Rank Allen’s receiving options

[JohnBonhamRocks]

With or without Gabe Davis? 😬

[SoonerBillsFan]

Are we still doing this?  Dear God, we needthe  Training camp to hurry up and get here.

[GunnerBill]

Shakir #1

 

Kincaid and Palmer #2 & 3 in some order

 

Coleman #4

 

Moore, Samuel and Knox #5-7 in some order

[YattaOkasan]

54 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think Moore caught a lot of balls but not for a lot of yards. I think that he gets open better than most on the Bills. He also can get down the field even though he hasn’t been used to do that much in the NFL. He to me, feels like a guy that will be better in a Bills uniform than before. 
 

Disclaimer: I was a fan of his coming out so I’m sure some of my feelings are still driven by that.

Thanks for that explanation.  I do agree hes a great separator and I am pretty excited for him.  But I think they showed us how much of a priority he will be for the passing game (at least initially) with the way they pursued him slowly and the contract he was offered.  If we did this ranking in terms of ceiling then I think he maybe the highest (though shakir still has a bit before he hits his ceiling as well as Coleman and Kincaid).  

[billsfan89]

30 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Are we still doing this?  Dear God, we needthe  Training camp to hurry up and get here.

 

This is the complete off-season deadzone. It's well after free agency and enough time after the draft that all analysis on the off-season significant additions has been done. And with Moore signed it is likely the Bills don't make any signings really worth talking about (Gabe is a marginal roster reclamation project if they do resign him and what maybe they sign a vet LB for marginal depth not much is gonna happen signings wise most likely). And it's two months and some change before training camp so the "season previews" that occur in late June early July aren't there. So it is just an over analysis of everything for the next 2ish months.  

[SoonerBillsFan]

25 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

This is the complete off-season deadzone. It's well after free agency and enough time after the draft that all analysis on the off-season significant additions has been done. And with Moore signed it is likely the Bills don't make any signings really worth talking about (Gabe is a marginal roster reclamation project if they do resign him and what maybe they sign a vet LB for marginal depth not much is gonna happen signings wise most likely). And it's two months and some change before training camp so the "season previews" that occur in late June early July aren't there. So it is just an over analysis of everything for the next 2ish months.  

I know, it's just going to be repetitive takes over the same **** over and over.

[wppete]

2 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

1. Shakir

2. Palmer (drop-off after this)

3. Moore

4. Kincaid

5. Knox

6. Coleman

7. Samuel

I'd like to see Coleman take a step or two up this season and be a reliable WR #3. Same for Kincaid: be a consistent target. Love Knox as a teammate and he makes some acrobatic catches but I don't think he's a consistent threat. Samuel has a lot to prove later in his career. Moore I think can get use 600 yards of so because he's done around there many times before.

I think we have two good and reliable options right now; would like to see four.

Yeah i agree with this list 👍. ill put Shenault at 8.

 

1. Shakir

2. Palmer 

3. Moore

4. Kincaid

5. Knox

6. Coleman

7. Samuel

8. Shenault

[rayray808]

where would Gabe Davis fall on this list? 👀

[HappyDays]

My ranking assumes everyone is fully healthy:

 

Shakir

Palmer

Samuel

Knox

Kincaid/Coleman

Moore

 

Shakir is easily #1. Palmer is easily #2. After that it becomes tighter.

 

I put Samuel #3 because when healthy he has proven to be the most productive of the remaining players. It's possible he has just totally fallen off a cliff in which case he'd be near the bottom, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

 

I'm surprised everyone is ranking Kincaid over Knox. Based solely on last year Knox was clearly the more reliable pass catcher. And I don't take Kincaid's knee injury as a good enough excuse for his lack of production. To my eyes he was drifting on routes, he wasn't adjusting to defensive coverage, and his hands were too unreliable. He has a higher ceiling than Knox but as of today Knox is the better player.

 

I put Kincaid and Coleman together because I have them in the same bucket of young pass catcher who has been inconsistent but appears to have a higher ceiling than what they've shown to this point. I'd say I'm probably slightly more optimistic about Coleman at this point because he's younger and more raw, so more room to grow IMO.

 

Moore I have last. I'm pretty down on him. He's entering year 5 and hasn't been able to stick anywhere. Bad QB play doesn't fully explain that career arc. I see him as just Shakir's and Samuel's backup. He'll play when injuries inevitably come up but he's been way too unreliable throughout his career to count on him for a full time role.

[sunshynman]

3 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

This exercise depressed me a bit and I abstain.

Coming from RoscoeParrish he wouldn't make the PS on this team!

[Gilberto]

I am optimistic that with our new WR additions and the development of previously drafted talent, our WR are going to absolutely GO OFF this year. The main complaint last year was that we did not have WR's that could get separation, or make contested catches. That seems to have been addressed by the signings. I am obviously biased and want us to succeed, but I really do think that Josh Allen will elevate this entire squad and we will see improvements from last year. (which statistically was still very, very good)

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

4 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

I’m leaving out the RBs, but here are the TEs and WRs that matter listed alphabetically:

 

Coleman

Kincaid

Knox

Moore

Palmer

Samuel

Shakir

 

I’m honestly interested in what people think. I’d put Shakir first, but not by a wide margin. 2-7 could go in almost any order IMO. 

I have a lot of faith in Coleman. Put up very respectable numbers in a run heavy/ball distribution offense and demonstrated the skills & body control that got him drafted in the 1st round.
 

Kincaid’s stock has dropped with me immensely. I almost feel like we would be better off with Knox taking the majority of snaps as he is a much superior blocker and has better hands. His big play ability is also underrated amongst fans. 
 

Samuel is the most intriguing player for me. I think he could do some serious damage, but badly needed year to learn the offense and gain chemistry w/ Allen. I think he is going to much improved this season now. Brady needs to get more creative and look at how the 49ers used Deebo. Implement some screens/runs for the love of God.

 

Shakir continues to be a player on the rise and Allen’s number 1 option until somebody else breaks out. Dependable, great hands, shifty, and clutch. Glad Beane locked him up. 
 

Josh Palmer was my least favorite offseason acquisition. I’m hoping the FO sees something special because I certainly don’t. I would love to be proven wrong, but seems like way too much money to give someone who is that unproven. He’s fast though ? 🤷‍♂️ Same with Moore. Underwhelming.

 

The bottom line is we need our young players to start making a jump. The whole season depends on their progression. 

[sven233]

This is an interesting exercise because it all comes down to whether these guys are going to be used in a way that plays to their strengths.  For example, Kincaid is a perfect example of this.  This guy was a beast in college running up the seams and running deep crossers.  Her was a mismatch in college because of how well he ran and the hands he has.  That's one of the reasons I was high on him coming out.  But, fast forward to how he has been used in our offense, especially early in his career and all they do is ran screens, flairs, and short stop routes over the middle.  Heck, they were barely using him down the field and it made absolutely no sense.  Now, I will say as the season went along last year, they eventually started using him a bit more down the field than they had been, but it took forever to get there.

 

Coleman is another one.  Everyone knows I am not a big fan of Coleman's game.  I didn't like him in college and I am just not sure he will ever be more than a WR4 in the NFL.  That said, I am not sure we used him to his strengths last year.  Too many times, we just sent him down the field in hopes he could out-jump someone at the catch point.  Coleman running long routes is laughable to me.  We all know he's slow and can't create separation.  So, why are we sending him on deep routes down the field?  The best way Coleman can help us are on short slants, short stick routes, and intermediate back shoulder throws along the sidelines.  The other way he can help is in the scramble drill by just trying to make a play when Allen hucks the ball up (ie. the Jets game at the end of the year jumping out of the stadium for the TD where Allen basically just threw up a prayer or the Lions game where Allen scrambled out right and Coleman just too off down the sidelines and made a play out of structure).  But, for whatever reason, the slant pass is not a big part of this offense.  Seems like we see it like 5 times a season whereas other teams use it more than that in one game.  I think Coleman can be a player on this team, but you have to play to his strengths and mask his shortcomings.

 

So yeah.....I'll give you my list, but I am going to base it on talent and skill set assuming that we find a way to play to each player's strengths.

 

1. Shakir (The one guy we actually use correctly.  He is schemed open.  He's smart enough to find holes in zones.  Great hands.  Great vision.  Sneaky quick/fast.  Keep on using him exactly how he has been used.)

 

2. Palmer (#2 and #3 on my list may flip here because we haven't seen these guys with a QB like Allen.  I think both of these guys are going to be good in our offense.  Palmer has decent size and speed and has shown he can win in man coverage which we didn't have really anyone do last season.)

 

3. Moore (As mentioned above, I can easily see him making a bigger impact on this team than some do.  I am higher on this signing than many and I think there is a ton of untapped potential here.  Quite honestly I can find a path for him to be the best WR on this team by the time it is said and done.  I think those projecting him to be fighting for a roster spot at the bottom of the depth chart are flat out wrong.  He may be the most physically talented WR we have in terms of tools.)

 

4. Kincaid (I said my piece about him above.  I think he has been miss-cast in the offense for the most part so far.  But, if they figure out how to use him as the miss match he can be, he could shoot up this list.  I still think he has everything it takes to be one of the best receiving TEs in the league.  Just split the guy out and let him run.  He can't block.....probably never will be able to block.  But neither can Kelce.  Just use him down the field.)

 

5. Coleman (Again.....talked about him above.  Just not sure he will ever make the impact we all want him to.  He should embrace his inner Larry Fitzgerald and just put on a lot of mass and go out and play bully ball.  Fitz was never a blazer, but he was physical at the top of routes and just shoved guys around to create separation.  Might be his best option to turn into a great player someday.)

 

6. Knox (We all know what he is.  No explanation necessary.)

 

7. Samuel (This is a tough one for me because I don't know how bad he was hurt last season.  I had much higher expectations for him going into last season.  I thought he was going to be used all over the field including in the backfield.  But we never got a great look at this because he got hurt before the season ever got started.  So, he is going to start down here, but could absolutely shoot up a few spots quickly if we find out that the injury was worse than we knew.)

Edited 19 hours ago by sven233

[The Firebaugh Kid]

1) Shakir

2) Palmer

3) Moore

4) Dalton (even though he doesn't deserve that name right now-RIP SWAYZE)

5) Keon

6) Samuel (although I think rather highly of him)

7) Knox 

[wjag]

Shakir

Cook

Moore

Palmer

Samuel

Knox

Coleman

Josh Allen

 

[brianthomas]

The issue i have with Palmer is that he's had a decent QB throwing to him. And over the past few seasons, he's often been 1 of the only healthy wr's on the team. And he's had multiple opportunities to step up & yet he still couldn't make much of an impact. He would often just disappear in games & while the data shows he can be good at separating, on longer routes there's something thats just off about his adjustments on the route. I dont know what it is.

 

I wasn't very excited about the pick up personally. I know i'm nobody but I'd definitely rate Moore over Palmer. He's been just as productive while being in worse situations, & there's not much he can't do well. If you were to take John Brown & mix him with Cole Beasley, you might get Elijah Moore. Palmer to me is a cross between Gabe Davis & Duke Williams. But hopefully he has a career year & makes us all fans. The new weapons should be fun to watch with #17.

[YattaOkasan]

Im still confused why people think Moore is a better receiving option than Palmer.  The Bills have pretty clearly shown they think Palmer is much more of a priority.  Maybe it turns out that Moore > Palmer but going into the season the Bills clearly prefer Palmer.  

[SoonerBillsFan]

2 hours ago, rayray808 said:

where would Gabe Davis fall on this list? 👀

I wouldn't doubt we bring him in

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

I have a lot of faith in Coleman. Put up very respectable numbers in a run heavy/ball distribution offense and demonstrated the skills & body control that got him drafted in the 1st round.
 

Kincaid’s stock has dropped with me immensely. I almost feel like we would be better off with Knox taking the majority of snaps as he is a much superior blocker and has better hands. His big play ability is also underrated amongst fans. 
 

Samuel is the most intriguing player for me. I think he could do some serious damage, but badly needed year to learn the offense and gain chemistry w/ Allen. I think he is going to much improved this season now. Brady needs to get more creative and look at how the 49ers used Deebo. Implement some screens/runs for the love of God.

 

Shakir continues to be a player on the rise and Allen’s number 1 option until somebody else breaks out. Dependable, great hands, shifty, and clutch. Glad Beane locked him up. 
 

Josh Palmer was my least favorite offseason acquisition. I’m hoping the FO sees something special because I certainly don’t. I would love to be proven wrong, but seems like way too much money to give someone who is that unproven. He’s fast though ? 🤷‍♂️ Same with Moore. Underwhelming.

 

The bottom line is we need our young players to start making a jump. The whole season depends on their progression. 

 

Since when?  Most people wanted knox gone pre-extension simply because of his unreliable hands.  

[YattaOkasan]

6 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Since when?  Most people wanted knox gone pre-extension simply because of his unreliable hands.  

Last year was Knox's best drop % and Kincaid was worse.  But I agree with you Kincaid has better hands as demonstrated by overall career numbers.