eball Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Love this. Many of us have been "skeptical" (I'm being kind) to the grading system PFF uses to assess NFL players. 6 1 1 7 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 that is money !! JJ Watt for the win !!!!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 9 minutes ago, eball said: Love this. Many of us have been "skeptical" (I'm being kind) to the grading system PFF uses to assess NFL players. Glad someone of Watt’s stature finally said it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 PFF loves Josh Allen, FWIW. Not to defend PFF, but "literally putting a coaches grade next to a PFF grade" doesn't really prove much considering how many meatheads are coaching in the NFL. Coaches are constantly wrong when evaluating talent and situation. 2 3 2 9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 So we don’t like PFF now? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) https://x.com/pff_sam/status/1747719174867079220?s=46&t=rG8S37R56ISI2zmCE2WlYQ PFF’s response (edit: I have no idea why X links don’t embed automatically anymore, sorry guys) Edited January 17 by JoPoy88 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 From the time I watched one of their little YouTube videos, probably about 5 or 6 years ago, and the clowns were claiming "they could tell which teams were going by the PFF draft guide, which was in circulation with all of the NFL GM's and FO's," after a recently completed NFL draft, I knew these guys were full of 💩. I'm thinking it was after the 2018 draft when I stumbled upon that gem. What a bunch of 🤡's, and Collinsworth is the one driving the VW. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Is this really surprising? You can have two NFL coaches grade a player completely differently. Two GM's too. That's why some will trade down in the draft and others will trade up to get the player that the other left there. It doesn't mean PFF sucks. It means HIS coach graded it differently. 1 10 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Madden is likely more accurate than PFF. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 *****. They got Josh rated pretty high. Turns out he sucks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 24 minutes ago, eball said: Love this. Many of us have been "skeptical" (I'm being kind) to the grading system PFF uses to assess NFL players. I know this, you know this, we all know this. The problem is, the coach's grades arent published online for us to use in discussions and arguments. So we gotta start somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 9 minutes ago, Punch said: PFF loves Josh Allen, FWIW. Not to defend PFF, but "literally putting a coaches grade next to a PFF grade" doesn't really prove much considering how many meatheads are coaching in the NFL. Coaches are constantly wrong when evaluating talent and situation. They had Allen rated top QB during the season. So, then they released their "All Pro" roster. For sure, they have graded everyone and this would be accurate, right? First team PFF QB...Lamar Jackson. Ok...ok...so maybe they just cowtowed to the likely MVP...so surely the QB they had rated BT THEIR OWN METRIC was 2nd team. Right? Nope...Dak. PFF literally said...bah we don't even believe our ratings. 2 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 The NFL pays PFF for raw data. There has to be some merit to what they do. It is one evaluation system, a piece, not the gospel. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said: They had Allen rated top QB during the season. So, then they released their "All Pro" roster. For sure, they have graded everyone and this would be accurate, right? First team PFF QB...Lamar Jackson. Ok...ok...so maybe they just cowtowed to the likely MVP...so surely the QB they had rated BT THEIR OWN METRIC was 2nd team. Right? Nope...Dak. PFF literally said...bah we don't even believe our ratings. Trying to see if they can sucker in any new "subscribers" by bumping him up a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 14 minutes ago, Punch said: PFF loves Josh Allen, FWIW. Not to defend PFF, but "literally putting a coaches grade next to a PFF grade" doesn't really prove much considering how many meatheads are coaching in the NFL. Coaches are constantly wrong when evaluating talent and situation. But less wrong than those NOT coaching. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Coaches grades and PFF grades are very different. Also why do people get so worked up over PFF grades? They’re subjective grades from people that have no attachment to the teams. Are players contracts being affected by PFF? Not sure why they’re always a huge topic. I view PFF similarly to analysts breaking down the game or giving opinions. It’s purely entertainment. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 10 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said: So we don’t like PFF now? lol Never liked them no matter what grades are. Even worse when it was constantly mentioned on broadcast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 what is this supposed to prove? all this love/hate for PFF (depending on their pumping/panning Bills players of course) is always good for a laugh... 1 minute ago, Limeaid said: Never liked them no matter what grades are. Even worse when it was constantly mentioned on broadcast. how do your analytical methods of rating/reviewing players differ/disagree with theirs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 13 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: https://x.com/pff_sam/status/1747719174867079220?s=46&t=rG8S37R56ISI2zmCE2WlYQ PFF’s response (edit: I have no idea why X links don’t embed automatically anymore, sorry guys) I got you 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Not PFF specific, but it seemed almost the entire analytics crowd hated Josh Allen when he was coming out of college. Now, by large, the analytics community is constantly defending him whereas most of the criticism he receives comes almost exclusively from former players and talking heads--- typically, the least informed sports commentators wrt anything but the most casual biased stereotypes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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