mugged on the 2pt try and nearly stripped of his jersey was egregious Defensive Holding

6) Completely agree. He was really hurt by that hit & I think his injury will be listed with the League

7) Ditto. Knox got in the way and nearly lost us the game. Josh just isn’t that inaccurate on these throws

😎 he breaks that tackle and suddenly a WIDE open field! We caught them in a blitz I believe

9) February 

 

During the regular season, it's become old-hat to beat the Chiefs.  We need to do it in the playoffs.

[Old Coot]

6 hours ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said:

Although Lamar apparently called it "cramping"

Probably brain cramping. That was quite a lick that Ed laid on Lamar.

[GunnerBill]

11 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

Going back to the AFCCG we've now failed 5 consecutive 2 point conversions. Pretty insane with Josh Allen as QB

 

We really need to figure something out on short yardage, have to have it, type plays 

 

Not a defense of the Bills but the success rate on 2 pointers across the NFL has plummeted. It was the lowest for 15 years last year. I always said as more teams go for them the math would change on how likely you are to get them. 

 

On the Bills they need to freshen up their list of 2 plays. I feel like we have seen that little flare motion they tried on the second one with Cook multiple times and teams are alive to it now.

[Sierra Foothills]

23 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I watched part of the replay last night and I’m still not convinced that any part of the Ravens’ gunner actually touched the goal line when downing their punt. The camera angles didn’t show it well enough for Harbaugh to challenge and I’m sure he was thinking ‘we’ve got this game in the bag’ at the time…but it would’ve put the Bills backed up against their own end zone. 

 

Count me among those who feel his hand/glove touched and that the official was in perfect position.

 

You'll notice too that the Ravens didn't protest.

 

At 1:37:40:

 

 

22 hours ago, Einstein said:

I don't blame you. He literally didn't move an inch. HE just watched the defender try to intercept the ball without any interreference from him. He might as well have been in Tucson.

 

I was thinking more Galveston.

 

22 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

I will say on the spot, when the play first happened and watching it live, my first thought was he started the slide to early and don't think he made the first down.  Seeing the replay, yes was a poor spot and he made it. 

 

But the refs don't have the benefit of replay.  Maybe they should, but then the games would be 4 hours long and we'd be staying up till 1:00 till the end of the game.

 

You could see immediately that it was a bad spot and that the spotting official was out of position... well behind the play. You could also see that McDermott didn't like the spot but things were happening quickly because the Bills were in a hurry-up/quick snap mode and in the moment he chose not to challenge.

 

NFL Replay Assist is permitted to review spots but didn't... again I think because of the frantic-ness of the moment.

 

At 1:31:35:

 

 

22 hours ago, Einstein said:

The odd part is that we have an NFL ref on payroll to spot these things and tell McD to challenge...

 

Yes, I pointed out in the game thread that former Referee John Parry was hired by the Bills last year in part to assist with challenges.

 

21 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

And yes, Allen missed that throw by at least three feet. Surprised Collinsworth didn't comment on it. You could see that Coleman was ready to elevate and then didn't.  Put that ball three feet higher, Coleman gets his hands above his head, and he catches it.  If the play was designed for the ball to go where Allen put it, it's a pretty low probability play.  

 

Collinsworth did comment on the throw placement at 1:54:00:

 

 

 

Edited September 11 by Sierra Foothills

[Pete]

18 hours ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said:

oh he said as much in his post-game presser.  Something along the lines of "when he came toward the sidelines I could see he wasn't right so i went ahead and punted it"

 

Although Lamar apparently called it "cramping"

https://www.si.com/nfl/john-harbaugh-explains-controversial-decision-to-punt-on-final-4th-down

 

I’m curious to see Ravens injury list.  I wouldn’t be surprised if Ed cracked his ribs

[BobbyC81]

On 9/10/2025 at 3:10 AM, Chandler#81 said:

The AFCW is the best Division in the Conference now with Denver & SD really stepping up. Our path to a Division title is getting there too.. imo.

I also sill think of them as the   🎵 San Di Ego Chargers. 🎵

[DrDawkinstein]

20 minutes ago, Pete said:

I’m curious to see Ravens injury list.  I wouldn’t be surprised if Ed cracked his ribs

 

They'd never publish that tho. I'm sure he's practicing fully even with cracked ribs, so no need to report.

[In Summary]

22 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

5. Why are we so stubborn on traditional 1 tech DT's. Jones was showing signs of being washed last year. Out of all our DT spots we can't afford one DT whose primary focus is defending the run for games like this?

Frustrating for sure. It wouldn't take a major resource commitment to acquire that guy. McDermott just really likes his interior to be part of the pass rush. 

[BobbyC81]

22 hours ago, Success said:

On the 2-point conversion point:  clearly, we need more creative play designs there.

 

That was really disappointing to me. Those looked like regular plays that we run in low-leverage situations.  Collinsworth was even saying on that last one how he expected the Bills to pull out something that teams practice every day for that situation & that was more unexpected, but it ended up just being an out to Coleman.

 

It's hard to gauge Brady as an OC in general, just because he has Allen and Allen makes just about everything work. But Brady needs to work on those 2-point situations, imo.

 

There was another scenario where it was 2nd and short, they ran Cook to the left and he was smothered.  Then it looked like they ran the same play again on 3rd down with the same results.

 

This was like last year with the QB sneak, where the Chiefs knew they ran it to the left, stacked the line to that side and stuffed Josh.  Brady then does the same thing on 4th down with the same result.  Does he run it again because of “they’ll never expect us to run it again” thinking?

Edited September 11 by BobbyC81

[Fleezoid]

23 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

It definitely was not intentional but how funny that we won this game because Knox did a volleyball set into a basketball rebound from Coleman.

 

Having played receiver, when you're in the moment and the ball is in your reach, you go for it. Most of the time you don't know there's someone else in the vicinity and you think it's intended for you. Sometimes it works out okay, like this time. Other times it messes up a golden opportunity.