Chicken Boo Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 6 hours ago, MiracleAtRich1393 said: Think he might jump up boards after the combine. He's clear #4 after the consensus top 3 to me That's my fear. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Worthy is gonna end up being the best wr in the draft class 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 32 minutes ago, Drew21PA said: Worthy is gonna end up being the best wr in the draft class I could see this… I want one of… Nabers Leggett Franklin Worthy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 12 hours ago, Drew21PA said: Worthy is gonna end up being the best wr in the draft class If he can avoid injury - he is extremely thin for a 6’1” WR. Very fast and agile for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 1/27/2024 at 3:10 PM, starrymessenger said: True he's not a 4:3s guy but given his size SIZE… the ONLY criteria, given the depth of this field, for 17 throwing to him in November- January in wind, in snow, in rain, in sleet, in Buffalo! 6’3 or above. NO, tiny SEC smurfs… who fade in the cold, nor can they be seen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Can any of these guys actually catch a contested ball? Thats pretty much my only criteria. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills6969 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I like Worthy a lot. He’s also a very good punt returner. assuming Thomas Jr is gone, my top 3 are: 1 Worthy 2 Franklin 3 Lagette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 19 hours ago, BBFL said: With Shakir I think you have to pass on Georgia’s McConkey. Very similar to 2Pac. Can play anywhere but best suited to a slot/inside role due to size and initial burst. Then you haven’t watched McConkey play very much. Ladd’s size is nearly identical to Stef Diggs. Ladd has excellent hands, good speed and run excellent routes. I fact I think he’s faster than Diggs. He can lineup and be effective anywhere. Diggs will be gone in 2 years. Ladd would be an excellent replacement. That doesn’t mean we don’t need bigger receivers. We do. AD Mitchell is a great combo of size and speed. I watched AD at UGA with Ladd and they are great combo. Add them to Shakir, Diggs, and Kincaid and defenses will have no one they can double team or try to scheme to take away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 13 hours ago, JaCrispy said: I could see this… I want one of… Nabers Leggett Franklin Worthy Add Keon Coleman. No human being will push him around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 See I made a joke about McConkey being popular on the board and no one seemed to get it besides @Clyde Smith and @DrDawkinstein But here we are. Getting ready to hear about him a lot this offseason. Cooper DeJean too...and of course Ricky Pearsall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Hate making these comparisons but I watch Worthy and see Tyreek. Haven’t done a deep dive yet, but would be OK with Worthy or Coleman in the first round. On the fence about Leggett there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I typically am a height-weight-speed type of guy, but I don't care anymore. I just want smart people (running the right routes) and blazing fast. Speed kills and we have none. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 7 minutes ago, Ga boy said: Add Keon Coleman. No human being will push him around. But can he get any separation at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 21 minutes ago, bills6969 said: I like Worthy a lot. He’s also a very good punt returner. assuming Thomas Jr is gone, my top 3 are: 1 Worthy 2 Franklin 3 Lagette The more I watch, the higher I rate Worthy. The weight is a concern, though, if 170-ish is true. I also suspect he'll come in at 5-10 or 5'11, but that doesn't bother me as much. Speed, short area burst and separation would be my priority. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 17 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: See I made a joke about McConkey being popular on the board and no one seemed to get it besides @Clyde Smith and @DrDawkinstein But here we are. Getting ready to hear about him a lot this offseason. Cooper DeJean too...and of course Ricky Pearsall. "Lunch Pail" players 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, Brandon said: But can he get any separation at all? Yes. Against serious competition - LSU, SMU, VT. Mean stuff arm. Kick returner. He will likely be there late first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Can any of these guys actually catch a contested ball? Thats pretty much my only criteria. I put together a spreadsheet of many WR metrics, including stats on their contested ball abilities.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12pCgsJPa9X-jjNMOZ_exJTAEfxmZOeETzEm8SNkuXec/edit?usp=sharing Contested catch % tends to not be very stable, so hard to tell really. For example, these guys were all 50% or higher on contested catches this season (bolded guys that are considered to have at least a remote chance of going in the 1st round): Rome Odunze, Washington Malik Washington, Virginia Marcus Rosemy-Jacksaint, Georgia Luke McCaffrey, Rice Tez Walker, North Carolina Tory Horton, Colorado State Javon Baker, Central Florida Jermaine Burton, Alabama Ainias Smith, Texas A&M Bryson Nesbit, North Carolina Ja'Lynn Polk, Washington Brian Thomas Jr., LSU Ricky Pearsall, Florida Dominic Lovett, Georgia Zakhari Franklin, Ole Miss (barely played this season, but was good at it the prior year) But of those 14, only 3 of them even had 20+ contested targets; it's all small sample size stuff. Also of those 14, only 6 of them managed to catch 50% or higher the prior season: Luke McCaffrey Javon Baker Jermaine Burton Bryson Nesbit Ja'Lynn Polk Brian Thomas Jr. There's also always debate about whether or not that's really something to be prioritized in the draft; it's great if they can make contested catches, but if they're being forced to make those catches in college, it's probably a sign that they'll struggle to get open in the pros. Of the 14 listed above, I would say Rosemy-Jacksaint and Luke McCaffrey should potentially be red flagged for having a high % of their targets that are contested. Tez Walker and Ja'Lynn Polk are borderline red flags IMO. The consensus top 2 WRs in the class, Marvin Harrison Jr. and Malik Nabers, were both over 50% a year ago but were in the 40s this season. Keon Coleman was over 60% a year ago but down to 33% this year. Harrison and Coleman are potential red flags for relying too much on contested targets as well. Nobody relied on contested targets more this past season than Coleman, but he was okay in this regard the year before when he played for Michigan State. Harrison has been in the orange both of the last two years (red being bad, green good, yellow neutral). 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 50 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I put together a spreadsheet of many WR metrics, including stats on their contested ball abilities.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12pCgsJPa9X-jjNMOZ_exJTAEfxmZOeETzEm8SNkuXec/edit?usp=sharing Contested catch % tends to not be very stable, so hard to tell really. For example, these guys were all 50% or higher on contested catches this season (bolded guys that are considered to have at least a remote chance of going in the 1st round): Rome Odunze, Washington Malik Washington, Virginia Marcus Rosemy-Jacksaint, Georgia Luke McCaffrey, Rice Tez Walker, North Carolina Tory Horton, Colorado State Javon Baker, Central Florida Jermaine Burton, Alabama Ainias Smith, Texas A&M Bryson Nesbit, North Carolina Ja'Lynn Polk, Washington Brian Thomas Jr., LSU Ricky Pearsall, Florida Dominic Lovett, Georgia Zakhari Franklin, Ole Miss (barely played this season, but was good at it the prior year) But of those 14, only 3 of them even had 20+ contested targets; it's all small sample size stuff. Also of those 14, only 6 of them managed to catch 50% or higher the prior season: Luke McCaffrey Javon Baker Jermaine Burton Bryson Nesbit Ja'Lynn Polk Brian Thomas Jr. There's also always debate about whether or not that's really something to be prioritized in the draft; it's great if they can make contested catches, but if they're being forced to make those catches in college, it's probably a sign that they'll struggle to get open in the pros. Of the 14 listed above, I would say Rosemy-Jacksaint and Luke McCaffrey should potentially be red flagged for having a high % of their targets that are contested. Tez Walker and Ja'Lynn Polk are borderline red flags IMO. The consensus top 2 WRs in the class, Marvin Harrison Jr. and Malik Nabers, were both over 50% a year ago but were in the 40s this season. Keon Coleman was over 60% a year ago but down to 33% this year. Harrison and Coleman are potential red flags for relying too much on contested targets as well. Nobody relied on contested targets more this past season than Coleman, but he was okay in this regard the year before when he played for Michigan State. Harrison has been in the orange both of the last two years (red being bad, green good, yellow neutral). Thanks! Well done. It feels like Coleman is right around the skill set the Bills are looking for and who’ll be there when we pick…..but I’m far from an expert on the topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Dane Brugler (The Athletic's draft guru) posted a Senior Bowl preview including a section on the WRs. Some cliffnotes: Mentions how Tank Dell and Jayden Reed dominated the Senior Bowl last year and went on to have successful rookie campaigns. Also mentioned Michael Wilson and Puka Nacua consistently making plays and the latter in particular obviously had a great rookie season. Malachi Corley is considered the best senior WR in the draft and some Deebo Samuel-type skills. Keeping an eye on how he tracks deep passes at the Senior Bowl because he didn't do it much in college. Ladd McConkey and Roman Wilson are two that he expects to stand out in practices; currently viewed as Day 2 prospects, undersized but "big time speed and an understanding of how to leverage that speed to get open". Says most NFL teams currently have a 3rd round grade on Xavier Legette; teams will be watching to see if he can create separation at the top of routes at the Senior Bowl. Compares Jacob Cowing Tank Dell due to similar size and blazing speed. Luke McCaffrey is one of the best in the draft at playing through contact. Tez Walker is a likely Day 2 pick thanks to his speed and ball skills. Ricky Pearsall has great hands. "I could keep going (about the WRs) but the word count for the article would get out of hand". Seems like he really loves this class. Behind a pay wall, but if you're subscribed/have other means of getting access, here's the link: https://theathletic.com/5228871/2024/01/29/nfl-draft-2024-senior-bowl-quarterbacks/?access_token=595014 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 16 hours ago, Drew21PA said: Worthy is gonna end up being the best wr in the draft class MHJ will have a career. But look back at the 2014 draft: Cody Latimor Sammy Watkins Mike Evans Odell Beckham Brandon Cooks Kelvin Benjafat Marquise Lee Devin Street Martvavius Bryant Kevin Norwood John Brown Quincy Enunwa Jordan Matthews Davante Adams Allen Robinson Donte Montecrief Jarvis Landry Of those I would love Mike Evans, Davante Adams, Allen Robinson, Jordan Matthews... then like 10 feet of separation: Odell Beckham, Latimor, Brown, Montcrief, Landry... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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