Ed Oliver big extension

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:

I think this tells us a few things:

 

1.  Since it looks like Oliver's currently the 11th best paid defensive tackle in the league, with a few guys who will come off their rookie contracts who will pass him in the next year or two, it means the Bills didn't overpay for him. 

He's currently the 16th highest paid DT at 15.75m a year.  He'll be 18th after Wilkins and Williams gets their deal.  It's about where he should be imo.  My biggest concern is he gets lazy Dareus style but McBeane know his work habits much better than we do.

Edited June 4 by Doc Brown

[Buffalo_Stampede]

25 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said:

This year I’m the least excited I’ve been about the Bills since the EJ Manuel days…

Why? They’re better than last year. The roster is much better.

Edited June 4 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, Bongo said:

Here are my thoughts. These and a cup of coffee will get you a cup of coffee. I also don’t profess to watch “film”.

 

That said, and disclaimers over, I think Ed is a very talented DT. The best in the league? Probably not. Hasn’t shown it yet. But this contract isn’t for the best. A tweet earlier said it was for 16th best which will quickly become 18th best. Then 20th best as more get their extensions. That starts to feel right. 
 

Add on to that (and here I’m really using my gut feelings or gas; still haven’t decided) that Ed is likely viewed as our most talented  DT and he likely gets the attention commensurate with that from opposing O lines. 
 

Now you would hope that he could transcend that attention on a more regular basis like a Chris Jones. They must feel he has the ability to up his game coupled with him being paid as an almost great player which he qualifies for. Let’s hope he transitions to all pro great and out performs the contract. But for now, getting paid as the 16th best DT isn’t a travesty, it’s just sticker shock. 

 

This is an excellent post and I would only add to it that the fact that's he's well-respected by all his brothers and coaches is a decisive factor as well.

 

 

[MJS]

36 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said:

This year I’m the least excited I’ve been about the Bills since the EJ Manuel days…

That's a you problem, not a Bills problem.

[GoBills808]

16 minutes ago, Bongo said:

Here are my thoughts. These and a cup of coffee will get you a cup of coffee. I also don’t profess to watch “film”.

 

That said, and disclaimers over, I think Ed is a very talented DT. The best in the league? Probably not. Hasn’t shown it yet. But this contract isn’t for the best. A tweet earlier said it was for 16th best which will quickly become 18th best. Then 20th best as more get their extensions. That starts to feel right. 
 

Add on to that (and here I’m really using my gut feelings or gas; still haven’t decided) that Ed is likely viewed as our most talented  DT and he likely gets the attention commensurate with that from opposing O lines. 
 

Now you would hope that he could transcend that attention on a more regular basis like a Chris Jones. They must feel he has the ability to up his game coupled with him being paid as an almost great player which he qualifies for. Let’s hope he transitions to all pro great and out performs the contract. But for now, getting paid as the 16th best DT isn’t a travesty, it’s just sticker shock. 

11th I believe 

[Special K]

51 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said:

This year I’m the least excited I’ve been about the Bills since the EJ Manuel days…

[PBF81]

25 minutes ago, Simon said:

This is an excellent post and I would only add to it that the fact that's he's well-respected by all his brothers and coaches is a decisive factor as well.

 

At the end of the day this signing does not improve the team.  It merely adds to the cost of the status quo insofar as Oliver goes.  

 

All offseason people were complaining that it DL and DTs aren't good enough.  So what's changed?  Nothing but the price.

 

Thats's a fact.  

 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

4 hours ago, bearstobills said:

Clueless take.  It really is.  Who has he overrated and signed?  I'll wait. 

 

2017 He signed Milano, Tredavious, and Dawkins to extensions (and those were guys he did not draft)

2018 He signed Josh Allen, Taron Johnson, and Siran Neal to extensions

2019 Ed Oliver signed

 

So who has he overrated and paid??  Ed doesn't count because you're suggesting a pattern. I'm still waiting. 

I'm guessing he was thinking of Daryl Williams, Star, and maybe Quinton Spain.   All of these were guys that got big money contracts from Beane and then flamed out, but of course none of them were drafted by Beane.  

[John from Riverside]

57 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said:

This year I’m the least excited I’ve been about the Bills since the EJ Manuel days…

🤓

[ndirish1978]

27 pages of vitriol before the contract details are out? Feels like we've learned nothing. 

[muppy]

4 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Yeah, I don’t know that yet. Oliver was injured quite a bit this last year.

One thing I have learned from this thread is the variety and types plural of injuries he has had nagging. What this tells me is his physical health is a point of contention moving forward . I mean it indeed is with all pro athletes vitally important that they be available to play in games. And effectiveness can be hampered when not playing 100%. 

 

I am sure he will be receiving the best training and preparation possible to be a Force for our DL.  WE all have to hope he can remain healthy.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, muppy said:

One thing I have learned from this thread is the variety and types plural of injuries he has had nagging. What this tells me is his physical health is a point of contention moving forward . I mean it indeed is with all pro athletes vitally important that they be available to play in games. And effectiveness can be hampered when not playing 100%. 

 

I am sure he will be receiving the best training and preparation possible to be a Force for our DL.  WE all have to hope he can remain healthy.

I think it just shows that we fans are just fans and don’t know everything about the team
 

To me, everything was pointing to Oliver on his way out. He hadn’t given the production to warrant his draft pick, and he had been injured this last two years.

 

But the bills didn’t feel that way

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I don't see it.  Looks like an overspend just like Star.  Could have easily been replaced with a day 2 draft pick next year.  

Hated the pick.  He's done nothing to change my mind, and now I hate the extension.

All we can do now is hope he stays healthy and puts up 8-10 sacks this year with McD calling the plays.  

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Simon said:

The only time he's invisible is when he's hurt, which is my only real concern about this  extension.

 

Yeah but Ed Oliver is hurt A LOT.

 

A LOT A LOT.

 

This despite being a heavily rotated DT who is playing just 570 snaps per year compared to say......Jeffery Simmons......who is being asked to play 870 snaps per year.

 

Simmons projects to earn about $27,000 per snap on his 4 year $94M deal.........Ed Oliver at $17M projects to $30,000 per snap.

 

And of course when Simmons is playing hurt he's still very impactful because he's a full sized DT while Ed is greatly diminished due to his lack of size/length.

 

So on paper it's a bad deal.   They still gotta' fill an extra 150-300 snaps that teams with other highly paid DT's do not expect to have to.  

 

But hopefully Ed learns how to take care of himself better and play smarter.    

[pigpen65]

Excellent news. Edmunds gone and Oliver and Poyer retained. Thank God Beane is the type to watch the games and not just look at stats like the fantasy football geeks

[wppete]

Great extension. I think it will end up being a deal for a premium position similar to Tre Whites contract. Still 25 years old and the best is to come for Oliver. 

[PrimeTime101]

48 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

This thread has been hilarious and Mike Catalana showing off his Drew Bledsoe "Donahoe Clown Suit" road jersey just added to it. 

I agree lol

6 hours ago, Simon said:

Fun fact:

Last year there were only 5 DTs in the NFL that had more Tackles for Loss per game than Ed Oliver.

But please keep telling us how awful he is and that you never see him make any plays.

It's funny because it just shows how little you actually see. 

in 13 games.. well 12.3 cause he went out early in one lol 

 

 

Lots of horrible narratives... "But i am the one that is wrong most times and just this one stuck"

 

its just laughable. But you know what? its good to see a mod in a thread that helps keep the thread clean for the most party. thanks  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I think it just shows that we fans are just fans and don’t know everything about the team
 

To me, everything was pointing to Oliver on his way out. He hadn’t given the production to warrant his draft pick, and he had been injured this last two years.

 

But the bills didn’t feel that way

We may be fans but we aren't completely uniformed either. Remember this is the same management team that signed a guy that quit at half time and drafted and played the worst QB in NFL history. They are not geniuses.  Oh yeah its the same guys that traded Teller.  They make mistakes all the time.  

We've watched Oliver play for four years.  We knew he was undersized coming out of college and shocking he has battled injuries(pectoral, calf, ankle).  He has a total of 14.5 sacks in 4 years.  I think most on here agreed with picking up the 5th year guarantee. That made sense. I think most were happy to see him play on the last year of his deal hoping he would really ball out.  Now he is an overpaid injury prone undersized DT that we hope can live up to they hype coming out college. 

[bearstobills]

27 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

🤓

What on Earth would make you say that?  Is it the strategic free agent signings?  The high level draft picks? Coming off a 3 loss season?  The return of a Hall of Fame pass rusher? Another year with a top 3 quarterback?

 

I mean, you are using your precious time on Earth on a Bills fan site.  And you took the time to post, so clearly you care about the team.  Just wondering what about this year seems so foreboding that you bring up the EJ years?

2 minutes ago, bearstobills said:

What on Earth would make you say that?  Is it the strategic free agent signings?  The high level draft picks? Coming off a 3 loss season?  The return of a Hall of Fame pass rusher? Another year with a top 3 quarterback?

 

I mean, you are using your precious time on Earth on a Bills fan site.  And you took the time to post, so clearly you care about the team.  Just wondering what about this year seems so foreboding that you bring up the EJ years?

Sorry, I was responding to this guy....

1 hour ago, Bills!Win! said:

This year I’m the least excited I’ve been about the Bills since the EJ Manuel days…

[NoSaint]

12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Yeah but Ed Oliver is hurt A LOT.

 

A LOT A LOT.

 

This despite being a heavily rotated DT who is playing just 570 snaps per year compared to say......Jeffery Simmons......who is being asked to play 870 snaps per year.

 

Simmons projects to earn about $27,000 per snap on his 4 year $94M deal.........Ed Oliver at $17M projects to $30,000 per snap.

 

And of course when Simmons is playing hurt he's still very impactful because he's a full sized DT while Ed is greatly diminished due to his lack of size/length.

 

So on paper it's a bad deal.   They still gotta' fill an extra 150-300 snaps that teams with other highly paid DT's do not expect to have to.  

 

But hopefully Ed learns how to take care of himself better and play smarter.    

post of the thread. 
 

I hope the he plays up to it, but it’s a pretty hefty pay day for the role he plays, and no promise he suddenly stays healthy. 
 

if I could put out that kind of outlay anywhere I want, it’s not the spot I’d go with.