sven233 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) Admittedly, I haven't gone back and watched the All 22 yet, but he wasn't really noticeable out there last night. But, in all fairness to Von, none of our pass rushers really ever got a sniff of Tua. There were a couple of chances here and there, but it was our DEs using their length to alter the passing lanes making it difficult for Tua to throw the ball where he wanted to on a few occasions. But in terms of rushing the passer, nobody really did that well because the ball was coming out fast. Tua is a 1 read guy a lot of the time. Their offense is schemed up and he basically knows where he is going with the ball before it is even snapped. If you don't take away his first read, the ball is out before the rushers have a chance. Their offense is pretty unique in that way. So, until I get a chance to go through the film a little more thoroughly, I am not going to rag on Von when I really don't remember too many other rushers making plays either. Edited January 9 by sven233 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 10 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Fans are harsh. The guy was dominant last year up until the injury. Milano was twice as dominant as Von as a Bill, pre injury. Still, I am not going to start 58, because he hasnt completely healed from a serious injury. Neither has Von. Not only does he never make a play, he is a liability every time he is on the field. If I was opposing OC, I run everything to Von's side. WTF is Von getting an active spot gameday? As obvious as Knox getting interfered with at goal line by Apple, its plainly obvious 2024 Von is trash. Maybe 2025 Von is better, Im not counting on it. Time and gravity impacts every man, even Von. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 11 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: He sucked. Nothing has or will change. This year you're probably correct, hopefully next year he can get some juice back, he seems like a legit good dude, ya I know the arrest , I wouldn't be surprised if he retired, especially if we won the SB and still has no juice in TC next year, he'd know he's severely handicapping this team w his cap numbers Not sure how that would work cap wise but assuming he'd be completely off the books and possibly get a settlement from Pegula or something Edited January 9 by JerseyBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Is Aaron Maybin still available? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with No Name Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Bills!Win! said: Is Aaron Maybin still available? He's only 35. Maybe it's his time! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 14 hours ago, Ralonzo said: Who? This is it, isn’t it? You CANNOT be invisible as a prominent Pass Rusher in the Playoffs! CAN NOT PLAY! 13 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Fans are harsh. The guy was dominant last year up until the injury. Yup. And now he sure as shite is NOT! Worse, he’s invisible! MUST NOT PLAY again this year! MUST get out of that terrible Albatross contract next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Rudolph has shown a major tendency to hold onto the ball. Miller might have his best chance to do something this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Rudolph has shown a major tendency to hold onto the ball. Miller might have his best chance to do something this week. Going to really hold onto the ball when he doesn't know what he is seeing with coverage. Edited January 9 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) I saw him working hard on a few rushes the other night. Pressuring the pocket. Edited January 9 by foreboding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I respect Von for his career but right now he just isn't good enough. Keep him benched and give his reps to Kingsley Jonathan so we can determine see if he can possibly replace Shaq in 2023. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 15 hours ago, sven233 said: Admittedly, I haven't gone back and watched the All 22 yet, but he wasn't really noticeable out there last night. But, in all fairness to Von, none of our pass rushers really ever got a sniff of Tua. There were a couple of chances here and there, but it was our DEs using their length to alter the passing lanes making it difficult for Tua to throw the ball where he wanted to on a few occasions. But in terms of rushing the passer, nobody really did that well because the ball was coming out fast. Tua is a 1 read guy a lot of the time. Their offense is schemed up and he basically knows where he is going with the ball before it is even snapped. If you don't take away his first read, the ball is out before the rushers have a chance. Their offense is pretty unique in that way. So, until I get a chance to go through the film a little more thoroughly, I am not going to rag on Von when I really don't remember too many other rushers making plays either. Add also that the Dolphins added new wrinkles with all of the misdirection on the running plays, and I think the DL was instructed to hang back a bit and not over-pursue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 4 hours ago, The Jokeman said: I respect Von for his career but right now he just isn't good enough. Keep him benched and give his reps to Kingsley Jonathan so we can determine see if he can possibly replace Shaq in 2023. Why not have them both back ? Neither costs much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I would rather put a CB in Vons DE spot and they would generate more of a pass rush. I just see him run into the tackle and give up. Best case scenario he realizes he's done and retires. He really is absolutely pathetic out there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 18 hours ago, Rew said: It's equally reasonable to believe that he is still recovering and will look better every week and certainly be better next year than he is now. Given his age and injury, it's reasonable to wonder what dropoff he'll eventually have, but pretending that his current condition is his forever condition starts to seem unreasonable. This is all fine until you lean into the bolded. Von really was not any more impactful on Sunday than he was 4-6 weeks ago. There would be next to zero noise about Miller if he has any linear progression. Hell forget linear....just any notable improvement in production. At best Von was meh on Sunday...which is the exact same summary of his game ion October, and then again in November, and then again in December.....and then again in January. Maybe Von comes back improved for 2024, but right now he isn't getting better and he isn't progressing. Full stop. Edited January 9 by Mango 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 16 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: Von Miller isn't close to playing at even replacement level. I'm sure there's guys sitting on couches that could've filled in and done more than him. I still have no idea why McBeane activated him so quickly off IR. Could not have been based on anything they saw in practice. Can we imagine what it would be like if Beane had kept him on IR (season ending) what we'd be like? We'd be talking about how we were misled, lied to, or how the Bills are just too cautious and so on. (I'm not saying you would. Bills fans in general). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 8 hours ago, Bills!Win! said: Is Aaron Maybin still available? True fact. Aaron Maybin generated more QB hits per pass rush snap in his final NFL season, than Von Miller is this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) Tre White also struggled coming back from ACL injury last year. Looked slow and someone who had lost a step. However, he looked like his was normal self this season prior to getting hurt again. Not going to judge Von as it will probably take him till next season to fully get healthy based on his age. Coaching staff will need to determine whether he is worth suiting up if they don't think he can contribute this year and other guys are playing better. Edited January 9 by billieve420 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 5 minutes ago, billieve420 said: Tre White also struggled coming back from ACL injury last year. Looked slow and someone who had lost a step. However, he looked like he was normal self this season prior to getting hurt again. Not going to judge Von as it will probably take him till next season to fully get healthy based on his age. Coaching staff will need to determine whether he is worth suiting up if they don't think he can contribute this year and other guys are playing better. Totally understand that, and I am open to Von being back to his normal self next season and helping us. But right now - this season - he is just wasting a gameday roster spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 58 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Why not have them both back ? Neither costs much Because I think both are bottom of depth chart DEs, we still need at least one starting edge rusher and don't think that Von is that anymore and think we're going to lose Floyd and AJE in UFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cvanvol7 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 7 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Because I think both are bottom of depth chart DEs, we still need at least one starting edge rusher and don't think that Von is that anymore and think we're going to lose Floyd and AJE in UFA. Did anyone notice that AJ played? Wondering if his injury is still bothering him because watching the game I thought he was inactive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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