Cook signed👀 - 4 / 48 / 30 mil guaranteed

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, Delete_Delete_Delete said:

Strawman much? I may have gotten side tracked a bit, but all I said was I don’t think Beane has done enough to draft playmakers around Josh. I’m not even sure how I got off on that tangent, ADHD is a helluva thing, but my entire point was while I’m happy he resigned Cook, it’d be nice to have more playmakers to resign, but there isn’t bc he doesn’t draft them, and he’s missed some golden opportunities, IMO.

 

Nowhere did I say failure, I even used the phrase “top tier GM”. 
 

Apparently we just need 20+ pages of “Way to go Beane!”…

 

No, but there is a real desire amongst some here to blow the team up because they think whatever we do next will automatically be better.

Edited Thursday at 01:10 AM by PromoTheRobot

[Delete_Delete_Delete]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Ok so how did a thread on signing Cook turn into a turd session about pissing and moaning over WR's?  

 

I don't know whats worse - this being discussed in a thread about Cook or your rant that it seems WR's can only be drafted despite the fact we traded for Diggs who was a top 5 WR for most of Allens first 4 years of his prime.  

Sorry, I don’t live around here, and didn’t realize there were hard and fast rules. Clearly it’s your panties wadded up in those cheeks…

 

That trade for Diggs was a good thing in hindsight? You’d rather have a few good years of Diggs at top dollar than the pick that was ultimately Justin Jefferson for the entirety of his prime? Shouldn’t we be able to trust that if a Beane is the wizard everybody you say he is, he would’ve surely drafted Jefferson in that spot, right?

 

Didn’t realize it was a crime to get sidetracked a bit and deviate from the riveting discussion of “Go Bills!” And “ Nice, great deal!”. ADHD happens, if you get that butthurt about it, gloss over to next “In McBeane We Trust” post number #5437…

FTR, I hope Coleman goes for 1500 and 12 TDs and makes me look like an absolute clown.

 

”Go Bills”

Edited Wednesday at 11:02 PM by Delete_Delete_Delete

[Bockeye]

It appears there were three camps:

1.  Make him play his last year under contract.  Let him walk.  Plug in a new RB as they are easily and cheaply obtained.

2.  $15M/year is way too much.  If they come up with a reasonable deal, let’s do it.  Cook is a difference maker. 

3.  Pay the man. Give him the $15M and make him happy, he’s worth it.

 

I believe a very large percentage of Bills fans fall into camp #2.  That’s where I fall and I’m happy with the deal they signed him to.  

 

It’s all the people in Camp #1 grumbling at the moment. 

 

Go Bills!

 

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, Delete_Delete_Delete said:

Beane would trade Kincaid and Coleman for BTJ faster than you can say Orenthal James Simpson. 

I would to.  Not sure what that has to do with the question I had given my opinion on

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, chris heff said:

It was the most innocuous hold in/out ever.

I don’t think it would have been something that moved the needle for almost any other fan base. There’s such fervor here for this team at this time. Allen is so good and in his prime and we have been so close for 5 years now, people don’t want to see anything derail a potential SB run. 

[Alphadawg7]

26 minutes ago, Delete_Delete_Delete said:

Sorry, I don’t live around here, and didn’t realize there were hard and fast rules. Clearly it’s your panties wadded up in those cheeks…

 

That trade for Diggs was a good thing in hindsight? You’d rather have a few good years of Diggs at top dollar than the pick that was ultimately Justin Jefferson for the entirety of his prime? Shouldn’t we be able to trust that if a Beane is the wizard everybody you say he is, he would’ve surely drafted Jefferson in that spot, right?

 

Didn’t realize it was a crime to get sidetracked a bit and deviate from the riveting discussion of “Go Bills!” And “ Nice, great deal!”. ADHD happens, if you get that butthurt about it, gloss over to next “In McBeane We Trust” post number #5437…

FTR, I hope Coleman goes for 1500 and 12 TDs and makes me look like an absolute clown.

 

”Go Bills”

 

So you expect Beane to see the future?  If people knew the future do you think Jefferson would have been the 4th WR taken in that draft or would he gone first instead of Henry Ruggs?  Maybe we should slam every GM who passed on Jefferson before the Vikings took him too because they all should have known a guy who played a lot of slot in college was going to be the best 1 or 2 WR's in football.  

 

Sorry, the hindsight stuff is a waste of time and not based in reality.  

[MarkyMannn]

2 hours ago, Bruffalo said:

"Walter Cherepinsky of WalterFootball" - 🙄 Come on now.

 

I've never heard of this guy. Looking him up, he seems to be a fantasy football guy, and not an analyst. He also apparently said that women shouldn't be allowed to vote. Sounds like a guy who's really got it all figured out.

Been around some 25 years. Way back had good magazines on team and player analysis. Was always on the mag racks at stores like Wegmans

[blacklabel]

The same people complaining about the deal are the same ones that'll cry endlessly that this team "laCKs pLaYmAKeRs!" He's a playmaker, you retain guys like that. 

[HOUSE]

Anything over 47 mil is to much

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, TBBills Fan said:

I noticed that as well. 

 

Translation.. Beane- I can't move my number if you aren't out there. 

So in practice his whole mindset was pry don’t get injured and you make $30m dollars.  Lol.  Biggest practice of his life.

[TBBills Fan]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

So in practice his whole mindset was pry don’t get injured and you make $30m dollars.  Lol.  Biggest practice of his life.

Hahha good point. 

[Mr. WEO]

reset the market?

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

No, but there is a real desire amongst some here to blow the team up because they think whatever we do next week automatically be better.

 

They're wrong. But the other side is wrong too.

 

We can't just rely on Drafting well and hoping the low to mid tier FA's and FA's coming off injuries or down years will out perform the contracts we signed them to every year.

 

Every year we approach the off-season and people are clamoring for difference makers. And every year we bring in the Josh Palmer and Elijah Moore's of the world - while most of our cap is tied up on retaining everyone.

 

When I would discuss the issue of the cap for a major move in terms of the big 5 players that were coming up to be renewed, I'd often hear "let em all walk if you have to". I would say Beane's not going to do that and we shouldn't do that. But even I didn't foresee or advocate for retaining *ALL* 5 of them. 

 

That said, James Cook was one of the 3 players I would have retained. I think what he brings isn't as easily replaced as "just grab another RB". We spent years Drafting, signing, and trading for RB's that left us with a subpar Running game.

 

But I am frustrated that the mantra of "Draft, Develop, and Retain" seems to be an all consuming thing. Especially when a fair number of Draft Picks at the top lately aren't working out and that the core team he's hell bent on retaining hasn't been enough on it's own to get us over the hump.

Edited Thursday at 12:49 AM by BillsFanForever19

[NoName]

7 hours ago, JP51 said:

I am with you here

Might be easiest to keep Edwards since no one talks about him.

[PrimeTime101]

44 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Anything over 47 mil is to much

[PromoTheRobot]

46 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

They're wrong. But the other side is wrong too.

 

We can't just rely on Drafting well and hoping the low to mid tier FA's and FA's coming off injuries or down years will out perform the contracts we signed them to every year.

 

Every year we approach the off-season and people are clamoring for difference makers. And every year we bring in the Josh Palmer and Elijah Moore's of the world - while most of our cap is tied up on retaining everyone.

 

When I would discuss the issue of the cap for a major move in terms of the big 5 players that were coming up to be renewed, I'd often hear "let em all walk if you have to". I would say Beane's not going to do that and we shouldn't do that. But even I didn't foresee or advocate for retaining *ALL* 5 of them. 

 

That said, James Cook was one of the 3 players I would have retained. I think what he brings isn't as easily replaced as "just grab another RB". We spent years Drafting, signing, and trading for RB's that left us with a subpar Running game.

 

But I am frustrated that the mantra of "Draft, Develop, and Retain" seems to be an all consuming thing. Especially when a fair number of Draft Picks at the top lately aren't working out and that the core team he's hell bent on retaining hasn't been enough on it's own to get us over the hump.

 

We kept the offense that was 2nd in scoring intact, and we put all our draft eggs into the defense that needs to be better. Where's the problem other than a lack of "names?"

[HappyDays]

5 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

I thought Coleman was having a great camp?  Has something changed?

 

I'll tell you what hasn't changed, a select few fans can't even conceive of a player improving after year one. As if it's never happened in the history of the NFL. I saw some mind boggling takes on here that Elijah Moore, a former draft bust playing for his 3rd team in 5 years, was definitively a better WR than Coleman...

 

Not that I'm surprised. Some people just can't let their draft takes go. There were fans declaring Josh Allen a bust after year one and some still saying it after year two. Coleman has a lot to prove but anyone writing him off after last year is just being ridiculous, especially after the training camp he just had.

 

Edited Thursday at 01:24 AM by HappyDays

[BillsFanForever19]

26 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

We kept the offense that was 2nd in scoring intact, and we put all our draft eggs into the defense that needs to be better. Where's the problem other than a lack of "names?"

 

The problem is you need to hit on those guys. The HOPE is that your Picks will be great. But to rely on them to take you over the hump is a big ask. 

 

Seldom do we take a guy in the first few Rounds that we don't feel good about as prospects, just as we feel good about Hairston (who's already hurt and who will miss Rookie Training Camp and Pre-Season, an integral part of Rookie development), T.J. Sanders, and Landon Jackson (who looked not ready for Primetime in Pre-Season Week 1).

 

But we still have had misses, slow development, and injuries there over the past few years that have kept us from getting us to the Promised Land.

 

You can disparagingly drop "names" to discount the importance of known commodities. But they're names for a reason. We know they're difference makers. With the current format that Beane applies to, it's maintain the core that hasn't gotten us there and relying on unsung FA's and lottery ticket Draft Picks.

 

And again, I'm not advocating "blow it all up". But I do believe he goes way too hard on the "Draft, Develop, Retain" mantra. There's some players that we've delegated a fair amount of cap space to that could have been moved on from.

Edited Thursday at 01:40 AM by BillsFanForever19

[Delete_Delete_Delete]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

So you expect Beane to see the future?  If people knew the future do you think Jefferson would have been the 4th WR taken in that draft or would he gone first instead of Henry Ruggs?  Maybe we should slam every GM who passed on Jefferson before the Vikings took him too because they all should have known a guy who played a lot of slot in college was going to be the best 1 or 2 WR's in football.  

 

Sorry, the hindsight stuff is a waste of time and not based in reality.  

So you’re only allowed to look at the successes and not the misses, got it…

 

I expect Beane’s scouting department to do a better job of not blowing high end draft capital on a regular basis. Or we can keep pretending that this team contends for anything whatsoever as it’s currently built without the generational unicorn that is Josh Allen under center… it’s a decently built team with a decent head coach and arguably the greatest QB ever to take the field. If Beane and McDermott landed Baker or Darnold instead of backing into Josh are they even in Buffalo right now?

 

Point is I’m not going to blow smoke like Brandon Beane can’t frickin miss when really the only bullseye has been Josh Allen, and a kudos on building up the OL… But am I wrong expect him to hit some drafts out of the park every now and again? Rather than resting his laurels on the fact that he’s the guy who drafted Josh Allen. I’m supposed to sit here and make a big deal bc the guy extended a running back? He has Josh Allen and zero Super Bowl appearances at this juncture in his tenure with the Buffalo Bills, by my measuring stick that’s underperforming when we all know who and what we have in 17.

[Since1981]

Lack of snap percent….

But, I hate that he is out on 3rd. Talk about an offensive “tendency” issue!!