Ross Tucker interview of Michael Hoecht

[WotAGuy]

That’s right, I’m on PEDs.
I’ve been juicing with the Big V. 
Fight me. 

[Bill4Bills]

3 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

I remember in high school trying desperately to gain weight for baseball.  I worked my tail off.  I just could not gained weight.  I was way too  active.  
 

I went to my doctor because my parents made me, to see which weight gain supplement and creatine he would recommend to help me add weight with my lifting routine.  He was a younger doctor and a former college athlete, he looked right at me and said never put that stuff in your body, ever especially the creatine.  That was that.  
 

he really didn’t appreciate my joke about buying the one called the Russian bear at GNC which was 4000 calories per shake.  That was a real product.

 

anyway, multiple high school friends took both and made huge gains.  Meanwhile my 5”10 skinny azz worked like a dog to get to 160 pounds.

 

that was a 90’s thing and the current thing is testosterone products.  Anything that advertises like four times on an hour on sports radio stations should be avoided at all costs.

 

anyway,  hoecht is just a guy and he is going to have a hard time living down the ped thing without an abnormally high productive season.

Since your doctor visit (I'm guessing some time has passed since your high school days) Creatine has a long history of solid research behind its benefits both physically and mentally, I would encourage anyone interested in their health to look into this effective and inexpensive (the monohydrate form is the one I see most often recommended) supplement.  Writing this simply so anyone considering creatine doesn't dismiss it out of hand without serious consideration.

[MikePJ76]

1 hour ago, Bill4Bills said:

Since your doctor visit (I'm guessing some time has passed since your high school days) Creatine has a long history of solid research behind its benefits both physically and mentally, I would encourage anyone interested in their health to look into this effective and inexpensive (the monohydrate form is the one I see most often recommended) supplement.  Writing this simply so anyone considering creatine doesn't dismiss it out of hand without serious consideration.

It’s was the summer of 92.  I think the stuff was brand new.  I think gnc was too.

 

those insane weight gain powders they sold were comical.

1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:

So your cautionary tale is that you didn't take it and now you're here posting on a message board instead of participating in OTAs?

I don't think that more than a very small handful of people even care right now that Hoecht got popped. I sure don't. Whether he has an all-pro season or a totally forgettable one, no one will be talking about this at the end of the season. Every pro athlete is on performance enhancing supplements of some sort. It's all just a matter of gaming specific product and biochemistry levels to not go over certain thresholds.

Yes man you nailed it.  I thought at 48 the bills were going to invite me to OTA’s this year.  
 

 

[hondo in seattle]

6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

lol real hard hitting softball session there.  Tucker asks him a single question about the PEDs:  why did you tell the Bills ahead of the signing....,when you didn't have to?

 

As they all do the kid immediately goes on to blame "someone else" for his positive test (multiple times).  Tucker just nods and smiles like a simp.  

 

Speaking of which, Ross looks to clock in at about 165lbs sitting there after he got off the juice...

 

 

Hoecht said he put his faith in someone who didn't have his best interest at heart.  What if that's a true statement?  What's the problem with articulating that?  He also said (multiple times) that it was his mistake.  

 

Without evidence to the contrary, I chose to take him at his word.  

 

I agree about Tucker, though.  He looks small.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Look, if you believe that HGH use isn't rampant in the NFL, that's fine. It obviously is and no one really talks about (players or league) because it's in no one's interest to do so. But both the league and the players need it to keep the multi-billion dollar entertainment machine up and running.

 

 

You made the mistake of getting into a real-world conversation with @MJS.    

 

Water is wet and NFL players need PED's to stay on the field.  

 

People do not want to see what the NFL looks like without them.

 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

6 hours ago, US Egg said:

Him and Bulldog both do.
 

It’s like they’re holding up a beer bottle checking to see if they need another as they speak.

And that’s a problem? 😂

[Simon]

8 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

 

Why are you dragging Dalton Kincaid into this thread?

[US Egg]

59 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

And that’s a problem? 😂

Nah, in fact wouldn’t surprise me if when Bulldog broadcasts from home, during commercial breaks he’s holding his breath. 🚬

[dave mcbride]

9 hours ago, MJS said:

If nobody talks about it, how do you know?

Keep on believin’. Also, check out @BADOLBILZ ‘s post above.

[Big Turk]

13 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

lol real hard hitting softball session there.  Tucker asks him a single question about the PEDs:  why did you tell the Bills ahead of the signing....,when you didn't have to?

 

As they all do the kid immediately goes on to blame "someone else" for his positive test (multiple times).  Tucker just nods and smiles like a simp.  

 

Speaking of which, Ross looks to clock in at about 165lbs sitting there after he got off the juice...

 

 

You don't take juice to get fat, you simply eat from the second you get up in the morning until you go to bed at night.

 

Many offensive lineman have talked about how hard it was to pack in that much food during a day and how one of the best things after retiring is that they only have to eat when hungry.

[Madbillsfan]

13 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Speaking of which, Ross looks to clock in at about 165lbs sitting there after he got off the juice...

 

 

For some reason I've always envisioned Jerry Ostrowski when I hear him talk.

 

[Since1981]

It’s like a business transaction.
use repair drugs—>earn millions.

Can’t fault them.

(have agent buy it for plausible deniability)

Edited 12 hours ago by Since1981

[Chandler#81]

18 hours ago, Fleezoid said:

Ross Tucker always sounds drunk to me. 

Well, he did live in Buffalo for a while, so..🤷‍♂️

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

19 hours ago, uninja said:

If you think that the majority of NFL players AREN't juicing then I have a bridge to sell you. It's pretty prevalent, just like it's pretty dang prevalent in the fitness community, wrestlers, actors, etc. Like we're all pretty blazé about it but it's still a federal crime to admit to doing it so no one's going to do so willingly.

 

 

You think Allen is juicing? 

[machine gun kelly]

19 hours ago, RobbRiddick said:

I used to listen to his podcast a lot years ago, haven't listened for a long time. He used to talk about trying to lose weight and also taking meds to keep his hair from falling out.

 

 

Before that,he was the host of the early morning show on NFLR from 6-8am, then with Bob Papa on the morning drive from 8-11am, until he ticked off someone on the company and was abruptly gone.  I used to call into him regularly and was always fun to talk to about Bills stuff or NFL topics.  He has lost a ton of weight.  It’s smart as 300+ lbs. is not good for someone’s health in the long run.

 

By the way, most of these guys stopped using steroids post college, and converted to GHB as it clears the system faster.  I only know this when I was competing they would urine, lie detector, and for the nationals hair test you.  They don’t do lie detector anymore.  That’s why the NFL Players Union fought hair testing for so long.

[SirAndrew]

16 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Look, if you believe that HGH use isn't rampant in the NFL, that's fine. It obviously is and no one really talks about (players or league) because it's in no one's interest to do so. But both the league and the players need it to keep the multi-billion dollar entertainment machine up and running.

Yeah, no one wants to watch a bunch of 180 pound guys and slow big guys playing pro football. Football needs guys who have the ultimate combination of speed and size.

[BobbyC81]

19 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

 

anyway,  hoecht is just a guy and he is going to have a hard time living down the ped thing without an abnormally high productive season.

And if goes legit, he may have a hard time having a high productive season.

[RobbRiddick]

1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:

Before that,he was the host of the early morning show on NFLR from 6-8am, then with Bob Papa on the morning drive from 8-11am, until he ticked off someone on the company and was abruptly gone.  I used to call into him regularly and was always fun to talk to about Bills stuff or NFL topics.  He has lost a ton of weight.  It’s smart as 300+ lbs. is not good for someone’s health in the long run.

 

By the way, most of these guys stopped using steroids post college, and converted to GHB as it clears the system faster.  I only know this when I was competing they would urine, lie detector, and for the nationals hair test you.  They don’t do lie detector anymore.  That’s why the NFL Players Union fought hair testing for so long.

I remember his Football Today podcast he did for ESPN (I think) with those two other guys. One of them was a former scout for the Browns and I actually liked listening to what he had to say. I think Tucker fell out with the third guy or maybe the producers and left to set up his own. I'm going to have to look up that former scout's name now...

 

Matt Williamson

 

[BillsShredder83]

9 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Keep on believin’. Also, check out @BADOLBILZ ‘s post above.

Same ppl that cried when they found out Hulk Hogan wasnt just eating his veggies nad saying his prayers before bed LOL

[colin]

15 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You made the mistake of getting into a real-world conversation with @MJS.    

 

Water is wet and NFL players need PED's to stay on the field.  

 

People do not want to see what the NFL looks like without them.

 

These drugs basically all stopped getting real development in the 80s (some small operations have found different delivery mechanisms mainly to beat testing, but only recently have big pharma companies done work in the area).  The chemistry and applications are very well understood and documented.

 

Drug testing, especially the lax NFL protocols, is essentially IQ testing.  Guys who knows what they are doing get away with it, or get cought rarely (von Miller, Brian cushing) but their performance stays (until injuries and father time show up, anyhow).

 

Big time sports is an industry of bending and breaking rules and false representation, it always has been.  College football/basketball had paid players and guys who literally couldn't read graduating from top level colleges, players committing various crimes including sexual assault and it getting swept under the rug, and the criminal proclivities of NFL athletes are well known.  The idea that these guys wouldn't use drugs that make them better because it's "cheating" or that coaches would be too worried about ethics or player health is Pollyanna bull hickey.