The Worthy Trade Keeps Looking Worse and Worse

[RyanC883]

McConkley should have been the pick. 

[SunDSolar]

6 hours ago, folz said:

 

On the year, Worthy is averaging 36.25 receiving yards per game. If you include his rushing stats, he is averaging 49.5 scrimmage yards per game and 0.25 TDs/game. He has 1 TD on the year and missed two games due to injury.

 

Keon is averaging 45.20 receiving yards per game and 0.40 TDs/game this season. He has 2 TDs on the year.

 

Keon may not be setting the world on fire, but are people really still lamenting over a player who is averaging 36 receiving yards per game?

 

Career update---Regular Season (prior to Bills week 6 Monday night game):

         

          Games   Targets   Receptions   Rec yards   Rec TDs   Catch%   20+-yard recs   Yds/Reception   Yds/Target   Total scrimmage yards   Total TDs

Keon:    18           86             50               782              6              58.1                15                      15.6                    9.1                       791                             6

Xavier:  20          116             70               763              6             60.3                 6                      10.9                    6.6                      914                             9

 

If Keon hits just his current career average of 44 yards on Monday night versus Atlanta, he will have 826 total scrimmage yards---just 88 yards fewer than Worthy, but also in one fewer games (and with approx. 26 fewer targets than Worthy). 

 

Again, I think both players can be good as they mature. But, I'm having a hard time understanding those that think Worthy is sooooo superior to Keon at this point when looking at their stats head-to-head.

 

 

 

 

He gets so much glaze on this site

 

After 2rec 20yds performance, you get a post that says the Chiefs offense is just "explosive when he is in the lineup"

 

Lol

[loyal2dagame]

On 10/7/2025 at 4:09 AM, SunDSolar said:

The amount of glaze a player gets who has yet to record a 100 yd reciving day in the regular season in his career is crazy

 

And before you say he had 157yds in the super bowl.  The guy had 2rec for 9yds with the score at 34-0 late in the 3rd quarter

 

21 minutes ago, SunDSolar said:

 

He gets so much glaze on this site

 

After 2rec 20yds performance, you get a post that says the Chiefs offense is just "explosive when he is in the lineup"

 

Lol

The repeated glaze about the glaze has my brain in a haze.

Neither Worthy or Coleman are world beaters.

[YoloinOhio]

Apparently he wishes the Bills drafted him too 

 

 

[nedboy7]

Trade another first for a WR. Drafting ain’t working 

[Pete]

8 hours ago, Figster said:

This post might also be useful in @Pete Keon WTF thread🤷‍♂️

I don’t care about Worthy.  It’s not like he’s a great football player.  There are 100+ WR I prefer over him

Edited 6 hours ago by Pete

[2003Contenders]

I think the issue heading into that draft was that Beane was most concerned about the limited number of draft picks on hand and doing whatever he could to acquire additional ones. In particular, he was dead set on re-acquiring the 3rd rounder that he  parted with to acquire R. Douglas during the prior season. That desire to add picks is also what precluded him from making any kind of trade-up that many of us were clamoring for to get into the range to draft one of the top 3 WR prospects (Harrison, Nabors, Odunze)  or even BTJ, who fell into a reasonable trade-up position.  So, if that was his goal, then he managed to achieve it by two modest trade-downs and picking up a 3rd and 5th rounder in the process.

 

As much as I love the many positive things that Beane has done for this team, I must admit that he has begun to sour on me a bit. Part of that is due to his seemingly inconsistent vision for building the team. At times, he seems obsessive about acquiring draft picks -- at other times he seemingly throws them away for questionable move-ups in the draft. It is interesting that he appears to have done better with late-round picks than he has with the earlier round picks. I wonder if that is indicative of perhaps the coaches and top level executives having had more say in those early-round picks (see; Elam)  over the scouts who have earned their money by identifying the late-round and lesser known gems like Benford. 

 

The interesting thing is that it's looking like neither Worthy nor Coleman is a great 1st round pick, which may make Coleman's ultimate 2nd round selection easier to digest. Worthy's speed was obvious -- but there were definitely concerns about his hands, skepticism about his ability to run a full route tree and his ability to physically hold up for a full season.  Meanwhile, Coleman's lack of speed and ability to separate are the reason he was not drafted in the 1st round. Those concerns about both players have already manifested themselves in the first two seasons.

 

Obviously it is early -- and there is a chance that both players could eventually evolve. The interesting thing about Coleman is that he does possess that prototypical size and physical ability (especially given his basketball background) to emerge as a classic "West Coast" style receiver. The problem is that Brady is not utilizing him in that role. Rather than getting the ball to him quickly on slants, bubbles, etc. and relying on solid YAC, they are more often throwing jump balls to him and trying to get him the ball downfield, which does not play to his strengths, especially given his inability to separate. Perhaps Coleman is not doing what he needs to do to best understand route concepts, etc. For example, if he and Josh could develop better chemistry (especially on busted plays) that would go a long way toward improving Coleman's value to the team. Let's also remember that Coleman is young -- and given comments from the coaches, it sounds like maturity is very likely an issue. Whether he gets past that is up to him.

 

Getting back to Beane's obsession with re-acquiring that 3rd rounder given up for Douglas... Never mind that that 3rd rounder he eventually obtained resulted in D. Carter, who now appears to be a bust!

[billsfan89]

1 minute ago, 2003Contenders said:

I think the issue heading into that draft was that Beane was most concerned about the limited number of draft picks on hand and doing whatever he could to acquire additional ones. In particular, he was dead set on re-acquiring the 3rd rounder that he  parted with to acquire R. Douglas during the prior season. That desire to add picks is also what precluded him from making any kind of trade-up that many of us were clamoring for to get into the range to draft one of the top 3 WR prospects (Harrison, Nabors, Odunze)  or even BTJ, who fell into a reasonable trade-up position.  So, if that was his goal, then he managed to achieve it by two modest trade-downs and picking up a 3rd and 5th rounder in the process.

 

As much as I love the many positive things that Beane has done for this team, I must admit that he has begun to sour on me a bit. Part of that is due to his seemingly inconsistent vision for building the team. At times, he seems obsessive about acquiring draft picks -- at other times he seemingly throws them away for questionable move-ups in the draft. It is interesting that he appears to have done better with late-round picks than he has with the earlier round picks. I wonder if that is indicative of perhaps the coaches and top level executives having had more say in those early-round picks (see; Elam)  over the scouts who have earned their money by identifying the late-round and lesser known gems like Benford. 

 

The interesting thing is that it's looking like neither Worthy nor Coleman is a great 1st round pick, which may make Coleman's ultimate 2nd round selection easier to digest. Worthy's speed was obvious -- but there were definitely concerns about his hands, skepticism about his ability to run a full route tree and his ability to physically hold up for a full season.  Meanwhile, Coleman's lack of speed and ability to separate are the reason he was not drafted in the 1st round. Those concerns about both players have already manifested themselves in the first two seasons.

 

Obviously it is early -- and there is a chance that both players could eventually evolve. The interesting thing about Coleman is that he does possess that prototypical size and physical ability (especially given his basketball background) to emerge as a classic "West Coast" style receiver. The problem is that Brady is not utilizing him in that role. Rather than getting the ball to him quickly on slants, bubbles, etc. and relying on solid YAC, they are more often throwing jump balls to him and trying to get him the ball downfield, which does not play to his strengths, especially given his inability to separate. Perhaps Coleman is not doing what he needs to do to best understand route concepts, etc. For example, if he and Josh could develop better chemistry (especially on busted plays) that would go a long way toward improving Coleman's value to the team. Let's also remember that Coleman is young -- and given comments from the coaches, it sounds like maturity is very likely an issue. Whether he gets past that is up to him.

 

Getting back to Beane's obsession with re-acquiring that 3rd rounder given up for Douglas... Never mind that that 3rd rounder he eventually obtained resulted in D. Carter, who now appears to be a bust!

 

It's far too early to tell on the 2024 draft class. I think you usually get the best sense of how good or bad a draft class is by year 3. Keon flashed his rookie year but then the injury derailed it. Year 2 he's not been bad, certainly up and down but to me the jury is still out on him. Cole is coming around hopefully he can lock it down as a defensive starter and Ray Davis can turn it around as a backup RB as he showed some nice play his rookie year as a good role player. I also think SVPG and Grable are nice later round finds and hoping Solomon can turn it around as he's looking like a JAG. 

 

The fortunes of that 2024 class hinge largely on Cole and Keon developing and getting some production from the back end picks. If Keon is a solid outside WR, Cole a good safety, SVPG develops into a starter and Davis and Grable are good role players/backups that's a nice draft class. 

[BeastMaster]

Worthy is not good as a receiver, but he fits exactly what KC wanted to do, which was to have a burner that can stretch the field and must be accounted for, and to use him for gadget plays. 

 

Buffalo could use the exact same thing, and it's frustrating watching them not do it when it would make them so much more dangerous and probably impossible to stop

[dorquemada]

19 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said:

Obviously it is early -- and there is a chance that both players could eventually evolve. The interesting thing about Coleman is that he does possess that prototypical size and physical ability (especially given his basketball background) to emerge as a classic "West Coast" style receiver. The problem is that Brady is not utilizing him in that role. Rather than getting the ball to him quickly on slants, bubbles, etc. and relying on solid YAC, they are more often throwing jump balls to him and trying to get him the ball downfield, which does not play to his strengths, especially given his inability to separate.

 

Watching Detroit and KC last night I said this exact thing to my son.  It's perplexing. It feels like Brady trying to outsmart everyone.

[ColoradoBills]

Bills fan's self-flagellation over Worthy is priceless.

[warrior9]

12 hours ago, folz said:

 

On the year, Worthy is averaging 36.25 receiving yards per game. If you include his rushing stats, he is averaging 49.5 scrimmage yards per game and 0.25 TDs/game. He has 1 TD on the year and missed two games due to injury.

 

Keon is averaging 45.20 receiving yards per game and 0.40 TDs/game this season. He has 2 TDs on the year.

 

Keon may not be setting the world on fire, but are people really still lamenting over a player who is averaging 36 receiving yards per game?

 

Career update---Regular Season (prior to Bills week 6 Monday night game):

         

          Games   Targets   Receptions   Rec yards   Rec TDs   Catch%   20+-yard recs   Yds/Reception   Yds/Target   Total scrimmage yards   Total TDs

Keon:    18           86             50               782              6              58.1                15                      15.6                    9.1                       791                             6

Xavier:  20          116             70               763              6             60.3                 6                      10.9                    6.6                      914                             9

 

If Keon hits just his current career average of 44 yards on Monday night versus Atlanta, he will have 826 total scrimmage yards---just 88 yards fewer than Worthy, but also in one fewer games (and with approx. 26 fewer targets than Worthy). 

 

Again, I think both players can be good as they mature. But, I'm having a hard time understanding those that think Worthy is sooooo superior to Keon at this point when looking at their stats head-to-head.

 

 

 

Because people need something to b***h about and be unhappy about with our offense

[The Jokeman]

5 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

Because people need something to b***h about and be unhappy about with our offense

cuz we've scored 3 points less than the Chiefs but let's ignore that they've played one more game than us lol Sorry not sorry. 

[Figster]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

I don’t care about Worthy.  It’s not like he’s a great football player.  There are 100+ WR I prefer over him

The comparison of Worthy and Coleman was an eye opener for me because I wanted to draft Worthy. It will be interesting to see how much injury plays a part in Worthy's overall career production vs the much better built for football Keon Coleman. As a blocker Worthy probably gets swatted away like a gnat.

 

Hey man, thanks for reply.

[NewEra]

18 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

Worthy is not good as a receiver, but he fits exactly what KC wanted to do, which was to have a burner that can stretch the field and must be accounted for, and to use him for gadget plays. 

 

Buffalo could use the exact same thing, and it's frustrating watching them not do it when it would make them so much more dangerous and probably impossible to stop

Reid is a magician at scheming guys with speed wide open.  Did it several times last night.  Wide open

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Reid is a magician at scheming guys with speed wide open.  Did it several times last night.  Wide open

Agreed. Reid is a bigger factor than who they have catching passes. 

[strive_for_five_guy]

10 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Reid is a magician at scheming guys with speed wide open.  Did it several times last night.  Wide open

And that is exactly why we shouldn’t have made a trade with them so they could draft the fastest player ever.  Worthy is the prototype player for their offense, not to mention we could actually use some at our WR position.  Even if Beane didn’t want Worthy, we shouldn’t have been the team to allow the Chiefs to draft him.

[Sierra Foothills]

48 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said:

I think the issue heading into that draft was that Beane was most concerned about the limited number of draft picks on hand and doing whatever he could to acquire additional ones. In particular, he was dead set on re-acquiring the 3rd rounder that he  parted with to acquire R. Douglas during the prior season. That desire to add picks is also what precluded him from making any kind of trade-up that many of us were clamoring for to get into the range to draft one of the top 3 WR prospects (Harrison, Nabors, Odunze)  or even BTJ, who fell into a reasonable trade-up position.  So, if that was his goal, then he managed to achieve it by two modest trade-downs and picking up a 3rd and 5th rounder in the process.

 

As much as I love the many positive things that Beane has done for this team, I must admit that he has begun to sour on me a bit. Part of that is due to his seemingly inconsistent vision for building the team. At times, he seems obsessive about acquiring draft picks -- at other times he seemingly throws them away for questionable move-ups in the draft. It is interesting that he appears to have done better with late-round picks than he has with the earlier round picks. I wonder if that is indicative of perhaps the coaches and top level executives having had more say in those early-round picks (see; Elam)  over the scouts who have earned their money by identifying the late-round and lesser known gems like Benford. 

 

The interesting thing is that it's looking like neither Worthy nor Coleman is a great 1st round pick, which may make Coleman's ultimate 2nd round selection easier to digest. Worthy's speed was obvious -- but there were definitely concerns about his hands, skepticism about his ability to run a full route tree and his ability to physically hold up for a full season.  Meanwhile, Coleman's lack of speed and ability to separate are the reason he was not drafted in the 1st round. Those concerns about both players have already manifested themselves in the first two seasons.

 

Obviously it is early -- and there is a chance that both players could eventually evolve. The interesting thing about Coleman is that he does possess that prototypical size and physical ability (especially given his basketball background) to emerge as a classic "West Coast" style receiver. The problem is that Brady is not utilizing him in that role. Rather than getting the ball to him quickly on slants, bubbles, etc. and relying on solid YAC, they are more often throwing jump balls to him and trying to get him the ball downfield, which does not play to his strengths, especially given his inability to separate. Perhaps Coleman is not doing what he needs to do to best understand route concepts, etc. For example, if he and Josh could develop better chemistry (especially on busted plays) that would go a long way toward improving Coleman's value to the team. Let's also remember that Coleman is young -- and given comments from the coaches, it sounds like maturity is very likely an issue. Whether he gets past that is up to him.

 

Getting back to Beane's obsession with re-acquiring that 3rd rounder given up for Douglas... Never mind that that 3rd rounder he eventually obtained resulted in D. Carter, who now appears to be a bust!

 

This is a really great post and the criticism is fair and sober.

 

Thanks for showing how it's done.

 

29 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

Worthy is not good as a receiver, but he fits exactly what KC wanted to do, which was to have a burner that can stretch the field and must be accounted for, and to use him for gadget plays. 

 

Buffalo could use the exact same thing, and it's frustrating watching them not do it when it would make them so much more dangerous and probably impossible to stop

 

10 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Reid is a magician at scheming guys with speed wide open.  Did it several times last night.  Wide open

 

6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Agreed. Reid is a bigger factor than who they have catching passes. 

 

I know that statistically, the Bills offense matches up with anyone's. We've had no problem scoring points.

 

But watching last night's game it reaffirms to me that both the KC and Detroit offense have more creativity and also an established identity, as well as more effective go-to plays... than do the Bills.

 

Regardless of points scored, it seems like their offenses are more coherent and more imaginative.

 

As many have said, we hope the Bills are holding something in reserve but you have to practice your plays to have an identity. The Bills can't simply keep stuff in the closet and expect it to work when it's unveiled... some of the identity building and offensive evolution has to be done during games.

 

[NewEra]

45 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

And that is exactly why we shouldn’t have made a trade with them so they could draft the fastest player ever.  Worthy is the prototype player for their offense, not to mention we could actually use some at our WR position.  Even if Beane didn’t want Worthy, we shouldn’t have been the team to allow the Chiefs to draft him.

As if we were their only chance to trade up….

 

As if there was no chance he would’ve been there when they drafted….

42 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

This is a really great post and the criticism is fair and sober.

 

Thanks for showing how it's done.

 

 

 

 

I know that statistically, the Bills offense matches up with anyone's. We've had no problem scoring points.

 

But watching last night's game it reaffirms to me that both the KC and Detroit offense have more creativity and also an established identity, as well as more effective go-to plays... than do the Bills.

 

Regardless of points scored, it seems like their offenses are more coherent and more imaginative.

 

As many have said, we hope the Bills are holding something in reserve but you have to practice your plays to have an identity. The Bills can't simply keep stuff in the closet and expect it to work when it's unveiled... some of the identity building and offensive evolution has to be done during games.

 

 

 

Detroits offense didn’t look very good to me last night.  
 

I also think we have more of an identity than both of those offenses do.  We run the ball and run it well.  The question is, when we can’t run it well, can our pass offense step in and take over?  I think a lot of it depends on the opposing dc calling a great game (or not) and whether or not our guys can catch and hang onto the ball.  
 

KC has Andy Reid.  He’s an all timer.  I expect him to call great games and scheme guys open.  Especially when they have as much speed as they currently do.  
 

[sven233]

12 hours ago, Buffalo Junction said:

Two aspects you’re missing with how Coleman fits into everybody eats and separation are

 

1. Everybody eats includes the running backs, WR screens, and relies on YAC. Having WRs that can effectively block downfield adds to that. 
 

2. Larger WRs that can high-point the ball is a form of separation, especially in the red zone where speed is mitigated. 
 

It’s certainly debatable if those particular skill fits were worth a trade down and high 2nd round pick when you could get that from a Mack Hollins. That said, neither Kincaid nor any of the other WRs on this roster were proven commodities with those traits. 
 

That aside, I wasn’t particularly fond of Worthy or Coleman pre draft. 

 

While I agree with the premise of this, if you look at the advanced stats, Coleman thus far has left a lot to be desired in the contested catch rate area.  Although it supposed to be a strong suit of his, and he does make some of those plays, if you look at the stats, he doesn't rank particularly high in those categories.  So, when you are limited physically when it comes to speed, you better make up for it somewhere and, so far, he isn't anywhere near the top of the list when it comes to contested catch percentage or similar stats.  Can he get better at that?  Sure he can.  He's young at only 22 and has only had 1 true offseason to put in the work.  He can still get bigger and stronger than he is which should help those metrics.  Hopefully he does because we could use that skill set.