Bills hosting Gabe Davis for visit

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1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Did we hear anything good or bad about Moore in practice/joint practice last week?  

 

Most of the camp reports I've seen said Moore was a consistent performer but nothing flashy. Then there were a couple reports that said he hasn't done well at all....so, ya know, the usual lol

[Solomon Grundy]

3 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

What Allen wants, Allen gets. Since Gabe Davis came here for a visit, I am 99.99% sure they are going to sign him unless Pittsburgh offers something ridiculous. 

Why do you think Allen wants Gabe Davis?

[BuffaloRebound]

If Gabe will only making the vet minimum since Jags are still paying him $11m this year, it’s a no brainer.  If you can trade Moore or Samuel or both, then you can sign or trade for a vet safety or DT.  

[Solomon Grundy]

3 hours ago, zow2 said:

 

The way Josh was quoted in the Buffalo News today,  glowingly talking about Gabe and their time together.,, it's clear Josh loves the guy.    

He spoke glowingly about Diggs after the trade too...

[Matt_In_NH]

2 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

At best a 7th, doubt they could get that even 

It’s moving cap it’s not about picks so much.  

[RoscoeParrish]

18 hours ago, NoSaint said:

I don’t think Josh had great chemistry with him. 
 

so many of Josh’s negative plays were Gabe.

Allen didn’t recognize that either

[JerseyBills]

17 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

It’s moving cap it’s not about picks so much.  

his cap hit is nothing though ... 

[Special K]

4 hours ago, zow2 said:

 

The way Josh was quoted in the Buffalo News today,  glowingly talking about Gabe and their time together.,, it's clear Josh loves the guy.    

 

I'd bet Gabe would be smart enough to let Josh win that "Bibbity bopbitty boop" game on Hard Knocks last night.....

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Thanks. I enjoy your posts too.

The quote of mine you bolded specifically began with the words "purely in terms of camp and preseason contributions". 

I do not dispute Moore's past production in this league. That said, we saw with Marquz Valdes Scantling that that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Apparently Moore is healthy and running with the 1s as Shakir's de facto slot backup right now. If that continues, his roster spot is probably safer than I give it credit for. But again, my comments were based only on the fact that I have yet to hear of a single big or notable play that Moore has made all training camp or preseason. Purely in terms of what he's done HERE, he seems to be closer to Hamler/Virgil than Coleman/Shavers in terms of noteworthy plays.

 

I've assumed that Moore has been outplaying Hamler/Virgil in camp simply because he was listed ahead of them earlier this year when the Bills posted a depth chart.  However, there is no depth chart on the Bills website now.  

 

The difference between a JAG like Moore and a PS player is often thin.  It's not inconceivable that Hamler and/or Virgil are outplaying him.  I haven't seen any good comprehensive assessments of how the WRs have been performing throughout camp, just a few anecdotal reports here and there.

I do worry that Keon is the only true X receiver projected to make the 53.  There's an argument to keep Shavers over Moore.  Then again, the Redskins did okay with the Smurfs years ago.  

 

If we do keep Moore, and I think we will, let's all hope he pans out better than MVS!  And that Beane finds a stud wideout in the draft next year if Keon and Palmer don't have revelatory seasons.  

 

 

 

[Logic]

9 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

I do worry that Keon is the only true X receiver projected to make the 53.  There's an argument to keep Shavers over Moore.  Then again, the Redskins did okay with the Smurfs years ago.  

 

Hearing Allen say that the Bills offense is gonna move Keon all over the field -- which they absolutely should do, because his best shot at consistent productivity may come with at least a part time deployment as a big slot -- makes me like the idea of Gabe Davis even more. 

For one thing, lining Davis up at X sometimes would allow Coleman the flexibility to move around the formation. For another thing, a Coleman/Davis duo at WR should, theoretically, be a nasty run blocking pairing, which we know is important to Brady and McDermott.

[Goin Breakdown]

1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said:

He spoke glowingly about Diggs after the trade too...

Not sure Diggs was at the wedding tho Gabe's got that going for him. 

[Scott7975]

No thanks. The guy is overrated based off one playoff game that no one covered him. Josh is at his worst when Gabe is on the field. The dude cant run the full route tree. The dude cant run the routes he does run correctly. The dude drops 50% of the passes.

[3rdand12]

21 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

It doesn't mystify me in the slightest.

 

Mack Hollins was never supposed to be relied on as heavily as he was. It was just a matter of Keon Coleman not being ready for primetime out of the gate, Keon dealing with injuries, and Curtis Samuel being hampered for the majority of the year with injuries. And ultimately, his even being here had to do with what we could afford at the time.

 

Hollins was always brought in to be mainly a Blocker and Special Teams ace. He wasn't someone in their long term plans as a WR. Extenuating circumstances and him overachieving led to a bigger role and more production than expected. 

 

Even then, his abilities and what he did last season are greatly exaggerated by Bills fans. In 20 games and 15 of those him starting, he put up 482 yards and 6 TD's. That's a lot more than was expected of him. But that's still not great numbers. If you can do better than that (and we could this offseason), you absolutely should.

 

When the time came that we could do more at the position, you want to have someone more talented there than Mack Hollins playing as much as he was. And as likeable as Hollins is as a character, Josh Palmer is world's more talented as a WR. 

 

We signed Mack Hollins to a 1 year 2.6m contract with 1.1m guaranteed. The Patriots signed him to a 2 year 8.4m contract with 3.5m guaranteed. That's a massive pay raise and a longer term contract. And that kind of contract means a decent role in the WR room. He may even start opposite Diggs.

 

But we were already looking to upgrade from him. If Mack wanted to sign on for another 1 year deal with a slight pay increase and a role more in line with our original plans where he's not used as much as a WR, I'm sure they'd have brought him back. We were never going to match the kind of money and the kind of role NE was offering. And that was the right call for both Mack and the Bills. 

Wow.

To counter point.

 Did Bills upgrade ?

They are looking at Gabe Davis.

Samuel is injured and we are stuck with him 

 Keon is our Draft pick and no way we were looking to supersede him with Hollins so thats not a valid comparison imho

It's the guys at the bottom who Hollins compared to.

Josh Palmer Should be a much better player and glad Bills brought him on !

 But don't discount 6 tds and 482 yard (thanks for those #s )

Who , at the bottom is going to get those yards Mack got ? And he made some very sweet catches. I suggested he and Josh had a solid connection.

So we do agree on a few points for sure. Bills needed to upgrade. And he was going to get a bit more scratch on his next contract. (he earned it)

But have we gotten better ?

I am honestly not sure. 

 And that is why it is a mystery why we lost a "Bird in the Hand "

 Thanks as always 19 👍

22 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

From what I've heard any team that signs him now would have to put him on IR right away... Physically he isn't ready yet. If he wants to hang out in Buffalo and use our renowned training facilities and be there as our break glass in case of emergency option, I'd have no problem with that.

Thats not a bad plan really .

[3rdand12]

8 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

800k. WR 4/5. One year. 

 

6 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

A poor man’s Mack? Hollins has gone over 400 yards once in his career. Has also never had more than 5 rec TDs which was last year. Gabe’s numbers dwarf his and it’s not even close. 
 

edit: also wanted add that Gabe’s 8/201/4TD against KC was the greatest and most clutch showing I’ve ever seen in the playoffs. But it’s taken away from him because the Bills lost. 

He went over 400 with Josh.

Gabe's good #s were with Josh. and he had a few huge games for us , no question

But he fell of the cliff his last season here. And I was a fan !

and he is still injured.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

 

He went over 400 with Josh.

Gabe's good #s were with Josh. and he had a few huge games for us , no question

But he fell of the cliff his last season here. And I was a fan !

and he is still injured.

We aren’t asking to be a #2 like last time. 

[In Summary]

On 8/19/2025 at 9:41 AM, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Me too.  Shavers looks to be reliable. 

Asking seriously here, do you think Shavers has both better separation and hands?

Edited Wednesday at 11:43 PM by In Summary

[Maine-iac]

I'd take Davis as the 3rd or 4th guy on the outside over guys we've had in the past like Sherfield or Deonte Harty.  I don't mind Samuel but the guy is never on the field so if Davis is healthy coming in when option 1, 2, and 3 are not available you could do a lot worse.  I also think the way we run the offense now takes the pressure Allen to force passes outside and that's good for everyone as well.

[GASabresIUFan]

Our top 3 receivers are Palmer, Shakir (slot) and Coleman.  

 

The question is who are their backups.  Moore and Samuel are Shakir's backups. Neither has much utility as a primary boundary receiver if Palmer or Coleman are injured.  That leaves Shenault and Shavers as the backups.  So would you rather have Gabe Davis as the primary boundary backup or Shavers and/or Shenault.  To me the answer is easy.  I'd rather have Davis.   

[BillsFanForever19]

6 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

Wow.

To counter point.

 Did Bills upgrade ?

 

Yes.

 

Mack Hollins' replacement is Josh Palmer. If he stays healthy and gets 15 starts and plays 20 games as Mack did, I'm willing to guarantee that he'll easily have more production than 482 yards. 

 

Beyond that, Palmer is a much better WR in every way. 

 

6 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

It's the guys at the bottom who Hollins compared to.

 

That's the crux of it.

 

He wasn't going to supercede Shakir, Coleman, Palmer, or a healthy Samuel (with what we're paying him). And we're not going to pay a 2 year 8.4m contract with 3.5 guaranteed for WR5. 

 

For that role, we signed Elijah Moore to a 1 year deal worth 3.5m with 2.5m guaranteed. Moore has elite speed and more production in 4 years than Hollins has in 8. And if we could get out from under the contracts we have for Samuel (who was never supposed to be a 4th WR) and Moore, I think we would. It's likely the bottom of the WR roster gig will be held by Shavers, being paid the bare minimum.

 

Also, Free Agency isn't a one way street. We can't *force* him to come back. It's not just the Bills who decide whether Hollins stays or doesn't - it's Mack himself and his agents. Who he reportedly told to "find him the best opportunity" and they came back saying New England. Even if we did decide to match the money (which we wouldn't) we'd also have to match the opportunity for playing time, which in New England, isn't the bottom of the WR roster like you said you were comparing him to here.

 

Mack himself wouldn't (and didn't) turn down the opportunity for the kind of playing time he has in New England (where he could very well end up starting) to be a 4th (at best) or 5th WR with us. Like I said, it didn't make sense from our side to match the money and opportunity New England was offering. And at the same time, it didn't make sense from Mack's side to turn down the money and opportunity New England was offering.

 

It's really as simple as that.

Edited Thursday at 03:42 AM by BillsFanForever19

[DCofNC]

39 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Our top 3 receivers are Palmer, Shakir (slot) and Coleman.  

 

The question is who are their backups.  Moore and Samuel are Shakir's backups. Neither has much utility as a primary boundary receiver if Palmer or Coleman are injured.  That leaves Shenault and Shavers as the backups.  So would you rather have Gabe Davis as the primary boundary backup or Shavers and/or Shenault.  To me the answer is easy.  I'd rather have Davis.   

Call me nuts, I’d take Shavers.   The only time Davis looks good is when Josh is on the run and he seems to find a spot for Josh to throw to.  That much, he’s amazing, pretty much everything else, he’s pretty mediocre.  It’s not his fault he got asked to be more than he is here.  Great for him, he got paid for it.   As a #4 or 5 he’s good, but I’d swing for the younger guy with better hands.