4merper4mer Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 27 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The point is that this isn’t the season he’s wildly underperforming, so yes…it is a serious argument. he’s not being benched for his performance this year, as you know they tried to do this in October and he obviously said no way—NFLPA and his agent got them to back off. They did it anyway. Then likely high Sean Payton serves up an insane load of BS by saying he’s benching a healthy Wilson for Stidham because the most important thing is winning games. That franchise is becoming a bigger joke than the two in New Jersey. Still mad at Denver for that AFCCG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 7 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Well.. I hope the fact that he is still young makes them feel better for blowing all that money on a dud Amen to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 22 minutes ago, H2o said: If you were following the rest of what we're talking about, then the comprehension part might be there for you you compared 8 years of nothing capped by one good year to all of Wilson’s career 19 minutes ago, NoSaint said: so we are arguing that Payton is benching him for 2022? come on Weo, I know you’ve got better in there hes benching him because of financial reasons only 19 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said: You compared Russ Wilson to Patrick Mahomes but some one else comparing Russell Wilson to Geno Smith is bizarre? I’m trying to figure out if you guys understand why they benched Wilson… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 I think early in his career everyone agreed that Russell was on course to be a HOFer. I think at this point it’s safe to say his prospects are cooked outside of some late success, a la Kurt Warner (who IMO should not be a HOFer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Seahawks made out! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 36 minutes ago, ganesh said: They beat us Shhh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I’m trying to figure out if you guys understand why they benched Wilson… No doubt his benching is 90% financial but also, the times I watched Russ he looked like crap and that's the other part of the story. The only time I saw him where he looked good was in the 4th quarter of the New England game. His numbers are misleading at best... he never passed the eyeball test. Russ has some nice skill position guys that he wasn't able to utilize... Javonte Williams, Samaje Perine, and Jaleel McLaughlin are talented backs and Sutton, Jeudy, and Mims are talented receivers. He never established a rapport with any of these guys. Had Russ been able to assimilate into the Payton system and lead the team to the playoffs, I don't think it's a certainty that he'd be getting jettisoned. Yes he's overpaid but that's because his performance hasn't come close to his compensation. Finally Payton inherited Russ... it was clear from his early season statements that he wasn't a big fan and I thought from the start that this relationship wouldn't work out. I actually expected to see Stidham earlier than week 16. JMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Defense Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) I said on the day of the trade and forever after--worst trade in NFL history, giving up a king's ransom for a player I had thought the Seahawks would cut or waive before the season started. If I was a Broncos fan and it was a straight up trade for their good tight end, Fant, I would have been angry, but he was just a tiny part of the bounty Seattle (and Wilson) received. Not Peyton's fault the Broncos made such a monumentally poor move. But Wilson should thank him, as he resurrected his career after last year's disaster. Shows you what a good coach can do. Now there may be some teams in need of a good backup who will add Wilson--or even a team desperate for a low level starter? Edited December 28, 2023 by Mister Defense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Ew how did we lose to that ham 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 10 hours ago, FilthyBeast said: Considering the Broncos are very much alive for the playoffs they are basically making the decision to move from Wilson now. Regardless I actually though he had a solid bounce back type of year and can't blame him for losing to the Patriots. I read the reason was because of a $37 million injury clause in his contract not sure exactly what or how that is written in but given those that are coming out next year & that Wilson wasn't the guy that the new HC wanted along with the amount of money he is getting i can't say this surprises me . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 9 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: That is Wilson post June hit. Broncos would need to carry $85M until they can split it after June 1st. If they are truly doing that, they are tanking in 2024. They would need to release and/or trade a good amount of their big money players. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/russell-wilson-9885/ You're right. This move screams tank. I'm a Wilson fan but what he is being paid doesn't match with the results on the field. I think Payton was brought in to chase him out of town. The Broncos have no talent at the skill positions and play a 1980s offense when the rest of the league is going 4 and 5 wide. I will mark them as my tank team for next year's survivor pool a la the 2023 Cardinals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 3 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: Zach Wilson, beats the Bills gets benched Mac Jones, beats the Bills gets benched Russel Wilson, beats the Bills gets benched How is it that the Bills are the highlight of the season for these bums? Apparently we’re everyone’s Super Bowl. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: you compared 8 years of nothing capped by one good year to all of Wilson’s career. Let me try kindergarten terms for you. Russ with Pete, good. Russ without Pete, bad. Geno without Pete, bad. For 8 years he was bad. As soon as Geno with Pete, good. And that's EXACTLY what I'm saying. Pete Carroll made Russell Wilson look better than what he actually was. Just like Pete took a JAG and made him one of the top QB's in the NFC last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) Payton was going to keep pushing Russ until he either broke or pushed back. I don't think he cares about a "G Golly Willikers" middle of the road QB's feelings. While he is kind of a complete a-hole I don't know if that was the wrong approach. I think he wanted something at the position as far as leadership. He certainly wanted something as far as performance. Given Russ's contract I think his goal was to make sure he got both and he wasn't afraid to push for that outcome. Again, sort of an a-hole, but some people will push and grow from it. Edited December 28, 2023 by Mikie2times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 Wilson will get signed. And he will start somewhere in 2024. But he won't make it a full season there either because he is done. Personally if I was a GM no way in the world I'd touch him. 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: you compared 8 years of nothing capped by one good year to all of Wilson’s career hes benching him because of financial reasons only I’m trying to figure out if you guys understand why they benched Wilson… Nah he benched him because he is bad. Yes they are protecting themselves against the injury guarantee - sure. But they wouldn't need to do that if he was good. He is garbage. Hence they are moving on. Hence the finance becomes an issue. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 6 hours ago, BBFL said: Seahawks made out! Gotta say Carroll isn’t an idiot. Unless it’s the Super Bowl and he chooses to throw a pass versus feeding Beast Mode! Sick part is Wilson gets paid 37 million next season regardless. The guaranteed money in play is for 2025 and it makes me wonder why the broncos would agree to that in a contract? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 56 minutes ago, davefan66 said: Gotta say Carroll isn’t an idiot. Unless it’s the Super Bowl and he chooses to throw a pass versus feeding Beast Mode! Sick part is Wilson gets paid 37 million next season regardless. The guaranteed money in play is for 2025 and it makes me wonder why the broncos would agree to that in a contract? The reality is he has already been paid most of that money. Only $17m, which is his 2024 salary (full guaranteed) is actually to be paid next year. The rest (signing and option bonus) he already has in his bank account and it is just accounted for on the cap next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, H2o said: And what did Geno do last year after doing absolutely NOTHING for an entire 8 year career? 69.8% completion rate, almost 4,300 yds, and 30 TD's. Sorry. No, I will not give Russ more credit. Maybe you didn't watch enough of Russ throughout his career? He wasn't some Geno Smith 1-year wonder. Come on, man. You're better than that. Edited December 28, 2023 by Chicken Boo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: you compared 8 years of nothing capped by one good year to all of Wilson’s career hes benching him because of financial reasons only I’m trying to figure out if you guys understand why they benched Wilson… because his expected contributions going forward don’t mesh with his financial compensation and they don’t want to risk the associated commitment long term so it’s not purely financial. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, davefan66 said: Gotta say Carroll isn’t an idiot. Unless it’s the Super Bowl and he chooses to throw a pass versus feeding Beast Mode! Sick part is Wilson gets paid 37 million next season regardless. The guaranteed money in play is for 2025 and it makes me wonder why the broncos would agree to that in a contract? Think they thought that some semblance of QB play would have gotten them into the postseason with the way their defense had been playing the years prior to the trade. I’ve tried to find it but can’t come up with results quickly, I’ll do a deeper dive here and see what I can’t get, but I read something at the end of last season where Denver lost 9 games by a single score or less and if they had averaged 24 points a game they would have been in play for the #1 seed come the final two weeks of the year. Granted none of the scoring averages matters cause games always would unfold differently if a play was made where one wasn’t. But I do find it interesting that you trade all these assets for a QB but lose NINE one score games. Let’s say they win 2/3 of those games, that puts them at 11-6. 100% in the playoffs as the #5 seed. Instead… they got Wilson and then trade more assets to acquire Payton to make it work. Might be one of the worst trades in NFL history. Especially when you factor that coaching handcuff. Absolutely bonkers. Edited December 28, 2023 by BBFL 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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