Roundybout Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 The 2020-2022 Bills had an identity. We would step right up to you, throw it down your throat, and dare you to match us. Josh Allen would drop back and throw 12 times in a row. We did trick plays (remember the Statue of Liberty against the Broncos in 2020?), we did misdirection, we did bombs. Didn’t matter, we dared other teams to stop it. Who are we now? What are we good at? Once we have a positive play, that pathetic pencil-neck loser we call an OC pretends it’s 1978 and calls a shotgun draw to Latavius Murray to negate it. We have taken our best weapon and neutered him. We refuse to let him run, we refuse to let him be chaotic, we refuse to let him make plays. We have put Allen in a cage. We don’t have an identity anymore. We have a milquetoast attitude of “well maybe we can match you, I guess.” We have no swagger, no guts. Everything is walking on eggshells. One thing goes wrong, the whole drive falls apart. Our coaching has failed us. Dorsey should be fired immediately. He does not deserve to wear our colors. McD’s seat is flaming hot. He turned the ship around in 2021. He better do it again. The core of this roster has maybe one more season in it before we need to rebuild it. Go find our identity again. Go back to making teams fear our air attack. 1 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) They're trying to fix what was never broken. I hope they're freekin happy with "balance" and running because they SUCK on offense now in exchange for balance. Handcuff josh until there is 7 mins left in the game and we only have 10 pts. Bills coaching outsmarting themselves. Screw the process. Edited October 23, 2023 by Goin Breakdown 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 This is coming from McD. After Josh went bombs away against the Jets, McD told Dorsey and Josh to “take what the defense gives you.” Dorsey was called a lunatic for all the deep shots he called last year. McDermott wants to win with running and D. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 Just now, Goin Breakdown said: They're trying to fix what was never broken. I'm hope they're freekin happy with "balance" and running because they SUCK on offense now in exchange for balance. Handcuff josh until there is 7 mins left in the game and we only have 10 pts. Bills coaching outsmarting themselves. Screw the process. They listened to boomer WGR callers crying about “complementary football” and “running the football.” We castrated our strength. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Philosophy needs to be pass first 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Roundybout said: They listened to boomer WGR callers crying about “complementary football” and “running the football.” We castrated our strength. Yep and I hate it. I don't follow other teams super close but i can't think of another team that has taken the best part of the team and said "nope can't do that anymore". It's insane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Goin Breakdown said: Yep and I hate it. I don't follow other teams super close but i can't think of another team that has taken the best part of the team and said "nope can't do that anymore". It's insane It’s like telling Hill and Waddle to only run 5 yard post routes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauleeeWalnuts Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 They neutered Josh and ruined the offense. Even they don’t know who they are anymore 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Roundybout said: It’s like telling Hill and Waddle to only run 5 yard post routes. Haha. Run slower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said: Yep and I hate it. I don't follow other teams super close but i can't think of another team that has taken the best part of the team and said "nope can't do that anymore". It's insane yup. He didn’t need to hurdle guys 10 yards short of sticks on 3rd down, or lower the shoulder after the first… teach the guy when to slide or step out of bounds and let him do it 6-8 times a game. Sometimes even as a called play. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 It’s the hangover of that Week 1 Jets loss where he beat himself … where he could have literally taken a knee every play in the 2nd half , punted every drive and still won the game They told him “no more Superman” … but they forgot that Superman wins them games regularly as well… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 yea ive got nothing. no clue what the ***** is going on and i want off the mcdorsey ride Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLieve85 Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 What you don’t believe in 12 personnel?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonkillebrew Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Dorsey sucks. But the WRs suck too. Josh needs a reliable outlet on every play, to account for blitzes. It used to be Beasely, every friggin play. Now, I'm not sure. Hopefully Kincaid can get there. You need to make teams pay for blitzing. Then, you need some real downfield and YAC threats. The talent at pass catcher is really bad. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, BILLieve85 said: What you don’t believe in 12 personnel?! I would if we used it like Hernandez/Gronk instead of whatever the hell Dorsey is doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Gonna go with a dramatic prose: This team looks like a ship lost at sea in the night with no captain aboard to lead and its first mate flailing wildly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 20 minutes ago, Roundybout said: The 2020-2022 Bills had an identity. We would step right up to you, throw it down your throat, and dare you to match us. Josh Allen would drop back and throw 12 times in a row. We did trick plays (remember the Statue of Liberty against the Broncos in 2020?), we did misdirection, we did bombs. Didn’t matter, we dared other teams to stop it. Who are we now? What are we good at? Once we have a positive play, that pathetic pencil-neck loser we call an OC pretends it’s 1978 and calls a shotgun draw to Latavius Murray to negate it. We have taken our best weapon and neutered him. We refuse to let him run, we refuse to let him be chaotic, we refuse to let him make plays. We have put Allen in a cage. We don’t have an identity anymore. We have a milquetoast attitude of “well maybe we can match you, I guess.” We have no swagger, no guts. Everything is walking on eggshells. One thing goes wrong, the whole drive falls apart. Our coaching has failed us. Dorsey should be fired immediately. He does not deserve to wear our colors. McD’s seat is flaming hot. He turned the ship around in 2021. He better do it again. The core of this roster has maybe one more season in it before we need to rebuild it. Go find our identity again. Go back to making teams fear our air attack. This is true, but I am actually seeing every week this team slowly figure that out, especially on offense. It is painful to watch. But I have a feeling that we are close to seeing something click here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Ballin Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said: Dorsey sucks. But the WRs suck too. Josh needs a reliable outlet on every play, to account for blitzes. It used to be Beasely, every friggin play. Now, I'm not sure. Hopefully Kincaid can get there. You need to make teams pay for blitzing. Then, you need some real downfield and YAC threats. The talent at pass catcher is really bad. I agree that Dorsey sucks. I disagree that our WRs suck. We have Stefon Diggs, Kincaid, James Cook, and Hardy. We're ok among those guys. Dawson Knox and Gabe Davis wipe away our positives. Those 2 gotta go especially Dawson Knox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: This is true, but I am actually seeing every week this team slowly figure that out, especially on offense. It is painful to watch. But I have a feeling that we are close to seeing something click here. Shouldnt have to “figure anything out” - just do what worked in 2020! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLieve85 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, Roundybout said: I would if we used it like Hernandez/Gronk instead of whatever the hell Dorsey is doing Oh I agree. The personnel choices are maddening. Grr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Williams Available Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 The whole trying to get more balance by getting a running game going has worked but it also inexplicably monkey-wrenched the passing game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Shouldnt have to “figure anything out” - just do what worked in 2020! In 2020, what was key was having more of a zone blocking scheme, being RPO heavy, and having Beasley in his prime. People forget how huge Beasley was to this offense. we could certainly try to replicate a lot of that, but the personnel now is different. That said, we actually have the ability to do a lot of other things better, like run the football and playaction. 5 minutes ago, Best Williams Available said: The whole trying to get more balance by getting a running game going has worked but it also inexplicably monkey-wrenched the passing game. Great point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazinBill Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Who would of thought the key to stopping Josh Allen was to just have him coached by Ken Dorsey - oh that's right me and anyone after week 10 last year- dude has no clue how to game plan - way to go ass clown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Williams Available Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, Best Williams Available said: The whole trying to get more balance by getting a running game going has worked but it also inexplicably monkey-wrenched the passing game. Opposing coaches know Cook isn’t going to win the Bills games so they give that sh*t up no problem. It’s bait that our dumb coaches take, keeping productive snaps out of the hands of the guy who can single handedly win games and that coaches fear. The run game is a mirage. Our coaches think it’s some saving Grace when it’s actually our Achilles heel. Just now, BlazinBill said: Who would of thought the key to stopping Josh Allen was to just have him coached by Ken Dorsey - oh that's right me and anyone after week 10 last year- dude has no clue how to game plan - way to go ass clown The key to stopping him is giving his snaps to RBs. Dudes team production is down like 8% this year. Guess where that production went? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazinBill Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, Best Williams Available said: Opposing coaches know Cook isn’t going to win the Bills games so they give that sh*t up no problem. It’s bait that our dumb coaches take, keeping productive snaps out of the hands of the guy who can single handedly win games and that coaches fear. The run game is a mirage. Our coaches think it’s some saving Grace when it’s actually our Achilles heel. The key to stopping him is giving his snaps to RBs. Dudes team production is down like 8% this year. Guess where that production went? I give up- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Williams Available Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, BlazinBill said: I give up- I think I’m agreeing with you but maybe not on the specific point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazinBill Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Best Williams Available said: I think I’m agreeing with you but maybe not on the specific point I was just giving up guessing - I'm a little in the giving up hase currently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBob806 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Bills' identity is hoping Allen to Diggs results in TDs. That's about it. I said that after the opener. I think Allen wants Diggs happy. So he looks there first 85% of the time. Ten games to go. Spread the damn ball around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 23, 2023 Author Share Posted October 23, 2023 24 minutes ago, DrBob806 said: Bills' identity is hoping Allen to Diggs results in TDs. That's about it. I said that after the opener. I think Allen wants Diggs happy. So he looks there first 85% of the time. Ten games to go. Spread the damn ball around. I guess but doesn’t matter. Just get the ball out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 It fits this discussion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Roundybout said: Who are we now? What are we good at? We seem to excel at getting the whole to equal less than the sum of the parts on offense. Edited October 23, 2023 by PBF81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: It fits this discussion. Last year, we all complained that dorsey would call long passing plays when the game situation didn’t call for it. He was a lunatic! Now we complain about how Dorsey is stifling Josh. That’s not Dorsey. That’s McDermott, who got all the ammunition he needed after that week 1 game. It was also McD’s conflict with Daboll. McD wants to win with ball control O and D. 4 minutes ago, NUT said: McDermott finally got what he wanted. A boring offense. Too bad it is a losing offense. I can’t believe that I’m agreeing with you, but this is all McDermott. Dorsey, if he had his way, would call 15 deep shots a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, FrenchConnection said: Last year, we all complained that dorsey would call long passing plays when the game situation didn’t call for it. He was a lunatic! Now we complain about how Dorsey is stifling Josh. That’s not Dorsey. That’s McDermott, who got all the ammunition he needed after that week 1 game. It was also McD’s conflict with Daboll. McD wants to win with ball control O and D. I can’t believe that I’m agreeing with you, but this is all McDermott. Dorsey, if he had his way, would call 15 deep shots a game. I do wonder how much of that is down to McDermott trying to protect the defense because of the lack of manpower. The Dolphins game seemed to be the peak but White went down. Then Milano and Jones were lost in London followed by Oliver this week. So the idea is the offense build up the TOP to protect the defense. But the problem is that approach neuters the offense. Let the offense play naturally and trust them to win a shootout if need be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Roundybout said: The 2020-2022 Bills had an identity. We would step right up to you, throw it down your throat, and dare you to match us. Josh Allen would drop back and throw 12 times in a row. We did trick plays (remember the Statue of Liberty against the Broncos in 2020?), we did misdirection, we did bombs. Didn’t matter, we dared other teams to stop it. Who are we now? What are we good at? Once we have a positive play, that pathetic pencil-neck loser we call an OC pretends it’s 1978 and calls a shotgun draw to Latavius Murray to negate it. We have taken our best weapon and neutered him. We refuse to let him run, we refuse to let him be chaotic, we refuse to let him make plays. We have put Allen in a cage. We don’t have an identity anymore. We have a milquetoast attitude of “well maybe we can match you, I guess.” We have no swagger, no guts. Everything is walking on eggshells. One thing goes wrong, the whole drive falls apart. Our coaching has failed us. Dorsey should be fired immediately. He does not deserve to wear our colors. McD’s seat is flaming hot. He turned the ship around in 2021. He better do it again. The core of this roster has maybe one more season in it before we need to rebuild it. Go find our identity again. Go back to making teams fear our air attack. Like I've been saying since last year... This team is mentally weak. To me, that's their identity now. They can't handle adversity. Like any adversity at all. And the defense has been gutted with injuries to add on to the offenses woes. They are in a doom loop right now. Self fulfilling prophecy. They are beat before they step out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, harmonkillebrew said: Dorsey sucks. But the WRs suck too. Josh needs a reliable outlet on every play, to account for blitzes. It used to be Beasely, every friggin play. Now, I'm not sure. Hopefully Kincaid can get there. You need to make teams pay for blitzing. Then, you need some real downfield and YAC threats. The talent at pass catcher is really bad. Dorsey is worse than Hacket if that's even possible. After Diggs, our wrs suck and can't get separation. Josh is being told to go 2 opposite directions at the same time. McD is a joke and allowed this OL to suck for 5+ years so he could load up his defensive toys. Half of which got injured. There will be a reckoning after this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) Since 2022, the Bills are 19-6 when Josh runs the ball more than 5 times. That’s almost a 75% win rate. THAT is the identity to the teams success with him as our QB. Edited October 23, 2023 by BBFL sp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I don't mind Murray but I'd prefer they stick with Cook. The volume he gets is fine, no need to "add another dimension" with bigger backs in the natural course of action unless a specific situation calls for it. In fact, they've removed a dimension by nerfing Josh to an extent. That's the lack of identity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Goin Breakdown said: They're trying to fix what was never broken. I hope they're freekin happy with "balance" and running because they SUCK on offense now in exchange for balance. Handcuff josh until there is 7 mins left in the game and we only have 10 pts. Bills coaching outsmarting themselves. Screw the process. It’s crazy how good this offense is when they HAVE TO SCORE in panic time - they move up the ball at will. They did it vs the Jags, vs the Giants and today. Even at the end Allen should’ve completely that 40yd bomb to Diggs. There is definitely a disconnect early on with this offense. But when the pressure is on we perform. And it’s normally up tempo. Why is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, bobobonators said: It’s crazy how good this offense is when they HAVE TO SCORE in panic time - they move up the ball at will. They did it vs the Jags, vs the Giants and today. Even at the end Allen should’ve completely that 40yd bomb to Diggs. There is definitely a disconnect early on with this offense. But when the pressure is on we perform. And it’s normally up tempo. Why is that? It's coaching. They're overthinking. They're taking away the backyard style Josh excels at. Mahomes does it and they all gush over him. Allen does it and our own fricken coaches tell him to stop. Screw this staff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, bobobonators said: It’s crazy how good this offense is when they HAVE TO SCORE in panic time - they move up the ball at will. They did it vs the Jags, vs the Giants and today. Even at the end Allen should’ve completely that 40yd bomb to Diggs. There is definitely a disconnect early on with this offense. But when the pressure is on we perform. And it’s normally up tempo. Why is that? Being devil’s advocate, I think they’re trying to learn how to play a more sustainable style on offense and it’s proving difficult. I am for this philosophical change on offense, in theory, but the play selection and execution doesn’t seem to jive so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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