Training Camp 8/1 - Return of the Blue and Red

[Richard Noggin]

3 hours ago, Desert Bills Fan said:

Some good notes and videos here:

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/buffalo-bills-blue-red-game-221632238.html
 

Why are the Bills so unwilling to give the fans what they really want: blue jerseys over white pants with red helmets? It's their most glorious and relevant uni combo, bar none. The all-whites with red helmets are also rad, but not necessarily better than the ALL-whites (with white helmets). 

 

Red helmets. Red end zones. NOT red jerseys. 

[machine gun kelly]

4 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

He's averaged 50 catches and about 530 yards with terrible QBs throwing him the ball and has missed some games in there as well. 

 

Full season averages would be about 55 catches and 600 yards. Sure, not elite production but not a bum either. 

 

There are far worse WRs drafted higher than him since he came out.

I’m tabling judgment.  He may shine under Josh, or may be a bust.  IDK and I don’t think anyone else does either as he’s had bums throwing to him.

[Chandler#81]

10 hours ago, Ben said:

Bad drop by keon on  a 20 yarder from trubiski

I fear we’ll see this post by many throughout the season.. 😖

[Ralonzo]

2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

I fear we’ll see this post by many throughout the season.. 😖

 

If Trubisky is throwing anything to anyone throughout the season I'm gonna take up sculpture on Sundays.

[Augie]

2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

I fear we’ll see this post by many throughout the season.. 😖

 

Maybe on occasion, when we have a 3 score lead in the 4th quarter.  I can live with that.  

[Since1981]

6 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:

the whole blue-red thing as a whole is a lil overrated IMO

Yes. Not worth traffic to see a walkthru. If I had young kids that needed proper mafia brainwashing for dirt cheap—-a good venue.
A “bills carnival” but a waste of time otherwise. 

[eball]

42 minutes ago, Since1981 said:

Yes. Not worth traffic to see a walkthru. If I had young kids that needed proper mafia brainwashing for dirt cheap—-a good venue.
A “bills carnival” but a waste of time otherwise. 

And I think that’s exactly what it is and what the Bills intend it to be. For the fans it’s a “get the kids out, see your heroes circling the venue tossing balls and signing autographs” event. For the team it’s a break for the players and a chance for the young guys to experience the stadium. 
 

No need to make it more than what it is. 
 

[Don Otreply]

11 hours ago, NickelCity said:

 

Wasn't Moore injured during that? I thought he was really standing out at camp, then had a miscommunication with Josh right before sitting out with leg soreness. 

You are correct, 👍 

[Bills!Win!]

By the way. Record breaking crowd for the practice last night. Everyone you saw there in the pictures that sat in the first row got there about 3 hours early. Myself included. Worth the wait 

[Dan]

7 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

Why are the Bills so unwilling to give the fans what they really want: blue jerseys over white pants with red helmets? It's their most glorious and relevant uni combo, bar none. The all-whites with red helmets are also rad, but not necessarily better than the ALL-whites (with white helmets). 

 

Red helmets. Red end zones. NOT red jerseys. 

Very much agree with you. However in this instance, I imagine the red jersey was a red “no contact” jersey for practice. 

[Chandler#81]

I get all the emoji grief I’m getting for my comments on Coleman. But facts are facts. He’s unreliable, runs weak routes and has just marginal speed. It’s not his eyes nor his hands. It’s lack of concentration. I don’t believe we can live with this. He has GOT to be better.

[Johnnycage46]

1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said:

I get all the emoji grief I’m getting for my comments on Coleman. But facts are facts. He’s unreliable, runs weak routes and has just marginal speed. It’s not his eyes nor his hands. It’s lack of concentration. I don’t believe we can live with this. He has GOT to be better.

Agreed. And his "selling point" was his body control and hands. Without elite speed or top tier route running, his hands better be sticky.

[Simon]

2 hours ago, Ralonzo said:

 

If Trubisky is throwing anything to anyone throughout the season I'm gonna take up sculpture on Sundays.

 

[eball]

32 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

I get all the emoji grief I’m getting for my comments on Coleman. But facts are facts. He’s unreliable, runs weak routes and has just marginal speed. It’s not his eyes nor his hands. It’s lack of concentration. I don’t believe we can live with this. He has GOT to be better.

I think you’re being harsh on the kid - and he IS still a kid. Not as young as Tremaine Edmunds, but a kid. He has exhibited a tremendous attitude and seems to be willing to work. And his speed shows when the ball is in his hands, much like Shakir. 
 

Maybe you don’t like his personality and goofiness in interviews and are interpreting that to mean he isn’t serious? I think that would be a mistake. 
 

[BillsFan130]

Just listened to Joe Marino and he said the bills are using a lot of 5 man pressures.

 

Love to hear that, as I think most of us are sick of the bills playing passive on defence

[folz]

16 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Moore is a draft bust on his 3rd team in 5 seasons. He was held out for a week with injuries and last week was yelled at by Josh Allen for running the wrong route. I never understood the hype with him. As the 4th/5th WR on our depth chart sure I'm fine with that.

 

Coleman on the other hand has pretty clearly been the #1 pass catcher throughout camp. He needs to clean up some focus drops and keep building consistency. Everything is moving in a positive direction though. If you need to wait to see it in real games I respect that.

 

 

I have been on the Coleman train all off-season, expecting him to have a very nice sophomore year.

 

 

As to Moore, I would agree that he hasn't reached his draft status, but I would hardly call him a bust yet. He's only 25 years old, going into his 5th year. And I know it has been repeated often, but his first two teams are probably two of the worst run organizations in the league and both with QB issues during Moore's tenure. Let's look at the QBs:

 

Player (number of games played with Moore---any game time, not just starts):

Zach Wilson (22 games)

Dorian Thompson Robinson (15 games)

DeShaun Watson (13 games)

Joe Flacco (12 games)

Jameis Winston (12 games)

Mike White (8 games)

P.J. Walker (6 games)

Josh Johnson (3 games)

Chris Steveler (2 games)

Jeff Driscoll (1 game)

Billy Zappe (1 game)

 

So, not only are there no good QBs on that list (old Flacco doesn't count), but in 68 regular season games played, Moore has had 11 different QBs throwing the ball to him. That is like a different QB every 6 games. So, he not only had bad QB play, but there was never any consistency on who was throwing the ball to him. We hear all of the time that it takes time for QBs and WRs to get on the same page. How was he ever able to do that? Plus, both of those offenses overall were terrible and didn't move the ball or score well (those 4 offenses ranked: 26th, 25th, 16th, and 28th).  And yes, two different teams and two different OCs in 4 years. Tough to fully succeed under those circumstances, I would think. Doesn't mean he will now, but I'm definitely not going to write him off so easily.

 

Despite all of that, he has 2,233 yards and 10 TDs in 4 years...or approx. 558 yards and 3 TDs per season over that stretch. Again, not great, but also not a bust. I don't expect him to all of a sudden become an All-Pro, or to even be starting, but I'm keeping an open mind and hoping for him to up his game with Josh at QB. Even if he is only WR 5 or whatever...I think he can help the team this year.

 

[Edited to include Jameis Winston and Bally Zappe, which I originally, mistakenly, left off.]

 

Edited Saturday at 04:43 PM by folz

[SoonerBillsFan]

28 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

He is gonna need a lot of mashed potatoes. 

[NORWOODS FOOT]

9 minutes ago, folz said:

 

I have been on the Coleman train all off-season, expecting him to have a very nice sophomore year.

 

 

As to Moore, I would agree that he hasn't reached his draft status, but I would hardly call him a bust yet. He's only 25 years old, going into his 5th year. And I know it has been repeated often, but his first two teams are probably two of the worst run organizations in the league and both with QB issues during Moore's tenure. Let's look at the QBs:

 

Player (number of games played with Moore---any game time, not just starts):

Zach Wilson (22 games)

Dorian Thompson Robinson (15 games)

DeShaun Watson (13 games)

Joe Flacco (12 games)

Mike White (8 games)

P.J. Walker (6 games)

Josh Johnson (3 games)

Chris Steveler (2 games)

Jeff Driscoll (1 game)

 

So, not only are there no good QBs on that list (old Flacco doesn't count), but in 68 regular season games played, Moore has had 9 different QBs throwing the ball to him. That is like a different QB every 7-8 games. So, he not only had bad QB play, but there was never any consistency on who was throwing the ball to him. We hear all of the time that it takes time for QBs and WRs to get on the same page. How was he ever able to do that? Plus, both of those offenses overall were terrible and didn't move the ball or score well (those 4 offenses ranked: 26th, 25th, 16th, and 28th).  And yes, two different teams and two different OCs in 4 years. Tough to fully succeed under those circumstances, I would think. Doesn't mean he will now, but I'm definitely not going to write him off so easily.

 

Despite all of that, he has 2,233 yards and 10 TDs in 4 years...or approx. 558 yards and 3 TDs per season over that stretch. Again, not great, but also not a bust. I don't expect him to all of a sudden become an All-Pro, or to even be starting, but I'm keeping an open mind and hoping for him to up his game with Josh at QB. Even if he is only WR 5 or whatever...I think he can help the team this year.

I liked him coming out of college - compact / explosive player.

 

He’s been running in sand with the QBs he has had.

 

If he makes the team and gets significant snaps with Allen as his QB, I think this will be a far better measure of who he can be as a player in this league. Looking forward to finding out.

Edited Saturday at 03:28 PM by NORWOODS FOOT

[SirAndrew]

1 hour ago, Johnnycage46 said:

Agreed. And his "selling point" was his body control and hands. Without elite speed or top tier route running, his hands better be sticky.

Coleman can make elite plays, but one dropped ball for every jump ball win isn’t what you need. Consistent hands with routine play ability is more valuable than a few big plays. If you get the big plays along with reliability, that’s what makes a receiver elite. 

[Brand J]

I think it was under “sexy” Rexy that the team actually scrimmaged in these night practices, no?