Warriorspikes51 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said: exactly. Sauce is the young CB media darling, that's why. Sauce is very good, but slightly overrated because he does get away with a crazy amount of holding and PI. Baffling that it’s never called 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 9 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Sauce is very good, but slightly overrated because he does get away with a crazy amount of holding and PI. Baffling that it’s never called Is it tho? I’m expecting lots of favorable calls for the Jets. Rodgers debut, 9/11, offseason hype, knocking off a division rival? Sounds perfect for the NFL storyline 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Sauce is very good, but slightly overrated because he does get away with a crazy amount of holding and PI. Baffling that it’s never called What’s baffling is no opposing Coach calls it out publicly. Personally, I’d be looking for every microphone I could find to complain about it. Put public pressure on the refs. Edited September 1, 2023 by CSBill 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 15 minutes ago, CSBill said: What’s baffling is no opposing Coach calls it out publicly. Personally, I’d be looking for every microphone I could find to complain about it. Put put public pressure on the refs. I'd like to see McDermott somehow plant a seed with the NFL beforehand but I don't think he's the type to do that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 17 minutes ago, CSBill said: What’s baffling is no opposing Coach calls it out publicly. Personally, I’d be looking for every microphone I could find to complain about it. Put put public pressure on the refs. Then you would first get fined then eventually suspended for doing such a thing. Not allowed to publicly call out the refs. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 40 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Sauce is very good, but slightly overrated because he does get away with a crazy amount of holding and PI. Baffling that it’s never called New England should have drafted him. They could save a fortune on bribes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k2mountain Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Sauce gets away with what he can because he has a cool first name. Little does the world know, we have a CB changing his name to Gravy Elam. He will be unstoppable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 minute ago, k2mountain said: Sauce gets away with what he can because he has a cool first name. Little does the world know, we have a CB changing his name to Gravy Elam. He will be unstoppable. Yung Gravy Elam 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 (edited) 45 minutes ago, CSBill said: What’s baffling is no opposing Coach calls it out publicly. Personally, I’d be looking for every microphone I could find to complain about it. Put put public pressure on the refs. I could be mistaken, but I believe McDermott and other coaches have alluded to the NFL fining them for criticizing the refs. At best, the coach will be fined, at worst, the coach will be fined AND the team will draw extra scrutiny from the league and from the refs. I believe the teams ARE allowed to send film to the league and question certain observations, or to raise issues about a pattern they believe they observe. Edited August 31, 2023 by Beck Water 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Sauce is very good, but slightly overrated because he does get away with a crazy amount of holding and PI. Baffling that it’s never called Like the legion of boom, do it til it’s called and then keep doing it until they show they are willing to call it multiple times. 51 minutes ago, CSBill said: What’s baffling is no opposing Coach calls it out publicly. Personally, I’d be looking for every microphone I could find to complain about it. Put put public pressure on the refs. it’s a fine line before you end up catching extra judgement calls against you because you are disliked. look how the nfl treated the saints after Sean Payton repeatedly called them out. Highest differential in the league on PI and holding calls called for vs against for several years. Just drastically out of line. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 14 minutes ago, Beck Water said: I could be mistaken, but I believe McDermott and other coaches have alluded to the NFL fining them for criticizing the refs. At best, the coach will be fined, at worst, the coach will be fined AND the team will draw extra scrutiny from the league and from the refs. I believe the teams ARE allowed to send film to the league and question certain observations, or to raise issues about a pattern they believe they observe. Right. There's a difference between calling out the refs by name and taking it up with the league (competition committee). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 2 hours ago, Dr. Who said: What's worse, you know that if Elam is on the field doing the exact same thing, the flag is coming out every time. Right? They’re basically the same player except for the officiating. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 14 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Like the legion of boom, do it til it’s called and then keep doing it until they show they are willing to call it multiple times. it’s a fine line before you end up catching extra judgement calls against you because you are disliked. look how the nfl treated the saints after Sean Payton repeatedly called them out. Highest differential in the league on PI and holding calls called for vs against for several years. Just drastically out of line. Another example: Jerry Hughes. After he went into the tunnel just fuming and going off about the refs that one time, the word was soon out that you could grab Jerry Hughes with both hands (and probably your teeth, as long as you didn't leave marks) and it would make no difference. No holding was ever called, no hands to the face, nothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Another example: Jerry Hughes. After he went into the tunnel just fuming and going off about the refs that one time, the word was soon out that you could grab Jerry Hughes with both hands (and probably your teeth, as long as you didn't leave marks) and it would make no difference. No holding was ever called, no hands to the face, nothing. yup. You have to thread the needle of not being a pushover but not embarrassing anyone publicly either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 2 hours ago, BuffaninSarasota said: Yung Gravy Elam Look out! You thought Zach Wilson was bad.......hid your moms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Billl said: Right? They’re basically the same player except for the officiating. I think that’s a bit of a stretch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 4 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: Then you would first get fined then eventually suspended for doing such a thing. Not allowed to publicly call out the refs. irony of a pats fan posting this. Have they needed to call out refs? 3 hours ago, NoSaint said: yup. You have to thread the needle of not being a pushover but not embarrassing anyone publicly either. exactly. Something like, “he is a great young player, but he tends to get over grabby, and sometimes he has gotten lucky, but eventually that catches up to you”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 2 hours ago, RyanC883 said: irony of a pats fan posting this. Have they needed to call out refs? Yes. Come out here and get the envelope with money. IMO when zebra is deliberately ignoring calls the zebra becomes part of opposition and using zebra as shield forcing opposition to go thru zebra to tackle is valid strategy. Same with comments like "Just give it to them" when ball carrier did not reach 1st down marker. Owner needs to support team being vocal about it as Ralph was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, BuffaninSarasota said: exactly. Sauce is the young CB media darling, that's why. The funny thing about sauce Gardener every time I watch a clip of him he’s holding and nobody’s talking about it. It makes me question my own eyes why are not people saying that he’s getting Handsy Meanwhile, people are losing their ***** at Khair Elam for doing the exact same damn thing Edited September 1, 2023 by John from Riverside 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 10 hours ago, CSBill said: What’s baffling is no opposing Coach calls it out publicly. Personally, I’d be looking for every microphone I could find to complain about it. Put put public pressure on the refs. They would be fined, thats why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Scott7975 said: They would be fined, thats why. And some fines are well worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, CSBill said: What’s baffling is no opposing Coach calls it out publicly. Personally, I’d be looking for every microphone I could find to complain about it. Put public pressure on the refs. If you feel they are doing a bad job, would putting more pressure on them really make them perform better? There is a metric ton of accountability for the officials. I officiated at the D3 level and even there, the amount of film reviews and critiques with your position supervisor was mind blowing. I can't imagine the hours and critique the NFL officials get for every little move. Edited September 1, 2023 by PetermansRedemption Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 15 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: Is it tho? I’m expecting lots of favorable calls for the Jets. Rodgers debut, 9/11, offseason hype, knocking off a division rival? Sounds perfect for the NFL storyline ya this scares me.. 7 hours ago, John from Riverside said: The funny thing about sauce Gardener every time I watch a clip of him he’s holding and nobody’s talking about it. It makes me question my own eyes why are not people saying that he’s getting Handsy Meanwhile, people are losing their ***** at Khair Elam for doing the exact same damn thing It's sooo frustrating, very similar plays too. Hope they keep it fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 15 hours ago, k2mountain said: Sauce gets away with what he can because he has a cool first name. Little does the world know, we have a CB changing his name to Gravy Elam. He will be unstoppable. Hollandaise Elam has a nice ring to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 I am sensing his frustration too He can't blame the Packers anymore so his finger pointing choices are limited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 15 hours ago, BuffaninSarasota said: Yung Gravy Elam Cream of sum yung Elam Cream for short Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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