Elijah Moore Visiting the Bills today (Update: Signed!)

[Cash]

15 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Shaw, the point is that there isn’t a player that’ll put them in a position any better than the one they were in last season. The only thing left for the Buffalo Bills to do is to have someone make ‘a play’ at the point of do or die. You either make the play or you go home.
 

The other night I was watching one of the NBA teams (can’t remember which one) lose a game because a player inexplicably let a ball go right through his hands and legs out of bounds when all he had to do was grab it and hold on. The opponent got the ball out of bounds and proceeded to go the length of the floor for the winning layup as time expired. All I could think to myself was geeeez what a Billsy way to screw up a sure victory. 

It was Gary Trent Jr on the Bucks. I saw it live as well. Absolutely brutal. I was half expecting something like that, because the Bucks’ current coach (Doc Rivers) is known for choke jobs in the playoffs. Usually in the form of blowing 3-1 leads in 7 game series. 

 

7 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

@TheWeatherMan your nausea (hope you feel better) is a reaction to the Bills top-3 roster options at safety, yes? Rather than my deft analysis of how that top-3 depth chart should shake out, of course. 

 

I actually think Rapp is at least an average starting S in the NFL, who brings some physicality and flash. Problem there is he just absolutely obliterates himself and his teammates too often by dropping his helmet and becoming ordinance. Someone on the team will miss games because of Taylor Rapp. 

 

Forrest is kind of intriguing on a McDermott defense. Was on an early trajectory in DC, but injuries plus a coaching change caused regression there in years 3 & 4. Tested like a beast coming out, though: 9.69 RAS. And flashed early on in the league. Availability will be the thing with him. 

 

And Bishop...well, I don't know. He could progress the same way we hope Kincaid will. Sucks that both Utah guys are facing steep curves. 

 

 

Would be great if Bishop somehow leaps past Rapp, because I think Rapp is an okay starter (while it lasts and until he lights up a teammate). Bishop was WAY behind Rapp last year. He was way behind Hamlin if we're being honest. Forrest could be a dude, though. 

 

Hancock I think is more likely a subpackage guy or flexible replacement like Lewis, rather than a threat to start. Happy to be wrong there. 

Like many here, I’m very interested in Forrest. I can’t say I’ve ever seen him play, so it’s mostly vibes-based. But I’d never seen Poyer or Hyde play when we signed them, and Poyer in particular was very unheralded at the time, and his first Bills contract reflected that. 
 

I’m also very high on Hancock, and again, it’s mostly vibes-based. A 3-year starter on a loaded national championship team, who moved around a ton and did whatever needed to be done? Sign me up. I don’t expect a lot this year, but I love him as a candidate to start at safety down the road. Or maybe nickel corner when Taron Johnson ages out of the role. 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

9 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I will be very surprised if that happens. Even if he is capable and of it, I know how it is to crack the lineup for this coach. He’s incredibly frustrating and acts like nobody new is ever ready. I don’t see him getting the opportunity to outperform 

I respect where you’re coming from and I don’t think it’s an insane take. Knowing the talent that guy has I think he’s gonna lock in because he knows this is his career resurrection moment right here. Not that it was ever dead he’s been a productive player on terrible terrible teams. But this could elevate him to another level playing with Josh for a year. If he can get into the realm of the McDermot favorites…. He could see like 50-60 balls. 

7 minutes ago, Cash said:

It was Gary Trent Jr on the Bucks. I saw it live as well. Absolutely brutal. I was half expecting something like that, because the Bucks’ current coach (Doc Rivers) is known for choke jobs in the playoffs. Usually in the form of blowing 3-1 leads in 7 game series. 

 

Like many here, I’m very interested in Forrest. I can’t say I’ve ever seen him play, so it’s mostly vibes-based. But I’d never seen Poyer or Hyde play when we signed them, and Poyer in particular was very unheralded at the time, and his first Bills contract reflected that. 
 

I’m also very high on Hancock, and again, it’s mostly vibes-based. A 3-year starter on a loaded national championship team, who moved around a ton and did whatever needed to be done? Sign me up. I don’t expect a lot this year, but I love him as a candidate to start at safety down the road. Or maybe nickel corner when Taron Johnson ages out of the role. 

Now that I’ve calmed down because they didn’t draft a receiver, I was able to accurately process the draft and I think they knocked this one completely out of the park. 

[Doc]

8 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

PFF is garbage when it comes to Moore.  PFF is the best indicator of true WR quality when it comes to Hollins.  Am I doing that right?

 

I think the difference is who was throwing to Hollins versus who was throwing to Moore.

[CSBill]

14 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Why? They weren't in on him. They have Rashee Rice, Xavier Worthy, Hollywood Brown, Jalen Royals, Skyy Moore, JuJu Smith-Schuster, and Tyquan Thornton. Hanging on every move they make, don't make, and expressing thanks for them not making moves that they weren't ever going to make is taking the fear of them too far. 

 

A little Biblical wisdom seems appropriate here:

 

    Proverbs 29:25 (KJV):

 

           The fear of man brings a snare,

 

    Or this newer translation (NLT) captures it well . . .

 

             Fearing people is a dangerous trap,

 

[oldmanfan]

21 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Some fans ( not saying you) need to go see the Forrest highlights.  Before he got hurt, he has some skills.

I’m intrigued.  Also want to see what Hancock brings.

[MJS]

15 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Why? They weren't in on him. They have Rashee Rice, Xavier Worthy, Hollywood Brown, Jalen Royals, Skyy Moore, JuJu Smith-Schuster, and Tyquan Thornton. Hanging on every move they make, don't make, and expressing thanks for them not making moves that they weren't ever going to make is taking the fear of them too far. 

Well, the last three guys you mentioned are replaceable, and Brown is on his 3rd team and hasn't put up good numbers since 2021.

[BobbyC81]

On 4/30/2025 at 7:51 PM, JerseyBills said:

Probably the best FA WR signing they could've made. Only 25!

 

Essentially Palmer replaces a washed up Cooper, Moore replaces Mack.

 

That Palmer signing will turn heads

Like Linda Blair in the Exorcist?

[Low Positive]

1 hour ago, CSBill said:

 

This post reminds me of the old saying in Cincinnati, "If it's Brown, flush it down!" 

 

 

Bengals fans call the Browns the Stains.

[MrEpsYtown]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

I’m intrigued.  Also want to see what Hancock brings.

 

Super excited about him as well. He makes plays

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, CSBill said:

 

A little Biblical wisdom seems appropriate here:

 

    Proverbs 29:25 (KJV):

 

           The fear of man brings a snare,

 

    Or this newer translation (NLT) captures it well . . .

 

             Fearing people is a dangerous trap,

 

Fear is the mind killer, 

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

I think the difference is who was throwing to Hollins versus who was throwing to Moore.

That's probably likely.  I don't know exactly how they factor in QB play into account in each WR's grade.  Not paying their membership fee.

[PrimeTime101]

21 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I watched some game reels yesterday from his time with Cleveland and there were definitely some targets he could have come down with. Here's a good sample game that I posted earlier in the thread:

 

 

Some of the targets are absolutely uncatchable, but there are a couple that a bigger more physically gifted WR would have come down with.

 

But we're talking about the 5th WR on the depth chart so as long as he can get some decent separation and catch passes that hit him between the numbers he'll be worth his roster spot. If Samuel ever gets injured which feels inevitable Moore can step in and do some of the same things.

he had 100 targets last year.. what makes you think this guy is not going to pop and end up #3-4? Heck.. Throw Shakir, Samuel, Moore and Palmer out there... that's more speed then most defenses can handle.. 

[MainEvent]

Is he actually signed though?

[nedboy7]

I’m shifting my complaining to WR6 now. 

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said:

he had 100 targets last year.. what makes you think this guy is not going to pop and end up #3-4? Heck.. Throw Shakir, Samuel, Moore and Palmer out there... that's more speed then most defenses can handle.. 

 

Why was a 25 year old WR available after the draft for $3.5M if he was really that good?

[Simon]

2 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Fear is the mind killer, 

 

It is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain

[Shaw66]

16 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Why was a 25 year old WR available after the draft for $3.5M if he was really that good?

Well, I generally agree with you. He's not likely to emerge as a top-10 receiver.  Those guys have special talent, and it shows up wherever they may be playing. 

 

However, the beauty of McDermott's system, and the wideout philosophy in general, is that system doesn't require him to be a top-10 receiver. It doesn't require ANYONE to be a top-10 receiver. What the system hopes it can get out of each receiver is 600-1000 yards, Instead of requiring a 1500-yard man, this system just requires that Beane find several 800-yard men. That's a much easier task.  

 

The receiver room looks better with Moore and Palmer than without them, for sure.  Both have shown that they can get that kind of yardage.  Whether they make the room better than with healthy Cooper and Hollins is a real question for some, but I think the Moore and Palmer offer more upside.  If Samuel is the weakest player in the room, I think it's a strong group. 

 

 

[Simon]

6 hours ago, Cash said:

Like many here, I’m very interested in Forrest. I can’t say I’ve ever seen him play, so it’s mostly vibes-based.

 

There's not a lot of video out there of him but here's a little bit in case you haven't caught any yet.

 

 

 

[Cash]

2 hours ago, Simon said:

 

It is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain

 

Thanks, Paul.

 

2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Well, I generally agree with you. He's not likely to emerge as a top-10 receiver.  Those guys have special talent, and it shows up wherever they may be playing. 

 

However, the beauty of McDermott's system, and the wideout philosophy in general, is that system doesn't require him to be a top-10 receiver. It doesn't require ANYONE to be a top-10 receiver. What the system hopes it can get out of each receiver is 600-1000 yards, Instead of requiring a 1500-yard man, this system just requires that Beane find several 800-yard men. That's a much easier task.  

 

The receiver room looks better with Moore and Palmer than without them, for sure.  Both have shown that they can get that kind of yardage.  Whether they make the room better than with healthy Cooper and Hollins is a real question for some, but I think the Moore and Palmer offer more upside.  If Samuel is the weakest player in the room, I think it's a strong group. 

 

 

 

Yeah, Moore clearly isn't "that good", and if he was, we wouldn't be able to afford him.  And that's fine.  What he is, is insurance against another Texans game from last year, where Allen completed 9 passes and it looked like our WRs were a freshman team playing against varsity DBs.

 

Put another way:  Before the Moore signing, we were guaranteed to have at least 1 WR make the team who was such a question mark that he might be totally worthless.  Basically Shavers, Prather, or Shenault.  But now, if one of those guys winds up making the team, I'll feel a lot better about it.  Because it will mean he beat out a real NFL WR in training camp, and thus is hopefully a real NFL WR himself.

Edited 6 hours ago by Cash

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:

Well, I generally agree with you. He's not likely to emerge as a top-10 receiver.  Those guys have special talent, and it shows up wherever they may be playing. 

 

However, the beauty of McDermott's system, and the wideout philosophy in general, is that system doesn't require him to be a top-10 receiver. It doesn't require ANYONE to be a top-10 receiver. What the system hopes it can get out of each receiver is 600-1000 yards, Instead of requiring a 1500-yard man, this system just requires that Beane find several 800-yard men. That's a much easier task.  

 

The receiver room looks better with Moore and Palmer than without them, for sure.  Both have shown that they can get that kind of yardage.  Whether they make the room better than with healthy Cooper and Hollins is a real question for some, but I think the Moore and Palmer offer more upside.  If Samuel is the weakest player in the room, I think it's a strong group. 

 

 

So McD has an offensive system too now? That guy does everything!