The Wiz Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: At least the Chiefs have an excuse of trying to re-tool their team after two Super Bowl wins. What's our excuse? Considering we restructured our three biggest contracts in the offseason, presumably that was a signal that Beane was pushing the chips in. The more I think about it, the more it blows my mind that he didn't find a way to fit Hopkins in. I highly doubt that if Hopkins said "yea, let's do it" that Beane wouldn't have worked every penny out to get him on the team. The chiefs also have a cap hit for their top 3 (Mahomes, Kelce and Jones) that equal our top 7 this year (Allen, Diggs, Von, Morse, Hyde, Poyer, Johnson). The problem is next year when we are going to need to re-tool and wont have the room to do it. Hopkins 16m next year wouldn't fit even if they wanted it to. Better off drafting guys instead of signing a guy for 2 years and then having to deal with the cap hit in 2024. Edited December 11, 2023 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Who told you to shut up about dropped passes haha? It was a figure of speech. There were a bunch of people that were like "stop whining about drops everyone has drops." It didn't matter that we had an abnormal amount of drops. I don't remember who the posters were and I don't care to because I don't "keep and check my receipts." I just remember what was said. I agree we have better players than KC this year and I've said it before. However, Diggs has been in a funk of drops and Davis still drops a lot of balls and disappears from games completely. It's not like we are worldly better than them. Miami, Bengals, and a bunch of other teams have way better than we do. We have Diggs when he is on, Cook when we use him, a rookie Kincaid, and a bunch of role players. I know for a fact that Allen has elevated players in the past. Is Mahomes elevating his guys? Mahomes is great but this is the first season he has dealt with any diversity at all. Its showing in his outburst yesterday. Edited December 12, 2023 by Scott7975 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 On 12/1/2023 at 6:14 PM, BullBuchanan said: Tua will probably drop another 3-4TDs this week and leave Allen even further in the dust in every other category. Tua added a whopping 0 TDs to his "best AFC East QB" campaign tonight. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Tua added a whopping 0 TDs to his "best AFC East QB" campaign tonight. Here lies the grave of Tuas MVP campaign. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Instead all they talk about is the off sides call that was 1000% legit. Oh and Allens int but nevermind Mahomes int. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 12, 2023 Author Share Posted December 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Instead all they talk about is the off sides call that was 1000% legit. Oh and Allens int but nevermind Mahomes int. Pretty ***** ridiculous, isn't it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Instead all they talk about is the off sides call that was 1000% legit. Oh and Allens int but nevermind Mahomes int. The Offside call stuff pisses me off, Mahomes said it's because it's such an amazing play, well it's a ***** illegal pick play by Toney so maybe not that amazing besides what happened after Kelce got the ball. But even then the reason defenders were scrambling to get to him was because they the guy covering him was trying to catch back up after getting blocked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 He's gone 9 straight games with an INT and atop the turnover charts again. Unless he can string together multiple games without a turnover & win out, he's not going to be in the MVP conversation. People can get mad about it, but that's just the reality, especially with a 7-6 team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 28 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Tua added a whopping 0 TDs to his "best AFC East QB" campaign tonight. Only because the Miami Dolphins' MVP missed two quarters with an ankle injury. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, BigDingus said: He's gone 9 straight games with an INT and atop the turnover charts again. Unless he can string together multiple games without a turnover & win out, he's not going to be in the MVP conversation. People can get mad about it, but that's just the reality, especially with a 7-6 team. Tua added another fumble lost today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 15 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Tua added another fumble lost today. Two actually. He’s up to 16 turnovers on the season. Josh has 17. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 12, 2023 Author Share Posted December 12, 2023 19 minutes ago, BigDingus said: He's gone 9 straight games with an INT and atop the turnover charts again. Unless he can string together multiple games without a turnover & win out, he's not going to be in the MVP conversation. People can get mad about it, but that's just the reality, especially with a 7-6 team. Don't know if he needs to do this. He's way ahead in total TDs in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said: Don't know if he needs to do this. He's way ahead in total TDs in the NFL. Agree. He beats Dak heads up, and leads this team to 11-6 and divisional win, he’ll be right up there with anyone else in the conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Don't know if he needs to do this. He's way ahead in total TDs in the NFL. For me he don't. I don't think he does to win a superbowl either. For MVP voting I think he does. Them guys are all about stats, wins, and seed. I wish it was more than that because Allen IMO should have an MVP by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Don't know if he needs to do this. He's way ahead in total TDs in the NFL. I mean that’s what I don’t understand. Josh produces as QB1 and RB1 every year… it’s insane he’s not the MVP. Not that this matters league wide, but he’s like 4th on the all-time Bills list in touchdowns from scrimmage. It’s kind of wild. Praying to God things go right… he can end up our all time passing TD and scrimmage TD leader lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: I mean that’s what I don’t understand. Josh produces as QB1 and RB1 every year… it’s insane he’s not the MVP. Not that this matters league wide, but he’s like 4th on the all-time Bills list in touchdowns from scrimmage. It’s kind of wild. Praying to God things go right… he can end up our all time passing TD and scrimmage TD leader lol Our? If things go right he’s going to end up the NFL scrimmage TD leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 12, 2023 Author Share Posted December 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Two actually. He’s up to 16 turnovers on the season. Josh has 17. Tua has 24 TDs and 16 turnovers. Josh has 35 TDs and 17 turnovers. Josh has the turnover problem, though. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, mrags said: Our? If things go right he’s going to end up the NFL scrimmage TD leader It’ll be hard for him to get to 207 rushing TDs haha Just now, transplantbillsfan said: Tua has 24 TDs and 16 turnovers. Josh has 35 TDs and 17 turnovers. Josh has the turnover problem, though. Mahomes has 23 TDs and 13 turnovers Hurts has 31 TDs and 15 turnovers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: It’ll be hard for him to get to 207 rushing TDs haha Mahomes has 23 TDs and 13 turnovers Hurts has 31 TDs and 15 turnovers I thought you meant all time TD record. yes. He will absolutely break Thomas’ Bills record for TDs. And he’ll definitely top Kelly as well. He’s likely going to finish #3 in rushing yards also 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 1 minute ago, mrags said: I thought you meant all time TD record. yes. He will absolutely break Thomas’ Bills record for TDs. And he’ll definitely top Kelly as well. Ah yeah, I see why how it was phrased was confusing. He can set the NFL record for total TD. Absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: Ah yeah, I see why how it was phrased was confusing. He can set the NFL record for total TD. Absolutely. I have been trying to look for it and can’t find it anywhere. It’s not like an official stat so not easy to find it. I’d imagine it’s Brady, or Manning. But Josh should be on pace to break that with like 5 years less considering all his rushing TDs. Assuming he stays fairly healthy and doesn’t drop off too bad. imo after his career is all said and done he may go down as the best to ever play the game. Certainly in the conversation. And statistically you’ll be able to argue it easily. I think record keeping for overall TDs will be a thing because of Josh. Let’s just hope he gets at least 1 ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 11 minutes ago, mrags said: I have been trying to look for it and can’t find it anywhere. It’s not like an official stat so not easy to find it. I’d imagine it’s Brady, or Manning. But Josh should be on pace to break that with like 5 years less considering all his rushing TDs. Assuming he stays fairly healthy and doesn’t drop off too bad. imo after his career is all said and done he may go down as the best to ever play the game. Certainly in the conversation. And statistically you’ll be able to argue it easily. I think record keeping for overall TDs will be a thing because of Josh. Let’s just hope he gets at least 1 ring. this has most total tds. Brady leads by a mile with 677. Brees is next with 597 https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/what-quarterback-is-scored-the-most-total-touchdowns-in-their-career 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 I will say it again: Hill should be the MVP. Dolphins Offense looked terrible while he was out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stonada Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 If we beat Dallas and Josh outplays Dak without a turnover, he is back in the conversation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 5 hours ago, dma0034 said: I will say it again: Hill should be the MVP. Dolphins Offense looked terrible while he was out Doesn’t work that way. We’ve been through this argument before. By that argument, Payton Manning should have got the MVP the year he was injured in the Broncos. Hill would need to legit have 2,000+ yards and probably 18 or more TDs. If you’re looking for a non WB to be MVP it would likely be CMC but he better have the same stat line. At least 2,000 yards and 18 or more TDs. Josh is going to finish with close to 50 combined TDs and that’s probably going to be 10 more than anyone in the league. By rights he should get it. If we make the playoffs he will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 8 hours ago, Scott7975 said: this has most total tds. Brady leads by a mile with 677. Brees is next with 597 https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/what-quarterback-is-scored-the-most-total-touchdowns-in-their-career If he plays 18 years at this rate he’ll be at 633. Pretty darn close. An extra few each year or a massive monster season gets him there. It’s a lot. Brady played for so damn long. I have no doubts he’ll be #2 thought if he plays long enough and healthy enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 13, 2023 Author Share Posted December 13, 2023 Total yards leader in NFL = Josh Allen Total TD leader in NFL = Josh Allen I haven't looked this up... but have the winners of both those stats EVER lost NFL MVP???? yet.... Up to #5: AP MVP Winner Dak Prescott +150 Brock Purdy +175 Lamar Jackson +600 Jalen Hurts +800 Josh Allen +1400 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Only way this happens: Beat Dak Beat Hill/Tua again Beat Mahomes ✔️ That’s a 4-1 record vs the MVP front runners. Dominate LAC & NE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Told y'all Purdy would be MVP or MVP Jr behind Josh...no you all said, he's a pretender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Told y'all Purdy would be MVP or MVP Jr behind Josh...no you all said, he's a pretender. I mean just like Tua is trash without Hill, Purdy hasnt been good without Deebo. 49ers are loaded with talent. Miami has some talent and are loaded with speed. These aren't QBs that really elevate their team. Their team kinda elevates them. I shouldn't say trash but... they are mid without all that talent. JMO. Edited December 13, 2023 by Scott7975 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: I mean just like Tua is trash without Hill, Purdy hasnt been good without Deebo. 49ers are loaded with talent. Miami has some talent and are loaded with speed. These aren't QBs that really elevate their team. Their team kinda elevates them. I shouldn't say trash but... they are mid without all that talent. JMO. Yes Tua is trash...Purdy a top 2 QB in this league, all he needs is McCaffrey and Kittle to catch his perfect balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 31 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Yes Tua is trash...Purdy a top 2 QB in this league, all he needs is McCaffrey and Kittle to catch his perfect balls. Except every game with Deebo out huh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 So jealous Brock surrounding cast is so much better than Josh has, it’s amazingly better Tua without 46 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: These aren't QBs that really elevate their team. Their team kinda elevates them. I shouldn't say trash but... they are mid without all that talent. JMO. Yes. I think Patty and Josh elevate their teams. These other guys, not the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Just now, Since1981 said: So jealous Brock surrounding cast is so much better than Josh has, it’s amazingly better Tua without Yes. I think Patty and Josh elevate their teams. These other guys, not the same. Yeah I am pretty jealous of that. Look at Cinci too. They are doing better right now than with Burrow. Beane needs to get one of these WR in the draft. I know we need some defensive reload but building this offense is a must. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Total yards leader in NFL = Josh Allen Total TD leader in NFL = Josh Allen I haven't looked this up... but have the winners of both those stats EVER lost NFL MVP???? yet.... Up to #5: AP MVP Winner Dak Prescott +150 Brock Purdy +175 Lamar Jackson +600 Jalen Hurts +800 Josh Allen +1400 Good questions. My guess is yes. Drew Brees had a pretty amazing three year run where he posted 40+ TD's in three consecutive years. He may have lead the league in both categories one or two of those years. Drew Brees, despite amazing numbers most of his career with the Saints, never won a league MVP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Total yards leader in NFL = Josh Allen Total TD leader in NFL = Josh Allen I haven't looked this up... but have the winners of both those stats EVER lost NFL MVP???? Drew Brees did in fact achieve this in 2012 with 44 total TDs (1 rushing) and 5,182 yards, of which a grand total of 5 yards were from rushing. In 2008 he lead the NFL in total yards and tied with Phillip Rivers for total TDs at 34 2011 was his best season with 5,562 total yards (first in the league and the season record until Mahomes broke it last year i think) and 47 total TD's (second in the league) with a 110 passer rating and 82 QBR. But Rodgers won the MVP with 48 total TD's, one more than Brees and a passer rating and QBR of 122 and 83 respectively. Allen so far is having a very Drew Brees like career with the monster numbers, no league MVP's and limited team success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Narrative is swinging back now everyone sees him putting it on the line and his back buffalo wins out he may be up there against Purdy but I think Brock is playing out of his mind josh does something like 4-0 and like 15 total tds more which is very easy for him to do he will be a contender for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Total yards leader in NFL = Josh Allen Total TD leader in NFL = Josh Allen I haven't looked this up... but have the winners of both those stats EVER lost NFL MVP???? yet.... Up to #5: AP MVP Winner Dak Prescott +150 Brock Purdy +175 Lamar Jackson +600 Jalen Hurts +800 Josh Allen +1400 That's how I throw too Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) The reality is that MVP doesn't mean "Most Valuable Player". It means "the player with great stats and a bunch of wins" How can someone account for 85% of the teams total TDs and not be the most valuable. (and 9 of Hurts's TD's were 1 yard tush pushes). Edited December 13, 2023 by The Wiz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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