UConn James Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Can I just ask… what the heck is with Torrence stabbing / tomahawk chopping the air a second before the snap? That is incredibly annoying to see on-screen and had me worried about false starts through the game… but… it’s allowed? Didn’t notice that in the preseason games. It kinda gives away the snap count. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, UConn James said: Can I just ask… what the heck is with Torrence stabbing / tomahawk chopping the air a second before the snap? That is incredibly annoying to see on-screen and had me worried about false starts through the game… but… it’s allowed? Didn’t notice that in the preseason games. It kinda gives away the snap count. He is signaling to the center to snap the ball. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, UConn James said: Can I just ask… what the heck is with Torrence stabbing / tomahawk chopping the air a second before the snap? That is incredibly annoying to see on-screen and had me worried about false starts through the game… but… it’s allowed? Didn’t notice that in the preseason games. It kinda gives away the snap count. This is pretty common around the league and in football. The center has a tougher job presnap, often helping the QB direct traffic and setting protections. Giving the snap count responsibility to the guard allows for them to focus more on the actual snap being on target, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 Bernard is the freaking man! He is like a young Milano! Two-headed monster! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelius Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 We can talk about Bernard etc, but by far the most impactful of all is Torrence. This guy is a rookie and plays like an All-Pro. He has totally anchored the right side of the line both run and pass-wise and is well beyond his years with football understanding. He’s never physically overwhelmed thus far and has been a rock, always communicating etc. he makes the entire right side better. Kudos to him. Totally steal of a pick. 1 5 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 On 9/9/2023 at 1:37 PM, ScottLaw said: No, Im suggesting they ***** up with a wasted pick in Bernard based on what we’ve seen…. But he was a McD pick and a 3rd rounder at hat so they are forcing the issue. Yikes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 On 9/9/2023 at 3:37 PM, ScottLaw said: No, Im suggesting they ***** up with a wasted pick in Bernard based on what we’ve seen…. But he was a McD pick and a 3rd rounder at hat so they are forcing the issue. Hey thanks @Sierra Foothills - I was looking for this post 😆 You were saying @ScottLaw? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 19 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Hey thanks @Sierra Foothills - I was looking for this post 😆 You were saying @ScottLaw? Scott law is very “offensive weapons “ focused when it comes to the draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Scott law is very “offensive weapons “ focused when it comes to the draft And OL focused. He realizes the importance of blocking. From my experience reading Scott’s posts, I would best describe his feelings as: the bills have invested too much into the defense and the defense always fails us in the playoffs (he’s not wrong). We have Josh Allen, so stop investing so much into the D and give Josh what he needs to become the best he can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Just now, NewEra said: And OL focused. He realizes the importance of blocking. From my experience reading Scott’s posts, I would best describe his feelings as: the bills have invested too much into the defense and the defense always fails us in the playoffs (he’s not wrong). We have Josh Allen, so stop investing so much into the D and give Josh what he needs to become the best he can be. I don’t necessarily agree that he is as focussed about the OL part..I can’t recall him pushing any OL pick .. Personally I think they have way under invested in OL in the draft…so if I am selling him short here then I will give him an apology… I can’t argue about the D line though … they have over invested … 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I don’t necessarily agree that he is as focussed about the OL part..I can’t recall him pushing any OL pick .. Personally I think they have way under invested in OL in the draft…so if I am selling him short here then I will give him an apology… I can’t argue about the D line though … they have over invested … I meant playmaker AND OL focused. Invest in offense over defense. Whatever can help Josh become even better 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 On 9/9/2023 at 12:37 PM, ScottLaw said: No, Im suggesting they ***** up with a wasted pick in Bernard based on what we’ve seen…. But he was a McD pick and a 3rd rounder at hat so they are forcing the issue. Just thought I’d Bump this You’re welcome 1 hour ago, NewEra said: And OL focused. He realizes the importance of blocking. From my experience reading Scott’s posts, I would best describe his feelings as: the bills have invested too much into the defense and the defense always fails us in the playoffs (he’s not wrong). We have Josh Allen, so stop investing so much into the D and give Josh what he needs to become the best he can be. So then everyone must be happy with the way we drafted this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 7 hours ago, Aurelius said: We can talk about Bernard etc, but by far the most impactful of all is Torrence. This guy is a rookie and plays like an All-Pro. He has totally anchored the right side of the line both run and pass-wise and is well beyond his years with football understanding. He’s never physically overwhelmed thus far and has been a rock, always communicating etc. he makes the entire right side better. Kudos to him. Totally steal of a pick. Remember when people actually thought it might be sensible to play career backup Ryan Bates over him because he "wasn't terrible last season?" Fun times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 On 9/9/2023 at 12:37 PM, ScottLaw said: No, Im suggesting they ***** up with a wasted pick in Bernard based on what we’ve seen…. But he was a McD pick and a 3rd rounder at hat so they are forcing the issue. This aged well 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 4 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Just thought I’d Bump this You’re welcome So then everyone must be happy with the way we drafted this year Idk, I was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Remember when people actually thought it might be sensible to play career backup Ryan Bates over him because he "wasn't terrible last season?" Fun times. Time has a tendency to march on and change perspective. It really wasn't that long ago that a few very wise and sensible posters here would have passed on Torrence all together because they were skeptical about his fit here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 6 hours ago, NewEra said: And OL focused. He realizes the importance of blocking. From my experience reading Scott’s posts, I would best describe his feelings as: the bills have invested too much into the defense and the defense always fails us in the playoffs (he’s not wrong). We have Josh Allen, so stop investing so much into the D and give Josh what he needs to become the best he can be. That frame of mind is cool and all, but he makes snap judgements on players like Bernard with zero data to back up what he's saying. Dude had played one game lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Remember when people actually thought it might be sensible to play career backup Ryan Bates over him because he "wasn't terrible last season?" Fun times. I’m definitely the biggest Ryan Bates supporter here. My defense of Bates was mostly based on the criticism he was receiving. He can start on most OLs. If cut tomorrow he’d be signed and starting somewhere else immediately. That said, Torrence is obviously a superior talent and player. A future all pro OG. He’ll likely be doing it next to Ryan Bates in a year or 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I’m definitely the biggest Ryan Bates supporter here. My defense of Bates was mostly based on the criticism he was receiving. He can start on most OLs. If cut tomorrow he’d be signed and starting somewhere else immediately. That said, Torrence is obviously a superior talent and player. A future all pro OG. He’ll likely be doing it next to Ryan Bates in a year or 2. Yeah, I see Bates as the starting center next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 6 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: I don’t necessarily agree that he is as focussed about the OL part..I can’t recall him pushing any OL pick .. Personally I think they have way under invested in OL in the draft…so if I am selling him short here then I will give him an apology… I can’t argue about the D line though … they have over invested … they have. if we look at the line now, new contract dawkins (since mcbean took over), FA signing Mcgovern, FA signing Morse, Pick O'hamstrings, pick brown. im still shell shocked from brown's glass back year last season, but what we are seeing out there right now is mcbean getting the horses and spending the resources perhaps later than i'd like, but still spending them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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