Hopkins released by Arizona (7/16: signed by Titans)

[Warriorspikes51]

7 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Same.

 

There is a reason why he only got a 1 year deal last season and was available in June of this off-season.

 

No problem having him on the team and i’m sure he can contribute, but let’s not pretend he is some prize.

 

This administration has a tendency of signing players after their prime when they have lost a lot of their juice that made them special. Guys like Emmanuel Sanders, Vernon Butler, Mario Addison, etc.

Floyd signed a 4 year 64 mil extension with the Rams in 2021..... he was released because they are rebuilding and wanted cap space

[Gregg]

7 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Same.

 

There is a reason why he only got a 1 year deal last season and was available in June of this off-season.

 

No problem having him on the team and i’m sure he can contribute, but let’s not pretend he is some prize.

 

This administration has a tendency of signing players after their prime when they have lost a lot of their juice that made them special. Guys like Emmanuel Sanders, Vernon Butler, Mario Addison, etc.

 

Good point. I don't think anyone expects a Bruce Smith level of production, but it is still a good signing especially with Von still rehabbing.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Could be a sneaky signing. I believe edge was a need Beane wanted filled. Now the roster is complete. Now is when they can try and search for cap for a “luxury” signing. Hopkins would be a luxury signing.

[Warriorspikes51]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Could be a sneaky signing. I believe edge was a need Beane wanted filled. Now the roster is complete. Now is when they can try and search for cap for a “luxury” signing. Hopkins would be a luxury signing.

 

The Roster is complete when we win the Super Bowl. Until then, Beane should be and is looking to get better in any way possible

[nucci]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Could be a sneaky signing. I believe edge was a need Beane wanted filled. Now the roster is complete. Now is when they can try and search for cap for a “luxury” signing. Hopkins would be a luxury signing.

what would be sneaky about it?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, nucci said:

what would be sneaky about it?

I don’t think people believe he’s an option anymore.

Just now, Einstein said:

 

That was several years ago.

He signed a 1 year deal last season and no-one picked him up until June of this off-season.

 

There is a reason why.

Same with Hopkins that no one wants to listen to.

 

Floyd isn’t going to fix a pass rush. He’s a complimentary piece.

[nucci]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I don’t think people believe he’s an option anymore.

 

but it's very public so it wouldn't be sneaky

[boyst]

59 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Much rather Hopkins than Floyd. No question. 

Floyd has 237 sacks last week. How many did Hopkins have?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Much rather Hopkins than Floyd. No question. 

Ok.
 

Gabe Davis and Kincaid vs Hopkins

 

Shaq Lawson, AJ Epenesa, Boogie Basham vs Floyd

 

It’s not even close.

Edited June 5, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[wppete]

21 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Ok.
 

Gabe Davis and Kincaid vs Hopkins

 

Shaq Lawson, AJ Epenesa, Boogie Basham vs Floyd

 

It’s not even close.

I’ll take Gabe Davis and Kincaid over Hopkins all day. 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, wppete said:

I’ll take Gabe Davis and Kincaid over Hopkins all day. 

you mean wrt to their salaries or just you think davis+a rookie is better than deandre hopkins

 

 

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Much rather Hopkins than Floyd. No question. 

 

I agree Scott, but I have felt all along that Beane could mange to sign one of the last remaining edge rushers AND Hopkins if he executed all of the necessary restructures. Floyd doesn't change that calculation for me. I am assuming that like anyone signed this late in the offseason his cap number will be reasonably low. In other words I don't believe that signing Floyd prevents us from signing Hopkins. Getting another legit edge rusher in the room was 100% necessary IMO.

5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

call me skeptical a rookie TE will be the difference maker for an offense that struggled to get the other TE involved last season. 

 

I think Kincaid will have an immediate impact. Don't think of him as a TE. Think of him as Cole Beasley plus. He played in a pro offense at Utah and will be 24 when the season starts. I don't expect much of a ramp up period. Plus Allen specifically wanted him. I am confident he will look to throw him the ball.

[billsfan89]

15 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

We’ll see. Def agree another pass rusher was a need… I figured they would be fine without another one assuming Von comes back healthy and some progression from AJE/Rousseau while adding Hopkins… but if they can get both then yea. Home run. 

 

I had a vet pass rusher as one of the pieces that the Bills needed (and could get) on defense. Von is likely going to start on the PUP so having a guy like Floyd who can can add a bit of punch to the pass rush in Von's absence was a nice add. I see 3-4 holes on the roster. WR, swing tackle and MLB. Adding D-Hop would fill the WR need and hopefully, they can find a swing tackle so Dawkins has an actual backup on the roster. MLB is likely not going to be filled but I can live with Klein and the younger players, if a cheap vet is there to kick the tires on why not?

[TheBrownBear]

53 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The teams success rides a hell of a lot more on the offense than it does the defense.

 

Bills offensive skill set doesn’t match up with the perceived top dogs of the conference IMO… and I like Kincaid… call me skeptical a rookie TE will be the difference maker for an offense that struggled to get the other TE involved last season. 
 

My point is I’d much rather take my chances with the defense without Floyd(who is a good player)while having an offense with Hopkins opposite Diggs…. But McBeane priorities don’t surprise me. 

The Bengals game was a mess - no arguing that.  But didn't we still have a top 2 or 3 overall offense while playing in one of the better defensive divisions in football?  We scored at will in the 2021 playoffs and where did that get us? (don't get me wrong - i love scoring at will)

[Mikie2times]

1 hour ago, nucci said:

but it's very public so it wouldn't be sneaky

Way to sneak that in

[HappyDays]

It seems like the best chance for us to get Hopkins is for him to go unsigned long enough that he realizes he isn't going to get the contract he wants. It feels like a slim chance at this point though, unfortunately.

[billsfan89]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

Not worried about MLB. Agree WR and RT are the teams most significant holes. 

 

The Bills depth need along the O-line is LT in my opinion. I love Dawkins but if he got hurt who the hell is his backup? Doyle was never that great and is coming off a torn ACL. Queese, Snell and Brown are all RT's. I don't mind McBeane brining back Queese he is a solid vet backup and can flex around a bit and Snell was some nice competition for Brown, but why is there not a contingency for Dawkins on the roster?

 

If the Bills can add a true decent swing tackle and Hopkins they will have done all they can do in terms of roster building. 

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

I agree Scott, but I have felt all along that Beane could mange to sign one of the last remaining edge rushers AND Hopkins if he executed all of the necessary restructures. Floyd doesn't change that calculation for me. I am assuming that like anyone signed this late in the offseason his cap number will be reasonably low. In other words I don't believe that signing Floyd prevents us from signing Hopkins. Getting another legit edge rusher in the room was 100% necessary IMO.

 

I think Kincaid will have an immediate impact. Don't think of him as a TE. Think of him as Cole Beasley plus. He played in a pro offense at Utah and will be 24 when the season starts. I don't expect much of a ramp up period. Plus Allen specifically wanted him. I am confident he will look to throw him the ball.

Kincaid hasn't proven anything against NFL caliber DBs/LBs. Much rather have a known commodity with all the 1 year deals 

[Warriorspikes51]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

It seems like the best chance for us to get Hopkins is for him to go unsigned long enough that he realizes he isn't going to get the contract he wants. It feels like a slim chance at this point though, unfortunately.

That overly dramatic Tweet by Wawrow reminds me of his infamous antics on here announcing his departure.

I'll be rooting for Hopkins more than ever. Would love to see Beane put Johnny 🤡 in his place  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

 

[Warriorspikes51]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

 

Clearly Beane would like to sign him.  It would be great if both sides compromise a bit 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Clearly Beane would like to sign him.  It would be great if both sides compromise a bit 

Sounds like the Bills have a number in mind but Hopkins would have to compromise. My guess is it’s mostly incentive laden.

Edited June 5, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[SWATeam]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

“And we’d rather give that money to a pass rusher” 

LOL, still banging that drum Huh???  You miss the rest of the offseason with the heavy emphasis on offense?

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

“And we’d rather give that money to a pass rusher” 

 

Floyd's signing may not limit them much... let's say he signed for 2.5 mil. 
We had around 2 mil in space before Oliver was extended
His extension clears anywhere from 4-7 million
 

We may have 5+ mil in space with Floyd, before restructuring Tre or Dion which gets us over 10 mil in space

[wppete]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

you mean wrt to their salaries or just you think davis+a rookie is better than deandre hopkins

 

 

Davis and Kincaid are better than Hopkins. Plus the $$$$ factor plays a huge role… 

 

Its more like Davis + Kincaid + Leonard Floyd = Hopkins salary. 

[GoBills808]

8 minutes ago, wppete said:

Davis and Kincaid are better than Hopkins. Plus the $$$$ factor plays a huge role… 

 

Its more like Davis + Kincaid + Leonard Floyd = Hopkins salary. 

Agree to disagree there

[HappyDays]

 

[John from Riverside]

19 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

“And we’d rather give that money to a pass rusher” 

I don’t know why this is so hard to understand
 

DeAndre Hopkins would cost more than what the bills have to give

 

And I’ll likely our new edge rusher took the money that we had available

 

They could’ve just paint it and roll it over in the next year. Would you have been happier with that?

[Punching Bag]

23 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

LOL, still banging that drum Huh???  You miss the rest of the offseason with the heavy emphasis on offense?

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

27 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

“And we’d rather give that money to a pass rusher” 

As he should.

[Punching Bag]

7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I don’t know why this is so hard to understand
 

DeAndre Hopkins would cost more than what the bills have to give

 

And I’ll likely our new edge rusher took the money that we had available

 

They could’ve just paint it and roll it over in the next year. Would you have been happier with that?

 

It is not hard to understand.  It does not fit with what he is pushing.

[Solomon Grundy]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

It seems like the best chance for us to get Hopkins is for him to go unsigned long enough that he realizes he isn't going to get the contract he wants. It feels like a slim chance at this point though, unfortunately.

Did anyone hear the Pat McAfee show today? I'm hearing that Beane said the ship is still in port for signing DHop. Anybody else hear this?

[BananaB]

42 minutes ago, wppete said:

Davis and Kincaid are better than Hopkins. Plus the $$$$ factor plays a huge role… 

 

It’s more like Davis + Kincaid + Leonard Floyd = Hopkins salary. 

Hopkins and Kincaid are better than Davis and Kincaid…Not my money. If it gets us a Super Bowl the money will never be questioned 

[BuffaloBillyG]

30 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Ok, so I watched the interview and have a few thoughts. Some factual and some I speculate based off what we know and what makes sense.

 

1.(Fact) Been reported that Buffalo was granted and had talks with DHop prior to his release. 

 

2. (Speculation) After being released I would figure Beane touches base again to see where he's at and what he's looking for now that he's a FA.

 

3. (Fact) Beane was presented a golden opportunity to shoot down the rumors that he's in negotiations with DHop. He didn't do that. Now, this could be that he wants to give the allusion to other teams that he's lurking...could also be because he is in fact negotiating.

 

Summary of thought: I believe that Beane has an offer sheet to DHop and his agent basically saying "This is what we can do. We know it's lower than hoped, but shop around and see what you can find. If you find what you want..good. You deserve it. If not, this offer is on the table....give us a call".

[Warriorspikes51]

14 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Did anyone hear the Pat McAfee show today? I'm hearing that Beane said the ship is still in port for signing DHop. Anybody else hear this?

I hope Beane did the interview just to trigger Johnny Wawrow

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Bills can created about $5 million in cap space by extending DaQuan Jones. I think that’s the next move by Beane.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Yea. Disagree. 

I think the glaring and more difference making hole on this team is at WR2… It seems McBeane disagree… they have been wrong before you know…. But maybe I’m wrong and they still have room to bring in Hopkins. 

How do you rank most important positions?

 

They drafted a first round pass catcher.

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

10 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Yea. Disagree. 

I think the glaring and more difference making hole on this team is at WR2… It seems McBeane disagree… they have been wrong before you know…. But maybe I’m wrong and they still have room to bring in Hopkins. 

There are a ton of ways to win in the NFL. Last year the Chiefs won a SB with their WR2 being who, exactly? The year before sure the Rams had OBJ and Kupp...but lost OBJ. Who stepped into the WR2 then? Look at the complete chit show the Giants had at WR last year...still made a run in the playoffs...WITH DANIEL FREAKING JONES at QB.

 

Davis meets the production threshold of a logical WR2. Doesn't mean he is good to go. Needs to step up and improve still. Consistency, reliability and durability all need work.

 

In the event Diggs misses time the pressure, however isn't on Davis to suddenly become Diggs. The pressure is on Dorsey to use the WR room he has, the RB room they worked on and the 2 weapons at TE. 

 

I've seen the point in another thread about Ed Oliver needing a good 3T to maximize his usefulness. A lot of people there make the point that if he was that good he wouldn't need the help of someone else to elevate him. So, borrowing that logic...how much help does Josh Allen actually need to elevate him? If we need Pro Bowl caliber players at ever skill position to get him to elevate...do we then have a Josh Allen problem? 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

There are a ton of ways to win in the NFL. Last year the Chiefs won a SB with their WR2 being who, exactly? The year before sure the Rams had OBJ and Kupp...but lost OBJ. Who stepped into the WR2 then? Look at the complete chit show the Giants had at WR last year...still made a run in the playoffs...WITH DANIEL FREAKING JONES at QB.

 

Davis meets the production threshold of a logical WR2. Doesn't mean he is good to go. Needs to step up and improve still. Consistency, reliability and durability all need work.

 

In the event Diggs misses time the pressure, however isn't on Davis to suddenly become Diggs. The pressure is on Dorsey to use the WR room he has, the RB room they worked on and the 2 weapons at TE. 

 

I've seen the point in another thread about Ed Oliver needing a good 3T to maximize his usefulness. A lot of people there make the point that if he was that good he wouldn't need the help of someone else to elevate him. So, borrowing that logic...how much help does Josh Allen actually need to elevate him? If we need Pro Bowl caliber players at ever skill position to get him to elevate...do we then have a Josh Allen problem? 

Oliver is a 3T … he needs a good 1T next to him 

[HappyDays]

8 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

how much help does Josh Allen actually need to elevate him? If we need Pro Bowl caliber players at ever skill position to get him to elevate...do we then have a Josh Allen problem? 

 

Mahomes had two players that were among the best at their position on his offense (Kelce and Humphrey), and a top 2 play caller. Allen had one player like that and a rookie play caller. Is it so much to ask for the help given to Allen to be at least equivalent to the help given to Mahomes?