buffblue Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Has anyone had a good look at the replay? It seemed live that Allen had Shakir open immediately but didn't see it, then soft balled the throw when he did target him. Seemed similar to a play with Harty earlier in the year. I know it didn't impact the result in the end, but is Allen picking up on sure fire opportunities in the red zone too late? Another comparison would be the McKenzie dirt throw in Miami last year (though exhaustion likely played a factor there). Not intending this to be a critical post of Allen, who I thought played well again today and was far from the problem for the Bills. 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Defender made a great open field tackle… To quote JA… the other guys get paid too 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 I think you’re taking an example and casting a net out like it’s some kind of big problem. It’s not a problem. Not even close. There will be times when Allen doesn’t make a good play. Shocking I know. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, buffblue said: Has anyone had a good look at the replay? It seemed live that Allen had Shakir open immediately but didn't see it, then soft balled the throw when he did target him. Seemed similar to a play with Harty earlier in the year. I know it didn't impact the result in the end, but is Allen picking up on sure fire opportunities in the red zone too late? Another comparison would be the McKenzie dirt throw in Miami last year (though exhaustion likely played a factor there). Not intending this to be a critical post of Allen, who I thought played well again today and was far from the problem for the Bills. He was a tad late getting it out (and not even sure Shakir was looking that fast) but the defender made a great break and outstanding open field tackle. Really in that situation you are hoping your guy can make one person miss in the open field. Shakir could not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted October 8, 2023 Author Share Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Beast said: I think you’re taking an example and casting a net out like it’s some kind of big problem. It’s not a problem. Not even close. There will be times when Allen doesn’t make a good play. Shocking I know. Fair enough. Just seemed to me (without the benefit of replay again) that he didn't look at the side of the field where Shakir was running wide open. I also only bring this up because Shakir seemed so open that it looked like the play was designed to go to him. Edited October 8, 2023 by buffblue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Allen needed to lead him and Shakir would’ve gotten it, but I think he just thought what we all thought.. that Shakir could walk in. Misread it, imo. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 1 minute ago, buffblue said: Fair enough. Just seemed to me (again, without the benefit of replay again) that he didn't look at the side of the field where Shakir was running wide open. I also only bring this up because Shakir seemed so open that it looked like the play was designed to go to him. If that play is going to work Allen has to hold guys initially with his eyes. He can't look that way immediately or more defenders will flow that way quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Should have been a bullet throw rather than a lob. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Doesn’t matter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Watching it live it looked like it was there if the ball came out sooner with some zip. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Josh's timing AND accuracy on those swing type passes is really bad. He's not a natural at them at all. Scrub em from the playbook, there are many other ways to get 2 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted October 8, 2023 Author Share Posted October 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, arcane said: Josh's timing AND accuracy on those swing type passes is really bad. He's not a natural at them at all. Scrub em from the playbook, there are many other ways to get 2 yards. It's not his best area. Overall it just felt like everything was off today. I mostly blame the OC as the early stagnancy really cost us, but to be fair you can't ignore the lack of execution across the whole offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 If Allen sees it, throws it a tad earlier and with a lower trajectory and a higher velocity it looked like Shakir would have had it in stride to the front corner pylon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Repulsif Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 From my point of view in the stadium Allen took too much time, he was overfixing the middle and should have zip the ball instead of lob it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted October 8, 2023 Author Share Posted October 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Repulsif said: From my point of view in the stadium Allen took too much time, he was overfixing the middle and should have zip the ball instead of lob it Watching from my couch, I agree lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 The play was probably designed to be delayed Shakir just sucks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 1 hour ago, buffblue said: Has anyone had a good look at the replay? It seemed live that Allen had Shakir open immediately but didn't see it, then soft balled the throw when he did target him. Seemed similar to a play with Harty earlier in the year. I saw two things on this play. First, Tupac stayed in the flat too long, he needed to stem the route to the EZ. Second, Josh threw the ball about 1 second late. That gave the Jagoff time to close the distance and make a solid tackle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 No one finds it weird on 2 pt conversion it looked like a designed play to guy at the bottom of our depth chart. Looked like it was there then it wasn’t. Over the past 3 weeks of trying to get Harty involved in play likes these that constantly have gone for no yards this seems like a very bad call. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Shakir ran that too casually and too flat. Drew the corner directly to him. He didn’t run it 100%. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 It was a great tackle by the Jags player but Shawkir is probably the least physical of the Bills Offensive players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 4 hours ago, buffblue said: Has anyone had a good look at the replay? It seemed live that Allen had Shakir open immediately but didn't see it, then soft balled the throw when he did target him. Seemed similar to a play with Harty earlier in the year. I know it didn't impact the result in the end, but is Allen picking up on sure fire opportunities in the red zone too late? Another comparison would be the McKenzie dirt throw in Miami last year (though exhaustion likely played a factor there). Not intending this to be a critical post of Allen, who I thought played well again today and was far from the problem for the Bills. I'm watching on TV yelling throw it, but agree he waited to long. People are pointing to the drop by Cook, Unless there was another one, I recall the one early in the game and that was one of these where he's like 5 yards away from Allen, barely turned his head and Allen is firing a fastball at him. And blaming him for the drop?? A couple weeks back there was a similar one, think it was to Knox. Too often Allen isn't giving the receiver a fair shot to catch it on these 5 yard passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 4 hours ago, buffblue said: Has anyone had a good look at the replay? It seemed live that Allen had Shakir open immediately but didn't see it, then soft balled the throw when he did target him. Seemed similar to a play with Harty earlier in the year. He lobbed it out there thinking Shakir had a easy stroll into the endzone and wanted to make sure of the catch is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Why did we have a designed play to the last player on our depth chart on a 2 point conversion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 41 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Why did we have a designed play to the last player on our depth chart on a 2 point conversion? They’ll never see it coming! - Dorsey, probably, even though throwing to Diggs literally every play is the superior play to everything he has ever cooked up in his silly little brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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