Detroit Lions @ Dallas Cowboys 8:15 pm

[Aussie Joe]

You have a game with as complex rules as this one … and the officials are going to make mistakes from time to time…actually make that regularly…

 

They stuff up in soccer too which is about 100 times simpler …

[Gman10]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Wrestling is rehearsed.  The opponents rehearse before shows to get it right.

 

When did the Lions and Cowboys rehearse?  At some point in the week, the Bills and Pats have rehearsed for what is going to happen in the game?

Lol watch that video. Im just messing around...ya'll need to lighten up a bit..this is the internet after all!  BTW, great username!

Edited December 31, 2023 by Gman10

[gordong]

7 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

I love the balls on Campbell. I’d take him 10 times out of 10 over McDermott 

sorry but not kicking the extra point to tie the game was dumb after they line up wrong,,,   that as bad as having 12 guys on defense for a kick.

[MikePJ76]

if andy reid did the same thing and the officials didn't screw up who was eligible the national media would be rubbing one out tonight in unison to the genius of Andy Reid.  

 

Instead this will somehow by the middle of the week turn into a mistake by Campbell and the lions.

[muppy]

4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

A breakdown:

 

 

he doesn't want to talk about it all right. AKA he doesn't want to incur a Big Fat FINE. If the officials screwed the pooch on that they deserve every bit of consternation coming their way.

 

ugly Ugly UGLY

[DCOrange]

26 minutes ago, sullim4 said:

 

The ref didn't call it because they thought the lineman was ineligible.

 

If that lineman was indeed eligible, it would have been an illegal formation flag.  This article explains it well: https://www.shakinthesouthland.com/2012/5/10/3012755/inside-the-clemson-offense-tackle-eligible-formation#:~:text=Covered and uncovered are as,eligible to receive forward passes.

You’re not interpreting the article correctly. If Decker was covered by a WR, it would have made him an ineligible WR. He wasn’t covered though, so if he reported as the replay seems to indicate, he would have been an eligible receiver and no illegal formation would have occurred. 

[NeverOutNick]

7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

A breakdown:

 

 

Ref just doing what he wants. No need to actually pay attention to detail when your responsible for enforcing rules at the highest level of a sporting event

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, NeverOutNick said:

Ref just doing what he wants. No need to actually pay attention to detail when your responsible for enforcing rules at the highest level of a sporting event

Exactly this. Ref needs to make sure who’s reporting. He rushed it.

[stevestojan]

30 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The Lions could've been flagged 15 yards on that 2 pt conversion and Campbell would've still gone for it.  There's a fine line between aggressive and stupid.

Oh I fully believe that line is exactly Dan Campbell wide. 
 

I thought he was going to cry (again) or scream at that presser. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

4 minutes ago, zow2 said:

 

 We don’t know what the Detroit Olinemen said but it’s weird he would walk up to the ref and not report.  

Three lineman walk up to the ref and we don’t know what any of the three say. Lions could have avoided all of this by only having one lineman walk up to the ref. Then we would no for certain who reported even without audio. 

[muppy]

20 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Don’t hold your breath on accountability. ESPN has been busy making excuses since it happened. 

protect the SHIELD

 

what a huge crock of baloney. I'm pretty livid and it's not even my team. Just UGH

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Can we also just remove officiating experts from explaining stuff to us during the game? I swear they’re wrong half the time.

 

 

[DCOrange]

19 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

But we’re all assuming stuff. 70 also goes to the ref. The ref you can see looks right at 70.

 

Why did 3 lineman go to the ref? What did 70 say to the ref?

It sounds like 70 ran over to the ref to trick the defense into thinking he was the one reporting, but Campbell had warned the ref in advance that it would be 68 actually reporting and you can see 68 is the one actually speaking to the ref. 

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Can we also just remove officiating experts from explaining stuff to us during the game? I swear they’re wrong half the time.

 

 

Post of the day 👍

[Punch]

24 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Don’t hold your breath on accountability. ESPN has been busy making excuses since it happened. 

Scott Van Pelt pushed back hard against officiating analyst John Parry when Parry blamed Taylor Decker during ESPN's post-game discussion. 

[DCOrange]

19 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

that doesn't really make sense though because they announce the player who is eligible and i think if i remember correctly they said skipper before the snap.

The Schwartz brothers (former OL guys) were tweeting about this after the game. Basically said offenses do this because between the adrenaline and the crowd noise, players can’t hear/willfully don’t listen to who they’re announcing as eligible so if you’re slick about it, you can trick them. They should be able to tell based off the formation anyways but Detroit motioned Sewell over to the line late in the pre-snap to cause confusion on that front too. 

[JROC INTEL]

Seriously so many games come down to refs or rules, how many times are we going to have these conversations without just admitting it’s a major flaw of the sport itself. These conversations are beyond predictable. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

What’s funny is that play wasn’t even the Lions top play!!! McCarthy called timeout right before the snap before they could run their top play.

[mikemac2001]

4 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

It sounds like 70 ran over to the ref to trick the defense into thinking he was the one reporting, but Campbell had warned the ref in advance that it would be 68 actually reporting and you can see 68 is the one actually speaking to the ref. 

Then that sounds like a smart play and don’t they announce who reports 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

It sounds like 70 ran over to the ref to trick the defense into thinking he was the one reporting, but Campbell had warned the ref in advance that it would be 68 actually reporting and you can see 68 is the one actually speaking to the ref. 

We don’t know exactly what Campbell said pre game but that was 3-4 hours earlier. He probably should’ve reminded him before the drive or during a timeout.

[pigpen65]

That ref crew is rigging games.

[Punch]

It's haunting that the refs' ineptitude basically threatens to swing any close game.

 

[DCOrange]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

We don’t know exactly what Campbell said pre game but that was 3-4 hours earlier. He probably should’ve reminded him before the drive or during a timeout.

Definitely agreed with that. It’s not the refs job to remember something that was mentioned to him nearly 4 hours earlier.

 

Having said that, it looks like Decker is telling the ref he’s reporting while Skipper is innocently running in his direction not saying anything at all. THAT is definitely on the refs to get right regardless of Campbell’s warning. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, Punch said:

It's haunting that the refs' ineptitude basically threatens to swing any close game.

 

Here’s the thing, the refs are screwed if they get the flag right or wrong. Their best bet is to just not throw the flag. Unless it’s a play like the Saints got screwed on a while back then no one will care if no call is made.

[MikePJ76]

wow u can see goff telling decker to go report here and he goes over and does it in the other videos

 

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

8 minutes ago, JROC INTEL said:

Seriously so many games come down to refs or rules, how many times are we going to have these conversations without just admitting it’s a major flaw of the sport itself. These conversations are beyond predictable. 

 

of all the officials I know they always say they love basketball officiating for the speed of the game and football for the rules and mechanics.

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

wow u can see goff telling decker to go report here and he goes over and does it in the other videos

 

 

Yes, we know Decker likely reported but the issue was 3 linemen are acting like they’re reporting. It was a trick and they tricked the ref.

 

Ref should’ve confirmed who was eligible.

[MikePJ76]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Yes, we know Decker likely reported but the issue was 3 linemen are acting like they’re reporting. It was a trick and they tricked the ref.

 

Ref should’ve confirmed who was eligible.

they didn't trick brad allen.

 

allen screwed up who reported eligible.

 

the fact that he was told they were doing this in pregame makes it even worse since he should have been expecting it.

 

but hey jimmy johnson went into the redneck ring of honor and that is what really matters.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Honestly, not caring who won this game, I am a bit happy that the Lions foolish trickery backfired and they ended up fooling the ref.
 

Just send one lineman to report. Hopefully McDermott is taking notes.
 

Not sure how we have typically handled lineman reporting in the past. I do think we were flagged on one earlier in the year ourselves. 

1 minute ago, MikePJ76 said:

they didn't trick brad allen.

 

 

100% they did.

 

if they only send one lineman instead of three this doesn’t happen. 

[NeverOutNick]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Yes, we know Decker likely reported but the issue was 3 linemen are acting like they’re reporting. It was a trick and they tricked the ref.

 

Ref should’ve confirmed who was eligible.

In a play where the paid rules analyst comes on and states “there was no reason to rush anything because the clock was stopped so that eligible players could be reported to the defense”…why was the ref in such a hurry? Why didn’t he make sure he knew what was going on? Why so quick to throw a flag if you weren’t sure?

 

Mr. Allen you sir are fake and no longer need to be an NFL referee 

[HappyDays]

Just ridiculous how the NFL finds new and exciting ways to screw up big moments in big games. And it always seems to hurt the same teams.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

This is wild. He is actually answering questions and believes 100% that 70 reported, not 68.

 

 

[Motorin']

9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

This is wild. He is actually answering questions and believes 100% that 70 reported, not 68.

 

 

 

68 wasn't lined up in an eligible position to go out for a pass. 

 

Doesn't matter which one reports, the only way a lineman can catch a pass is if they're lined up in the TE, WR or RB position and they report.

 

The reason they are reporting is because they have a jersey # that isn't eligible to lineup in the TE, FB or WR spot. 

 

The players lined up in the C, G or OT positions are never eligible to catch a pass. 

Edited December 31, 2023 by Motorin'

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, Motorin' said:

 

68 wasn't lined up in an eligible position to go out for a pass. 

 

Doesn't matter which one reports, the only way a lineman can catch a pass is if they're lined up in the TE, WR or RB position. 

 

The player lined up in the C, G or OT position is never eligible to catch a pass. 

68 was legal if he reported. The illegal formation they actually called was on 70 because they thought he reported. He was covered up. Can’t have 2 eligible WRs on the line. They thought 70 was eligible because the ref said he reported.

[chongli]

LOl. In reference to 68 reporting/not reporting as eligible, Football Zebras responds like a boss:

 

The tweet he replied to, now deleted, just said if Football Zebras is going to blindly support the refs, he is unfollowing him.

Edited December 31, 2023 by chongli

[LabattBlue]

Campbell is a moron.  With a #1 seed still in the sights, you kick the extra point. This “going for the win” crap is something reserved for teams whose seasons are lost. I hope Detroit gets bounced in the 1st round. 

[bills742]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

This is wild. He is actually answering questions and believes 100% that 70 reported, not 68.

 

 

I don't think he would admit making a mistake so he's just covering for himself.

[MikePJ76]

I just want to add besides the absurd ending, the officials missed a blatant PI on jourdan lewis.  He was all over the lions wr before and after the ball was thrown and there was no flag...they just let dallas do it on that final drive but the lions overcame it.  

 

I really hope Detroit gets a shot at them again.  If Dallas wins in the wc round and detroit does too if the seahawks were to be the 7 and upset philly which is a 50 50 game Dallas would go to detroit and seattle to SF.   This would be great.

[Nitro]

People will be fired in the off season for this.  The NFL referees have had a very bad season.  Looks like the league should do an overhaul of the officiating.   

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, LabattBlue said:

Campbell is a moron.  With a #1 seed still in the sights, you kick the extra point. This “going for the win” crap is something reserved for teams whose seasons are lost. I hope Detroit gets bounced in the 1st round. 

 

Statistics say go for 2 there because you don't even know for sure if you'll get the ball in OT. If you do you have to execute an entire drive. A lot can go wrong. One play for 7 yards for the win gives you the best shot even though it's not ideal. It's not as clear cut as it would be from the 2 but I understand his decision.