Straight Hucklebuck Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: They of course do not understand our cap situation. As another poster mentioned, a trade that makes the most sense would be an in-season trade. Taylor needs to prove he has it still coming off the injury and a team needs to start off well and evaluate that indeed, a dominant RB is the missing piece. None of it makes any sense. Why these sports shows pretend its 1973 and the power run game is what wins Super Bowls I'll never know. Colts want a 1st for Taylor. They won't get that. But even if it's two 2nd Round picks. Now that kind of investment means that Taylor has to touch the ball 250+ times in your offense, when we know running the ball doesn't win Super Bowls - Nick Chubb, Derrick Henry, Dalvin Cook and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 24 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: None of it makes any sense. Why these sports shows pretend its 1973 and the power run game is what wins Super Bowls I'll never know. Colts want a 1st for Taylor. They won't get that. But even if it's two 2nd Round picks. Now that kind of investment means that Taylor has to touch the ball 250+ times in your offense, when we know running the ball doesn't win Super Bowls - Nick Chubb, Derrick Henry, Dalvin Cook and so on. Those guys you mentioned didn't have a QB named Josh Allen on their roster. We're not saying running the football win Super Bowls, but with Taylor and Allen it would keep defenses on their heels. Cincinnati wasn't worried about Motor beating them in last year's playoff game. They'll have that worry with JT28 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 I was listening to 1 Bills Live, Browny & Tasker (mostly Tasker) was saying how Taylor isn't worth the money he's wanting . I for one totally disagree with all the so called "Experts" about how the running game isn't as significant a piece of the Championship puzzle as it once was . I will agree that these players aren't used as much as they were because having a passing league is much more pleasing to the NFL pallet & its fans but talents like Saquon, Taylor, Jacobs, McCaffery are special . Can any of us imagine what the Bills offense would look like if they would have gotten McCaffery last season or if they would insert any of these guys in there today ? I think just with the upgrades the Bills have made this season there will be a notable up tick in the run game production but any of these players the run game would be nearly unstoppable !! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, T master said: I was listening to 1 Bills Live, Browny & Tasker (mostly Tasker) was saying how Taylor isn't worth the money he's wanting . I for one totally disagree with all the so called "Experts" about how the running game isn't as significant a piece of the Championship puzzle as it once was . I will agree that these players aren't used as much as they were because having a passing league is much more pleasing to the NFL pallet & its fans but talents like Saquon, Taylor, Jacobs, McCaffery are special . Can any of us imagine what the Bills offense would look like if they would have gotten McCaffery last season or if they would insert any of these guys in there today ? I think just with the upgrades the Bills have made this season there will be a notable up tick in the run game production but any of these players the run game would be nearly unstoppable !! How many rings does your list of special RB's have? Adding Taylor and the contract he desires makes zero sense for this team. Maybe a team like CHI with a QB still on a rookie deal looking to take that next step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: None of it makes any sense. Why these sports shows pretend its 1973 and the power run game is what wins Super Bowls I'll never know. Colts want a 1st for Taylor. They won't get that. But even if it's two 2nd Round picks. Now that kind of investment means that Taylor has to touch the ball 250+ times in your offense, when we know running the ball doesn't win Super Bowls - Nick Chubb, Derrick Henry, Dalvin Cook and so on. if you have a respectable qb, a run is conceding the down in many cases. You don’t take the ball away from a top ten guy if possible. Which leaves great backs with meh quarterbacks 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 15 minutes ago, T master said: I was listening to 1 Bills Live, Browny & Tasker (mostly Tasker) was saying how Taylor isn't worth the money he's wanting . I for one totally disagree with all the so called "Experts" about how the running game isn't as significant a piece of the Championship puzzle as it once was . I will agree that these players aren't used as much as they were because having a passing league is much more pleasing to the NFL pallet & its fans but talents like Saquon, Taylor, Jacobs, McCaffery are special . Can any of us imagine what the Bills offense would look like if they would have gotten McCaffery last season or if they would insert any of these guys in there today ? I think just with the upgrades the Bills have made this season there will be a notable up tick in the run game production but any of these players the run game would be nearly unstoppable !! counter: a big part of mccaffery is his role in the passing game. As a bell cow 300 carry down hill runner I’m not doing backflips for him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 I really don't understand the media fascination with the Bills adding all these big name RB's. Yes there are still a lot of question marks around Cook and this teams ability to run the football consistently as a whole. But I think if Beane were to finally go ' all in' that's going to be to fill one of the current gaping holes with a true difference maker (i.e. MLB). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said: Those guys you mentioned didn't have a QB named Josh Allen on their roster. We're not saying running the football win Super Bowls, but with Taylor and Allen it would keep defenses on their heels. Cincinnati wasn't worried about Motor beating them in last year's playoff game. They'll have that worry with JT28 But of course Taylor wants money, which means the team that is trading for him must hand over draft assets and the extension. To justify the extension, the offense must give him the ball 250+ times a year. That's 15 carries a game if he plays all 17. We've just seen this too many times with running backs where that path ends. But I do think there is merit to one aspect of this. And that is this franchise has never won a Super Bowl. So is some respects, just going for it demonstrates the understanding that this city, fanbase, and organization is desperate to win it all. Edited August 23, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, SWATeam said: How many rings does your list of special RB's have? Adding Taylor and the contract he desires makes zero sense for this team. Maybe a team like CHI with a QB still on a rookie deal looking to take that next step. Every one is entitled to their own opinion . Personally that's why i think these $500 million contracts that QB's get are IMHO a bit out of line because just like the salary cap when these contracts go into effect it severely limits other areas on the team that could also be of help . What would the 90's Bills look like with out Thurman ? Yes they didn't win a SB but would the Cowboys have won 2 with out Emmit ? What would the Rams had been like with out Mashal Faulk ? Just saying ... 7 minutes ago, NoSaint said: counter: a big part of mccaffery is his role in the passing game. As a bell cow 300 carry down hill runner I’m not doing backflips for him. No he's not a 300 carry back but he is relevant as far as his role weather it's in the run game or the passing game . And a good player is a good player & can be used in a game plan to make it harder for opponents & can make a difference as far as getting to a championship . But that's just me i guess ... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Taylor and Shaq package deal would solve a lot of problems. I really like Taylor. His runner up a hill was Harvard. Dude wants to get paid and rbs have to force the issue. He would be an an absolute monster here next to Allen and Cook would be deadly as a change up. but there’s 0 percent chance of this happening though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, T master said: Every one is entitled to their own opinion . Personally that's why i think these $500 million contracts that QB's get are IMHO a bit out of line because just like the salary cap when these contracts go into effect it severely limits other areas on the team that could also be of help . What would the 90's Bills look like with out Thurman ? Yes they didn't win a SB but would the Cowboys have won 2 with out Emmit ? What would the Rams had been like with out Mashal Faulk ? Just saying ... No he's not a 300 carry back but he is relevant as far as his role weather it's in the run game or the passing game . And a good player is a good player & can be used in a game plan to make it harder for opponents & can make a difference as far as getting to a championship . But that's just me i guess ... When your examples are from 30 years ago, you’re kinda proving that these guys aren’t that valuable anymore. In a league without a salary cap, sure, pay a superstar RB. In reality, there’s a bunch of positions that are just more valuable. I would even say above average pass rushers, QB’s, CB’s and LT’s are more valuable than the cream of the crop RB’s. Edited August 23, 2023 by FireChans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Maybe if Buffalo could get Indianapolis to include Zach Moss in a trade along with Jonathon Taylor they could bet Indianapolis to lower the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Man, Taylor is thee prototypical runningback. He has everything. I think his injury setbacks will not project as a career definer. He really is the perfect back in the NFL. If you can meet the price, he can absolutely help take a team to the Super Bowl as a difference maker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: But of course Taylor wants money, which means the team that is trading for him must hand over draft assets and the extension. To justify the extension, the offense must give him the ball 250+ times a year. That's 15 carries a game if he plays all 17. We've just seen this too many times with running backs where that path ends. But I do think there is merit to one aspect of this. And that is this franchise has never won a Super Bowl. So is some respects, just going for it demonstrates the understanding that this city, fanbase, and organization is desperate to win it all. I think a SB ring would justify the extension!! Carries be damned!! 3 hours ago, SWATeam said: How many rings does your list of special RB's have? Adding Taylor and the contract he desires makes zero sense for this team. Maybe a team like CHI with a QB still on a rookie deal looking to take that next step. Ask yourself how many special RBs had great QBs? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Ask yourself how many special RBs had great QBs? Why might that be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyo321 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 (edited) Package up Epenesa, Cook and Murray and dangle it in front of the Colts and get this Guy on this team. We get him on this team and there is no stopping this team all the way to a SB. Edited August 23, 2023 by Toyo321 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 I will say in the last 2 seasons weve seen a bit of an uptick (albeit from an all time low) in RB's being relevant. The league is always trying to counter trends. Were seeing more nickel and dime defenses then ever, the Brandon Spikes LB'er is extinct, and it seems like LB'er cores are getting smaller and faster, to account for heavy passing league. NE last year and Indy/TN/CLE the year before are two teams that had major emphasis on the run game. I wont claim to know if that trend continues to grow. I do remember 2 years ago not wanting to draw one of Indy/TN/Cle in wild card because of exactly this..... just food for thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 Elam and a 3... what say you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 The article yesterday based on a pod cast with Donte Whitney espousing how we are in the hunt or have an interest in Tayler is just a guy out of the spotlight, trying to get back into it. We have no $, and we already have 3 RB’s who can get the job done. I can see Murray as the compliment to Cook in the beginning while Harris heals up with his leg issue. Then insert Harris for the bulk of the season allowing Murray to rest as we’ll need him for December and the playoffs. We already pass 67% of the time, and the league avg us around 60%. We may want to float down to the low 60’s to ease Allen from feeling we have to pass on every play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted August 23, 2023 Share Posted August 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, rayray808 said: Elam and a 3... what say you? I say yes! Colts say no! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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