Does Josh Allen still work as hard in the offseason?

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Congrats to him on being a future uncle! 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

On 3/22/2024 at 9:33 AM, QLBillsFan said:

Right! This thread is a joke. None of us know how hard he does or doesn’t work. Based on his performance, leadership, and toughness it appears he works very hard.
And off season is just that-off season. Name a QB who gives more of his heart, soul, and body than Josh? You just don’t see him posting “work outs” all over social media. He needs more rest and to do other things in part of the offseason so that he’s sharp from preseason on. Both physically and mentally. I’m 💯 certain he works out plenty and that he also travels around and has some fun. Suggesting he can’t do both is ridiculous! 

No it’s not a joke. This is how fans react. It’s predictable. I didn’t post Josh Allen’s own words in the original post because I wanted to see how people responded without hearing Josh say he’s done basically nothing the last couple years until he’s back in Buffalo. It’s been something he’s changed. He doesn’t work with Palmer anymore. He doesn’t work on mechanics anymore in the offseason. 
 

The thread wasn’t to criticize Josh. He’s still great. But the reactions tell me there are people that would be shocked or upset that he’s not doing what he use to do when he was developing into an elite QB.

 

I’m not sure who we’re supposed to compare him to. He said this new method of rest and relaxation and getting into shape when he returns to Buffalo is great for him. It’s not great for everyone. 
 

Don’t attack posters. Have a conversation.

Edited March 25 by Buffalo_Stampede

[K-9]

On 3/22/2024 at 6:49 PM, Bogie_Klinkhammer said:

Women weaken legs

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

17 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He doesn’t work on mechanics anymore in the offseason. 

 

I want proof of this statement!

[The Tomcat]

A BIG piece of the puzzle between Mahomes and Josh is Patrick has had the same OC (Reid-I know there were OC's in title but Reid was calling the shots) and Josh has been thru 4? 5?.

Reid is an INCREDIBLE offensive mind and a constant in the Chiefs, and Philly's success.

 

Mahomes and Reid finish each other's sentences.  Kelce and Mahomes are not far behind either.

[GunnerBill]

32 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

No it’s not a joke. This is how fans react. It’s predictable. I didn’t post Josh Allen’s own words in the original post because I wanted to see how people responded without hearing Josh say he’s done basically nothing the last couple years until he’s back in Buffalo. It’s been something he’s changed. He doesn’t work with Palmer anymore. He doesn’t work on mechanics anymore in the offseason. 
 

The thread wasn’t to criticize Josh. He’s still great. But the reactions tell me there are people that would be shocked or upset that he’s not doing what he use to do when he was developing into an elite QB.

 

I’m not sure who we’re supposed to compare him to. He said this new method of rest and relaxation and getting into shape when he returns to Buffalo is great for him. It’s not great for everyone. 
 

Don’t attack posters. Have a conversation.

 

Has he confirmed that? It has been my suspicion that he has stopped working with Palmer reading between the lines. Sorry if you already posted in the thread and I missed it.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

34 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

I want proof of this statement!

I posted the Bussin with the boys interview a few times now.
 

Here’s another one but with Palmer. To quote Palmer, “For Josh recovery is as valuable as getting extra work in use to be with him.”

 

Also talks about Josh has ownership of his stroke and doesn’t have to work on throwing consistent spirals anymore. Not working on hitting certain spots over and over again.

 

Again this wasn’t supposed to be a criticism of Josh Allen. He’s changed how he prepares for a season from “throwing 4x a week” to relaxing as much as possible.

 

Skip to 2:50 in and hear Palmer talk about the changes in Josh’s offseason work with him. Josh also talks about these changes in the Bussin interview and says he will continue them.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 25 by Buffalo_Stampede

[FireChans]

It is hard to know if Josh is working “as hard” without much evidence besides a few snippets, my personal feelings aside.

 

The real question is, does anyone think Josh has improved as a passer since 2020?

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Palmer said Josh has complete ownership of his stroke and that guys like him DON'T NEED TO THROW YEAR ROUND...says recovery is AS VALUABLE as getting in extra work in...doesn't mean no matter how good you are - you DON"T HAVE TO WORK ANYMORE...but the tax on his body, the way he plays...then goes on about putting less strain on his UCL.  

 

So I understand you're not "criticizing" Josh, but you stated "He Doesn't Work on Mechanics anymore in the offseason" and I didn't hear anything in that clip to suggest he doesn't work on mechanics.  In fact, if you watch his post season interview from this season in the link below (around the 6:00 min mark), he explains his thoughts about getting "back into the Lab" and building on the things that were working for him towards the end of the season as felt the ball was coming out the best.  That sounds like working on the mechanics to me.

 

https://youtu.be/Eq9TUDq2tbo?si=jMhuYoUEPcMvJJIn

[Don Otreply]

On 3/22/2024 at 2:08 AM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

He better be working harder.

 

he can have fun after he retires.

 

 

Yeah, youth is wasted on the young, 

 

Kids nowadays, they’re just like we were, 

 

Get off my lawn, 

 

Stop having “relationships with cute starlets,

 

President and Chiefs administrator of the Old Crumudgeon Club, 

 

 

😁😆🤣😂

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

No it’s not a joke. This is how fans react. It’s predictable. I didn’t post Josh Allen’s own words in the original post because I wanted to see how people responded without hearing Josh say he’s done basically nothing the last couple years until he’s back in Buffalo. It’s been something he’s changed. He doesn’t work with Palmer anymore. He doesn’t work on mechanics anymore in the offseason. 
 

The thread wasn’t to criticize Josh. He’s still great. But the reactions tell me there are people that would be shocked or upset that he’s not doing what he use to do when he was developing into an elite QB.

 

I’m not sure who we’re supposed to compare him to. He said this new method of rest and relaxation and getting into shape when he returns to Buffalo is great for him. It’s not great for everyone. 
 

Don’t attack posters. Have a conversation.

 

Except none of that is what Josh has actually said.

 

But we've been over the details of what was actually said vs how you're interpreting it multiple times, including (when it was originally brought up) pretty careful transcripts along with an explanation of what the Bills off-season schedule actually is.

 

So I think it's a pretty good inference that you're unconcerned with the facts of what was actually said.  You've got your viewpoint, and You're Sticking To It.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Except none of that is what Josh has actually said.

 

But we've been over the details of what was actually said vs how you're interpreting it multiple times, including (when it was originally brought up) pretty careful transcripts along with an explanation of what the Bills off-season schedule actually is.

 

So I think it's a pretty good inference that you're unconcerned with the facts of what was actually said.  You've got your viewpoint, and You're Sticking To It.

Oh my gosh. I literally quoted Jordan Palmer.

 

So it’s safe to say you would be very upset. 😂

[Beck Water]

37 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

Palmer said Josh has complete ownership of his stroke and that guys like him DON'T NEED TO THROW YEAR ROUND...says recovery is AS VALUABLE as getting in extra work in...doesn't mean no matter how good you are - you DON"T HAVE TO WORK ANYMORE...but the tax on his body, the way he plays...then goes on about putting less strain on his UCL.  

 

So I understand you're not "criticizing" Josh, but you stated "He Doesn't Work on Mechanics anymore in the offseason" and I didn't hear anything in that clip to suggest he doesn't work on mechanics.  In fact, if you watch his post season interview from this season in the link below (around the 6:00 min mark), he explains his thoughts about getting "back into the Lab" and building on the things that were working for him towards the end of the season as felt the ball was coming out the best.  That sounds like working on the mechanics to me.

 

https://youtu.be/Eq9TUDq2tbo?si=jMhuYoUEPcMvJJIn

 

Exactly.  What Josh actually said is that he doesn't start working immediately after the season any more - that he used to start "working out like OTAs" immediately after the season ended, and now he wants to rest.  Jordan Palmer also said in an interview, Josh doesn't need to start working immediately because he is "master of his stroke" but sounded as though he did work with Josh, just later on in the off-season.  Judging from other things Josh has said, like "I feel like I didn't do anything on a group project and got an A" after the Dallas game where he had 15 pass attempts but scored two (2) TD, I don't know but could also see Josh not feeling that working on "stretch and strengthen" flexibility or water rehab or stuff is real "working out"

 

It's notable Josh has had injuries to his throwing arm and shoulder the last 2 seasons, which likely required an off-season program of PT and rehab.  Others have pointed out that it would be surprising if the team didn't actually lay out activity restrictions on him in the initial off-season to permit full healing.

 

The team starts Phase I of OTAs in mid-April.  Training camp starts at the end of July.  Josh can not be working out until he's "back in Buffalo" for Phase I OTAs and still be working out and throwing for 3 1/2 months before training camp - we don't know that, from anything Josh has said.  

 

Thanks for the link.

 

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Oh my gosh. I literally quoted Jordan Palmer.

 

So it’s safe to say you would be very upset. 😂

 

No, you did not.  Show the actual quote.

 

My point is we don't know what Josh is or is not working on.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

😂

 

I keep leaving this thread but people still keep calling me out for whatever reason. 

 

Listen, it is what it is. It’s not that complicated.
 

He either does do all the work in the offseason that he use to do to or he doesn’t. Simple as that.

 

He says he doesn’t. Jordan Palmer says he doesn’t. What in the world are people getting mad at me for?

 

 

 

[Beck Water]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

😂

 

I keep leaving this thread but people still keep calling me out for whatever reason. 

 

Listen, it is what it is. It’s not that complicated.
 

He either does do all the work in the offseason that he use to do to or he doesn’t. Simple as that.

 

He says he doesn’t. Jordan Palmer says he doesn’t. What in the world are people getting mad at me for?

 

You're right, it's not that complicated.

 

You aren't saying "does Josh do all the work in the off season that he used to do?"

 

You're saying "does Josh still work as hard in the off season?" and throwing in statements like "he doesn't work with Jordan Palmer" "he doesn't work on mechanics" "he doesn't watch film" - none of which are supported by the actual words said in actual interviews.

 

Those are different statements.  That's why you're being called out

 

You're welcome.

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

😂

 

I keep leaving this thread but people still keep calling me out for whatever reason. 

 

Listen, it is what it is. It’s not that complicated.
 

He either does do all the work in the offseason that he use to do to or he doesn’t. Simple as that.

 

He says he doesn’t. Jordan Palmer says he doesn’t. What in the world are people getting mad at me for?

 

 

 

 

Maybe because you inferred Josh doesn't even work on his mechanics in the offseason, for which you have not provided proof of, thus you are spreading misinformation. 

 

You're definition of "all the work" is not the same as what his coaches, trainers, and medical staff definition is.  You heard Palmer literally state that his recovery is just as valuabale.  

[Beck Water]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He says he doesn’t. Jordan Palmer says he doesn’t. What in the world are people getting mad at me for?

 

Here is the actual transcript from the video you linked at the time stamp you quoted.

 

Steve Tasker: "Jordan, in Josh's work with you this off season, did he have to change his regimen in any way at the outset, knowing that he played through the UCL injury?"

JP: "Guys who are starters, who are playing in January - not everyone plays football in January - and guys who have ownership of their stroke, not working on throwing a consistent spiral....those guys start a lot later.  Those guys don't need to throw year-round, recovery is as valuable as getting extra work in used to be"  (conversation then switches to discussion of Josh's UCL injury, what Palmer talks about during the season, etc).

 

Palmer never said he doesn't work with Josh any more during the off season (which stretches until end of July, please recall) or Josh doesn't work on mechanics during the off season.  What he said is Josh didn't need to start as early as he used to and that recovery is as valuable as extra work used to be.

 

And especially since Josh has played through injuries to his throwing elbow and platform the past two seasons, that is almost certainly true.

 

You are truly making stuff up with some of what you post, and the interviews you share as justification actually don't support your statements.  Starting to work in February or early March (or not) is not the same thing as "not working as hard in the off season".  It's not doing the same work, at the same time, as he used to. 

 

I understand that distinction is lost on you.  t's OK, not everyone can master nuance and pay attention to details.  (Though really, you'll have a better life, calmer, more peaceful, if you try)

 

As far as what would or wouldn't upset me, I thought I laid it out very clearly in a post up-thread:  I really don't GAF if Josh is throwing or lifting weights in February or March. To the extent that I would care, I think he should rest and rehab.

 

Where it's clear to me that Josh needs to take the next step, where McDermott has said he needs to take the next step, is with his on-field decision making.  I don't know how you work on that in shorts in April or May or June or July.  But that's the work that needs to be done for Josh to level-up.

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

I know he’s working on his golf stroke. He was at the driving range right by my house the other day. 😉

[Buffalo_Stampede]

22 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Maybe because you inferred Josh doesn't even work on his mechanics in the offseason, for which you have not provided proof of, thus you are spreading misinformation. 

 

Your definition of "all the work" is not the same as what his coaches, trainers, and medical staff definition is.  You heard Palmer literally state that his recovery is just as valuabale.  

To me this is a comment on mechanics.. Palmer said Josh has ownership of his stroke and doesn’t have to work on throwing consistent spirals anymore, not working on hitting certain spots over and over again.

But take it however you want to take. Josh does throw some on his own time I’m guessing, most likely after mini camps. But that’s me guessing. Josh says he still throws a little in the offseason.

 

Maybe “work as hard” is a bad phrasing, sounds critical. “Does less work” is probably better phrasing. 😉

 

Mahomes hosts WR camp every year for comparison. But that’s Mahomes, it’s not for everyone.

Edited March 25 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Mahomes hosts WR camp every year for comparison. But that’s Mahomes, it’s not for everyone.

 

and there it is...the true intent behind your BS thesis!  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

and there it is...the true intent behind your BS thesis!  

Not at all. But we all know that Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady are the standard. 

[Another Fan]

My feeling on this thread 

 

[Success]

On 3/21/2024 at 8:12 AM, KDIGGZ said:

Curt Cousins is not good and comes up short but he works probably harder than anyone in the league and is maximizing his potential, otherwise he might not even be in the league.

 

Conversely, Josh Allen thinks he's good enough and doesn't workout, doesn't watch film, these are his own words. Kyle Allen asked him his plans for the offseason on his podcast. It wasn't to get better and work on being the best QB and winning a championship. He said his plan was to play at every single PGA major golf course. What an absolute slap in the face to Bills fans. This guy wants to be Tiger Woods not Tom Brady. And we all know that he is now immersed into the Hollywood scene and all of those industry parties and such so that will be a whole thing as well.

 

Not so bold prediction: Josh Allen has already peaked and the Bills will never win a Superbowl. He has other interests and he is happy just showing up on Sundays and seeing what happens.

 

I kind of want to respond to this - but it actually leaves me speechless.

 

On 3/21/2024 at 10:50 AM, julian said:

Certain fans who feel they’re owed a SB title will slowly start to blame the all world QB more and more with each passing year if no SB is obtained, even if that QB continues to dominate the league as Allen has the last 4 years.

 

 Since they can’t really point to his on field performance as the reason for no title yet, they’re left with pointing the finger at the offseason routine, as though maybe playing one less round of golf, or one less week on the beach with his significant other will somehow activate this Bills defense into championship mode in the playoffs.

 

Absurd.

 

Thank you.

 

[90sBills]

2 hours ago, Another Fan said:

My feeling on this thread 

 

Have a feeling this thread will drag into next offseason…or another iteration of this I’m sure. 

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I know he’s working on his golf stroke. He was at the driving range right by my house the other day. 😉

 

Did he look good in shorts? 

 

Meanwhile, of course, Mahomes does nothing every minute of every day but try to get better at football....that would explain how Mahomes has a golf handicap of 7.7 or 7.5 or whatever it is...never works on his golf stroke at all, just holds WR camps <==Sar Chasm

 

6 hours ago, The Tomcat said:

A BIG piece of the puzzle between Mahomes and Josh is Patrick has had the same OC (Reid-I know there were OC's in title but Reid was calling the shots) and Josh has been thru 4? 5?.

Reid is an INCREDIBLE offensive mind and a constant in the Chiefs, and Philly's success.

 

Mahomes and Reid finish each other's sentences.  Kelce and Mahomes are not far behind either.

 

I've actually never heard this.

 

Factually, Josh has had 3 OCs: -

-one through his first 4 seasons

-one through the next 1.5 seasons

-now a third

Edited March 25 by Beck Water

[transplantbillsfan]

On 3/21/2024 at 5:36 PM, Thurman#1 said:

I would dearly dearly love to be wrong about this. I so hope that I am. In early years, he would have come out at some point and said something like, "well, I clearly had some problems with the long ball, particularly on go routes this year. I need to do some work this offseason in correcting my fundamentals and in figuring out how to do this in a way that Stefon, the guys and I can have a better shot at completing a few more of these. I'm working on it with ***." Hopefully we hear something like this at some point this offseason. 

 

 

 

Wait... so now Josh needs to tell us what's wrong with his game and tell us what he's correcting because otherwise he's not correcting it???

 

Everyone in the national media has consensus on one thing with Josh Allen:

 

Competitiveness.

 

If you honestly think Josh isn't spending the offseason working on his game, you're an idiot.

 

He's just older now and understands the entire public isn't entitled to knowledge of every detail of his offseason or personal life... note how he's handled the new girlfriend.

[BullBuchanan]

On 3/25/2024 at 9:35 AM, FireChans said:

It is hard to know if Josh is working “as hard” without much evidence besides a few snippets, my personal feelings aside.

 

The real question is, does anyone think Josh has improved as a passer since 2020?

There have been brief glimpses of it. A couple of years ago there was a period where he was throwing dimes on his deep balls and hitting players in stride down the field. I thought he has finally turned a corner there but it didn't last. This year there were so many wasted big plays where he didn't hit a wide open target or when he did they had to slow down or speed up which prevented a touchdown.

I was also encouraged by what I saw of Dorsey reigning him in early this year. You could tell Josh was struggling with it, which I think was good. It got him out of his comfort zone of playing hero ball. He was taking the checkdowns and it was working. What also worked really well, and honestly what always has, is the hurry up. Josh tends to play his best in a 4 minute offense and I chalk that up to him not having to/not being able to think so much about what he's doing. He zips through his reads and fires. When he doesn't have as much pressure, he processes too slowly and incorrectly.

 

My hope with what Dorsey was doing was that we could turn him into early years Brady or late years Manning and Elway where we don't ask him to do too much, and then he just makes the one or two big plays when he has to. I think he has that capability and he'd absolutely win a Super Bowl playing that way.

Peyton Manning lost a lot of playoff games trying to be the hero, and I thought maybe McD would have learned from that, but it appears he was only willing to give an alternate approach a handful of games. Allen isn't gonna do it on his own.

[billieve420]

Not many players will ever reach that level dedication to football that guys like Brady or Peyton has shown. You just hope that Josh knows what he needs to work on as a player in order for this team to win a Super Bowl. He will have to take his game to another level if he is going to get past Mahomes.

[jwhit34]

No one on this board has any idea how hard Allen or any other player for that matter works in the offseason. It's all hearsay.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

 

[SoCal Deek]

On 3/25/2024 at 1:12 PM, Beck Water said:

 

Did he look good in shorts? 

 

 

Apparently he had just left the driving range when my son-in-law got there wearing a Bills cap. Hailee is from the area. 

[Don Otreply]

Speaking of Bills fans, I talked to a woman in full Bills regalia today at the Publics grocery store on sea island parkway in Beaufort SC, we chatted up the team a bit she moved here 23 years ago, was raised and lived in Cuba NY, the cashier thought we were cute, and ya know I think we were, 😁👍

 

I’m thinking this is more interesting than this thread, but it could just be me…, 😁🍸🚬

[90sBills]

24 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Apparently he had just left the driving range when my son-in-law got there wearing a Bills cap. Hailee is from the area. 

Golf is a wonderful game and he sure loves it. Wonder what comes first? Allen’s index down to 3 or Bills winning a superbowl?

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

5 hours ago, billieve420 said:

Not many players will ever reach that level dedication to football that guys like Brady or Peyton has shown. You just hope that Josh knows what he needs to work on as a player in order for this team to win a Super Bowl. He will have to take his game to another level if he is going to get past Mahomes.

No he won't.  In his last two playoff games against Mahomes Allen played great.  The problem is that the coaching and/or some of the rest of the team did not rise to the occasion. Look at Allen's game stats for these 2 games and tell me he has to play better? 

 

This entire thread is madness.

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

48 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Speaking of Bills fans, I talked to a woman in full Bills regalia today at the Publics grocery store on sea island parkway in Beaufort SC, we chatted up the team a bit she moved here 23 years ago, was raised and lived in Cuba NY, the cashier thought we were cute, and ya know I think we were, 😁👍

 

I’m thinking this is more interesting than this thread, but it could just be me…, 😁🍸🚬

I bet that cashier works harder than Josh in the offseason.

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

5 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

No he won't.  In his last two playoff games against Mahomes Allen played great.  The problem is that the coaching and/or some of the rest of the team did not rise to the occasion. Look at Allen's game stats for these 2 games and tell me he has to play better? 

 

This entire thread is madness.

 

 

Who steps up in the playoffs....Kelce or Diggs!  

 

It's not so much Mahomes as it is Kelce in my opinion.  That dude straight murders our defense.

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

 

 

That only looks like a Drumstick Simply Dipped Frozen Dairy Dessert, 270 calories per serving, 12 g fat 25 g sugar 2 g protein, or 2700 per 10 servings.

 

Because Mahomes spends every minute of every day trying to be the  best he can be (I read that right here) we know it must actually be some specially-made Keto friendly spirulena and kelp-enriched  protein-packed super power food.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

That only looks like a Drumstick Simply Dipped Frozen Dairy Dessert, 270 calories per serving, 12 g fat 25 g sugar 2 g protein, or 2700 per 10 servings.

 

 I could eat 2 boxes. Which for me is training for the regular season grind. Wash it down with 2 beers. I’m ready for another division title.

[Don Otreply]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I bet that cashier works harder than Josh in the offseason.

Yeah, but is she gettin any…,

[billieve420]

1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:

No he won't.  In his last two playoff games against Mahomes Allen played great.  The problem is that the coaching and/or some of the rest of the team did not rise to the occasion. Look at Allen's game stats for these 2 games and tell me he has to play better? 

 

This entire thread is madness.

 

Outside of the division game in 2022 would not call any of the playoff exits great. He was good in the most recent playoff loss against the Chiefs. However, there were instances where we were on the brink of getting blown out. If not for Poyer saving that TD we were probably on the way to being beaten soundly. The almost near fumble while driving to tie the game before the miss FG was another play.
 

For me the next step in his growth is being consistent making the plays in front of him and minimizing the mistakes. We can blame the coaching, defense, o-line, weapons around him. However, I am including Josh in there too. We didn’t put up any points in the 4th quarter and clearly wasn’t good enough to get the win. That falls on the entire team including the QB.