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1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

I think you implied the problem fans have with Coleman in your last sentence there.  "He has a lot of room to grow and become a really good football player".  The problem fans have, is that being drafted with the Bills first pick, fans expected him to walk in and ALREADY BE a really good football player.

 

Instead, Coleman fits Beane's "type" for drafting at the end of the 1st round exactly - an athletic, high ceiling, low floor guy with a world of potential but also a lot of growth needed to realize it.  

That's what you get at the bottom of the 1st...

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8 minutes ago, MJS said:

That's what you get at the bottom of the 1st...

And why is so much harder to pick after say ... 20. Depending on position to varying degrees

 

btw His 3 pointer was a flat missile. poor rotation on the ball. all effort and no finesse

Needs to clean that up

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Posted
2 hours ago, MJS said:

That's what you get at the bottom of the 1st...

 

Not necessarily - the other strategy is to try to draft the high floor, low ceiling guy less likely to shine but less likely to flop, either

Posted
6 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Did you watch the video of Keon  playing basketball?  Josh Allen does play basketball but comparing his play to Keon's, again as I have already stated is an absurd reach.  And you comments that Allen could hurt his back on a swing or tear an ACL playing softball, all I can say is we are clearly not going to agree on this.  No I dont want them in bubble wrap just use some common sense.  This is why a lot of teams in their contracts explicitly detail what the players can not participate in.

 

"And your comments that Allen could hurt his back on a swing or tear an ACL playing softball."

 

Heck...Josh Allen could have hurt his back on his honeymoon escapades with that new bride of his. 😀

 

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Posted
11 hours ago, T.E. said:

Suffering an injury while doing a bunch of windmill dunks in a charity basketball game would be right on brand for him. They were good dunks, though, I have to admit.

 

 

 

"It would be right on brand" for him to be injured in a basketball game despite a complete lack of reports of him being injured off the football field, that I can find.

 

And he's "a bit of a space cadet."

 

To quote Sesame Street, "one of these things is not like the others." You didn't back that up well.

Posted
14 hours ago, Augie said:

It was a charity basketball event. Other Bills were playing basketball too. Maybe the problem is that Keon is too athletic? Maybe if he played basketball without jumping so high? 🤷‍♂️

And given Keon's basketball background, if he did not choose to play, what would the howls be then?  Too soft, aloof, not a team player?  

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17 hours ago, Cray51 said:

I have family in the NFL world and let me tell you - playing basketball in a charity game is one of the safer things these guys do.  There is a higher chance of an injury lifting weights than they do dunking a basketball.

 

These are testosterone fueled animals, they are crazy in the offseason.  This stuff is much safer than letting these guys out on their own accord lol


I think the average fan forgets this.  We are talking about world class athletes, in their prime physical condition, at their absolute dumbest time of their lives.  They do not simply work out and study film all off season.  
 

Is there risk in basketball? Yep.  However, I’d be far more concerned about 100 other activities I can think of off the top of my head.  

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17 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

And why is so much harder to pick after say ... 20. Depending on position to varying degrees

 

btw His 3 pointer was a flat missile. poor rotation on the ball. all effort and no finesse

Needs to clean that up

 

"I'm closer to LeBron than you are to me"

 

It's wild when you encounter some of these guys who are meh at pro/big time college sports in the wild. 

 

Like Keon is likely the best guy at like 95% of courts he steps on by a wide margin on ut isn't that good compared to the guys we watch on TV.

 

I've had a couple buddies skate with AHL players who've never put on a sweater for an NHL team and they say it's borderline disrespectful how much better they are. Lol

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4 hours ago, Mango said:

 

"I'm closer to LeBron than you are to me"

 

It's wild when you encounter some of these guys who are meh at pro/big time college sports in the wild. 

 

Like Keon is likely the best guy at like 95% of courts he steps on by a wide margin on ut isn't that good compared to the guys we watch on TV.

 

I've had a couple buddies skate with AHL players who've never put on a sweater for an NHL team and they say it's borderline disrespectful how much better they are. Lol

 

Golf is a great example of that. Everyone knows that guy with a two handicap who is so amazing at TopGolf. “It just sounds different!”  

 

That guy can’t even begin to compete for the smallest tours, much less play with the big boys. I used to live on a USGA tournament course, and I’d hear people brag about how they shot an 82, so they are only a few strokes off the pros. I would inform them that the pros tee off from across that road back there. 

 

Get a grip. 

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4 hours ago, Mango said:

 

"I'm closer to LeBron than you are to me"

 

It's wild when you encounter some of these guys who are meh at pro/big time college sports in the wild. 

 

Like Keon is likely the best guy at like 95% of courts he steps on by a wide margin on ut isn't that good compared to the guys we watch on TV.

 

I've had a couple buddies skate with AHL players who've never put on a sweater for an NHL team and they say it's borderline disrespectful how much better they are. Lol

I love when people say they could complete a pass in an NFL game. No, you couldn't. Peterman is the worst QB ever and he'd make you look like a toddler throwing a pass

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Posted
20 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

 

 

I watch a little golf, and a lot of the Masters, but that was new to me.  YIKES!  It’s like Joe Thiesmann  just got up and walked away. Wait! Are you the real Gumby? 

 

 

Side note, but I think that was the hole we sat at waiting to find my BIL. No cell phones inside, and we got our plans crossed. Never found him until we had both left for the day. Bucket list thing, it’s unimaginable how severe the terrain is. TV doesn’t capture that, but the birds are chirping, so…. 

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21 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Not necessarily - the other strategy is to try to draft the high floor, low ceiling guy less likely to shine but less likely to flop, either

Trying to consider how Beane has thought and shifted over the years. I imagine they both play a role when choosing depending on position and need.

Need ?  you take the high Floor and stay risk adverse I might imagine.

Hairston is high ceiling ??

Thoughts

5 hours ago, Mango said:

 

"I'm closer to LeBron than you are to me"

 

It's wild when you encounter some of these guys who are meh at pro/big time college sports in the wild. 

 

Like Keon is likely the best guy at like 95% of courts he steps on by a wide margin on ut isn't that good compared to the guys we watch on TV.

 

I've had a couple buddies skate with AHL players who've never put on a sweater for an NHL team and they say it's borderline disrespectful how much better they are. Lol

Context and perspective matter.

At my ceiling , I am and old arm chair PS player

10 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

well I guess Coleman is good at basketball.  yawn

It's not a bad talent , basketball to football that has some skill crossover.  ( see what I did there ?  lol )

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Lots of NFL players came up playing B ball.  Some even put in substantial minutes (Coleman never saw the court).  It's hard to tell how good he is in this charity clip as no one is playing any defense--just watching him dunk.  He has a nice stroke on the long shot for sure though.

 

Randy Moss is probably the one of the few NFL players who could have made a career as a starter in the NBA. Greatest athlete ever to play in the NFL.

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